Gunsmithing off center reciever holes

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  • Apr 3, 2009
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    Sorry if this is a stupid question but, Is there anyway to repair off center receiver holes? I've got a rifle that takes almost 25 MOA of windage to just boresight it. I still have about 30 MOA left in windage adjustment.

    When I place a straight edge along the egw base you can see it pointing off to the right of the barrel.

    Should I just leave it or is that much mis alignment need to be fixed??
     
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    The holes were already opened up to for 10-32 screws, can it still be repaired or are new holes and a custom base in order???
     
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    Holland makes a windage adjustable P-rail base. I don't know what the screw holes in it are cut for off the shelf, but that might be another route for you since the holes are already opened up in your receiver.
     
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    <span style="text-decoration: line-through">Do you have a link to the adjustable base?? </span> Nevermind just found it! Looks interesting enough. Though I would probably like a full pic rail to mount my aci on.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Frogman77</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The holes were already opened up to for 10-32 screws, can it still be repaired or are new holes and a custom base in order??? </div></div>

    was it this way before the holes were opened up? either way, who ever opened them up, should have corrected the issue, not just followed existing holes with a flexible drill bit. personally, at this point, i'd talk to the smith that opened the holes up. with the holes at 10-32 and that far out of line, it is going to take some serious work to correct the issue properly.

    edit: you are sure the straight edge is pointing off the side of the barrel when held against the rail, not the barrel pointing the opposite way?
     
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    I don't know if it was like this before the receiver holes were opened up or not. This is how I received it. I'm replacing the picatinny rail and after mounting my scope this is what I found.

    For reasons I won't mention here, I'm not dealing with this particular gunsmith anymore.

    When place the straight edge along the right side of the rail, there is a gap between the barrel and it points to the right.

    When I place the straight edge along the left side of the rail there is no visible gap and the point ends up closer toward the center of the barrel.

    The same holds true when I place the straight edge along the side of the screws in the receiver without the base.

    How would I determine if the barrel is pointing in the opposite way as oppossed to the rail?? The barrel appears centered in the stock. How would I check the barrel alignment?
     
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    holes are big enough that you could probably plug them and re-drill correctly.

    Are you sure it is the receiver holes that are misaligned or is the barrel not mounted correctly? It could be both but best have it checked out.

    Jim
     
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    I recently had the barrel set back due to excessive headspace...I suppose it's possible that the barrel might not be mounted correctly. But the action has been trued and before the rifle was sent back to me it was shooting .25-.5moa at 100yards (so I am told). I don't know if that means the barrel could or couldn't be crooked.

    I will try to the straight edge along the receiver later today...

    I guess it's also possible that my EGW base might not be in spec as well???

     
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    ok update. I removed the bedding from th base to get back to square one...

    If I torque down only the rear screws, the base lines up and the straight edge tracks down the center of the barrel.

    the front to screws don't line up, just enough that if I torque the front screws I can see the base move to the right...

    so I'm thinking that either my receiver holes are off, or the holes that were drilled in the base were off....or by some freak accident the egw base is off and the holes are drilled down the center of the base but it's in spec...

    I just can't figure it which....the holes in the base "look" like they're centered, but the guy that opened them up did it in a drill press....I'm pretty sure there are better ways to do it, but I'm not a smith by any means... or...the holes are just off....

    now to figure out how to fix this.
     
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    First, ditch the EGW base, go with s Seekins Precision base. Second, have someone who knows what they are doing bed the base to your action. That just might do the trick.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Frogman77</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
    I just can't figure it which....the holes in the base "look" like they're centered, but the guy that opened them up did it in a drill press....I'm pretty sure there are better ways to do it, but I'm not a smith by any means... or...the holes are just off. </div></div>

    If I read you correctly, the holes on the base were re-drilled to fit the larger screws--and done so not by a smith, but by some guy with a drill press. Are they really 10-32, or 8-40? I'd start there...

    Respectfully, I disagree with the need to ditch the EGW. Although not my first choice, when $$$ is an issue, the EGW for $40 works out just fine.
     
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    i would have never done the deal with an action with #10 screws in them wow that is overkill but you have to deal with what you have you could have the EGW base you have sloted at the front to allow the screws to alighn with the action and not pull the base sideways then bed under the base without pressure on the front screws just the rear ones holding it true after the bedding compound has cured tighten the front screws it should be fine and wont cost a lot to fix.
     
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    The receiver holes were opened up by a smith....part of the reason why I am not going back to this smith. I would have thought that he would have aligned them when he opened them up.. Wild bill, I thought about doing that as well, but wasn't sure if the front screws would loosen under recoil or not..

    The other option is to have my machinist redrill new holes centered and make a custom base which is almost 400.00. for that much I can get a new action!

    Not sure if it's worth it yet if I can get this to work without any problems...

    it takes me 7 mils to boresight and leaves me roughly 10 mills left in windage adjustment.

    I'm sure could probably get zerod and still be ok, but it still bugs me that the receiver holes are off...

    well, lesson learned, use good smiths.
     
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    If you do like Wild Bill suggests and bed in Devcon steel, it isn't going to move anywhere under recoil. You'll need propane torch heat to remove it, but it won't hurt the action or base at the temp it takes to soften the Devcon for removal. JMHO
     
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    Thanks for all the input guys, I've opened up the front to holes just enough that when torqued down they don't make any movement in the base anymore. I'll bed the rail and see what happens tomorrow.

    Thank you again for everyone's replies...looks like the next build just might be a custom action
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Frogman77</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
    Thank you again for everyone's replies...looks like the next build just might be a custom action
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    or let someone that has some clue about what they are doing work on a remington 700.
     
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    I have the same problem w/ a $2k H S Precision HTR. I have about 8 moa's left in one directon. I have been debating on sending it back to HS. It is a fantastic shooter, shoots 1/2 moa easy. I have used it at the 1000 yd match in Sacramento. Shooter and rifle are okay to 600 yds, but because I suck at 800 to 1000 I really have'nt had an issue w/ the mounting holes being off.I explained the sitution to rep at HS Precision via email, he said compensate w/ the mil dots, I have yet to try though....
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ThudF105d</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have the same problem w/ a $2k H S Precision HTR. I have about 8 moa's left in one directon. I have been debating on sending it back to HS. It is a fantastic shooter, shoots 1/2 moa easy. I have used it at the 1000 yd match in Sacramento. Shooter and rifle are okay to 600 yds, but because I suck at 800 to 1000 I really have'nt had an issue w/ the mounting holes being off.I explained the sitution to rep at HS Precision via email, he said compensate w/ the mil dots, I have yet to try though.... </div></div>

    i thought i heard that story before, maybe you told it here. are you saying you only have 8 moa windage available in one direction once zeroed? if so, that is bad, real bad, especially if you have a decent scope with lots of adjustment. compensating with you reticle for a fucked up rifle is not the correct answer. i have an hs precision htr and it is flawless. i would certainly send it back to them for repair.

    i will be on the 1k range at sac valley both days this weekend. if you want to bring it out, i will see if i can eyeball where the problem is. it should be fairly obvious where the problem is if it is out that much.
     
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    Hope your problem is now fixed.

    I would've just grabbed a pair of USO windage adjustable rings myself, unless even that does not have enough adjustment to help you correct the situation. But I also would've wanted a straight mount also, to fix the root of the problem.
     
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    well, I got it down so that it only takes 13 MOA vs the 25 MOA to boresight. It's not perfect but it's definitely better than it was for sure.

     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Frogman77</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
    When I place a straight edge along the egw base you can see it pointing off to the right of the barrel.
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    I have a new 5R with a EGW base and it has the same problem. I just bought a BO base and rings which may or may not resolve my problem.

    It'll be sent to my smith if it does not and have him figure it all out for me.

    I find it hard to believe that the factory would mis-drill the base mounting holes.
     
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    I've heard of more than one factory rifle with mis aligned mounting holes. I had a savage rim fire that also had mis aligned holes. I fixed that problem with burris signature z rings..Course my problem with this rifle is from a smith that didn't open up the holes correctly.
     
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    I have repaired a number of receivers with the scope mount holes drilled off center.

    I have tried TIG welding up the holes and re drilling and re tapping. Sometimes weld metal can be hard to drill. It gets the receiver hot.

    I have tried re drilling and tapping somewhere else. This is known as "The Swiss Cheese Solution".

    These days I prefer to modify the front* Weaver mount [known as "modify the cheapest part"]:
    1) Move over the center of the concave radius on the bottom of the mount with a boring head. I use modified V blocks to hold the scope mount in the mill vise.
    2) Waller over the through hole(s) in the Weaver mount with the right sized small end mill, making the hole oblong.
    3) Waller over the countersink(s) in the Weaver mount with the right sized small end mill.
    4) Fixture the scope mount on the receiver with a scope and Weaver rings. Bore sight with a scope that has had elevation and windage adjusted to have the reticle in the center of the scope tube. Use highly viscous epoxy between mount and receiver, with release agent on the loosely screwed in screws.
    5) When epoxy hardens, remove fixture and release agent from screw and tapped holes in receiver. Toque screws to clamp the mount to receiver with Loctite 242.

    This then maintains my standards of "scope with rings swapping and still being on the paper" and "no ring lapping allowed".

    * The recoil stresses on the rear scope mounts are static, shear, and tension, but mostly only static and shear on the front mount. The wallered over hole and countersink leaves less bearing area for the screw head on the mount. The static forces are tested at installation, but the recoil tension forces are added in the field. It is best not to subject the compromised interface to the additional tension.
     
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    300 Sniper, sorry I could not make it to Sac. You are correct, I have post my HS problem before. FYI, I have tried different rings, scopes, same deal. The only thing I have not tried is removing the factory bases and having the holes measured to the bore center-line, which I can do myself, I work in a machine shop and have access to a inspection tools. Unfortunatly too many people around...