Sniper’s Hide Cup Official 2012 Sniper's Hide Cup

[Zak Smith]

Re: Official 2012 Sniper's Hide Cup

Yes. To book, please call TBAC

 

[Sendero_Man]

Re: Official 2012 Sniper's Hide Cup

just so all shooters know what wind flags look like here !

might come down and meet and greet some of you guys....

 

[LWILLIAMS]

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Scott, I know all to well. That is why I am running the 6CM and losing the brass as opposed to running a 308 and really fighting the wind. Who knows maybe we will get one of those rare calm days.

 

[Zak Smith]

Re: Official 2012 Sniper's Hide Cup

On the brass thing, it all has to do with match flow and schedule. You're going to be moving a lot, shooting from many different locations, and not hanging around where you just shot. If you can grab some of your brass at the same time you grab your sock or whatever, that's OK, but no time will be allotted for it and you should assume you might not be able to get any of it.

 

[LWILLIAMS]

Re: Official 2012 Sniper's Hide Cup

No problem on the brass here, I am making up a batch of winchester to leave on the ground and saving the lapua at home. I am a tight ass I guess.

 

[Captain Moroni]

Re: Official 2012 Sniper's Hide Cup

Is there a cartridge with a small primer that I can form to 6.5x47? I'm not totally opposed to letting it fly, I just would rather not.

 

[762frmafr]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Captain Moroni</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is there a cartridge with a small primer that I can form to 6.5x47? I'm not totally opposed to letting it fly, I just would rather not. </div></div>

No...

 

[Captain Moroni]

Re: Official 2012 Sniper's Hide Cup

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 762frmafr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Captain Moroni</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is there a cartridge with a small primer that I can form to 6.5x47? I'm not totally opposed to letting it fly, I just would rather not. </div></div>

No... </div></div>

Bummer I guess I'll try to form a few out of some .308 bass and see if it will even be worth my time

 

[762frmafr]

Re: Official 2012 Sniper's Hide Cup

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Captain Moroni</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 762frmafr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Captain Moroni</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is there a cartridge with a small primer that I can form to 6.5x47? I'm not totally opposed to letting it fly, I just would rather not. </div></div>

No... </div></div>

Bummer I guess I'll try to form a few out of some .308 bass and see if it will even be worth my time </div></div>

Is that possible? If so, you got a link to an article detailing the process?

 

[Captain Moroni]

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I'll fumble through it and post some pics. All it takes is ignorance and confidence and I have an over abundance of both.

 

[LWILLIAMS]

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Zak, how long do we have to get into the train up. I am undecided thus far and dont want to miss it if I decide to come down for it.

 

[Zak Smith]

Re: Official 2012 Sniper's Hide Cup

Until it fills up. We have plenty of room right now. Your best bet is to book a slot now and back out if you need to. No class cancellations after 3 weeks before the class.

 

[LWILLIAMS]

Re: Official 2012 Sniper's Hide Cup

What is the down payment to hold the slot or is it all up front now? Also sent you an email concerning payment for the SHC2012.

 

[Zak Smith]

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A credit card # is sufficient to hold a trainup slot.
thanks

 

[cshank]

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Anyone from Utah / Idaho planning to do the train up? I want to sign up for it, but I'd also like to carpool down.

Christian

 

[Unsichtbar]

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My shooting partner is running a rifle with 6 round magazines, would 3 magazines per stage be enough. Of course that depends I guess if he is geting his hits, but how many targets/rounds on largest stage.

 

[Zak Smith]

Re: Official 2012 Sniper's Hide Cup

I won't reveal stages before the match. But the answer is "probably." You should always come prepared; throwing rounds into the port in an emergency isn't the end of the world.

 

[Blue Line]

Re: Official 2012 Sniper's Hide Cup

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes we had a Logistics issue in Utah and moved the registration date and location so nobody was left hanging.

WY is still drivable from UT, and this location is very similar terrain wise and we believe <span style="color: #FF0000">we can actually shoot more people at the same time here</span>, plus the terrain is very diverse, I think most will enjoy this match.

The other post was a Warning Order, this is the Official Orders, we had a back up location ready and scouted it out so everything is set now. </div></div>

I wish I could go this year and wish the survivors the best. I plan to go next year if the cops don't arrest Frank for killing everyone.

 

[Zak Smith]

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Everyone's payment/slot status is now up to date as of today's mail.

Be sure to get your match fees in on time... otherwise we have plenty of people on the wait list ready to go.

thanks
-z

 

[Gnzrme]

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Zak, how soon are you going to drop people for non-payment?

 

[wayuphigh]

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I can probably help you out. You'll have to get me a job or something in return though.

 

[Zak Smith]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Zak, how soon are you going to drop people for non-payment?</div></div>
Any day now...

FYI.. The online registration process gives each person a two week window to submit payment once they have been granted a match slot (either after the initial drawing or as they transition from the wait list to a match slot if someone drops out). This due date is detailed in the email notification and on the registration page (log in using email and confirmation code - or follow link from email).

 

[baldwinjrr]

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Is this going to be a known distance match similar to Raton? If not, will laser rangefinders be permitted or will we be estimating using our scope and target size?

 

[Zak Smith]

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Range-finders are not prohibited by the published general rules. However, note that, "Final match and stage briefings supercede all prior information." You may have a variety of ranging scenarios. It will not be just like Raton.

 

[baldwinjrr]

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I see in the rules section that not all types of pistol holsters are acceptable, so how about the friction type like what is commonly used in IPSC, or a Fobus. I'm assuming a Blackhawk Serpa or thumb snap type would be okay. Can you clarify on this?

 

[Rob01]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Zak Smith</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Range-finders are not prohibited by the published general rules. However, note that, "Final match and stage briefings supercede all prior information." You may have a variety of ranging scenarios. It will not be just like Raton.</div></div>

Can we get conformation if we can bring them or not prior to the match? Just make it easier for those of us flying in to not have to pack more than is needed. If we can't use them that's fine but I don't want to pack gear that I won't use.

I would also like clarification on the Serpa drop leg holster as it doesn't have a strap over it but it's very secure and won't come out. I have used it for years at matches with no problems.

 

[Zak Smith]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can we get conformation if we can bring them or not prior to the match? </div></div>
Laser rangefinders are not prohibited by the match rules. If you think a LRF is a useful tool for long-range shooting, then it would be a good idea to bring one.

The holster rules mean exactly what they say, even if that means your favorite holster setup is not allowed.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">how about the friction type like what is commonly used in IPSC, or a Fobus. I'm assuming a Blackhawk Serpa or thumb snap type would be okay. </div></div>
For a belt holster, all it has to do is "retain the pistol during vigorous activity". If it falls out, you get either a stage or match DQ (depending if the pistol was hot or not). Your typical non-race USPSA/3Gun/IDPA holster would be fine for a belt holster, provided you haven't unscrewed the tension screw.

For a drop-leg holster of any type, it has to meet the "flap-style retention" rules as published. The Serpa and friction-retention "IPSC" holsters do not satisfy these requirements.

 

[Rob01]

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So the Serpa that clicks in and won't pop loose isn't ok but a retention strap is? Makes no sense but your ball game. I have seen those straps get popped off and pistol drop free but never had the Serpa do that.

So will the lrf be allowed at stages of fire? Simple question.

 

[Zak Smith]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
So will the lrf be allowed at stages of fire?</div></div>
"Laser rangefinders are not prohibited by the match rules."

"Final ... <span style="font-style: italic">stage briefings</span> supercede all prior information. You may have a variety of ranging scenarios."

 

[Rob01]

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Hopefully this isn't a view of how the match is going to be run. Most match directors try and help the shooters who are traveling thousands of miles go theirmatch bring the proper gear needed. Thanks for the help.

Also on the holsters, I used to run the strap top drop leg like gou want and the straps would get popped off when moving around alot during stages. I went to the Serpa leg holster because it is more secure and also allows the shooter the ease of single hand draw and reholstering more safely than fumbling with a strap that might not be snapped all the way and allow the pistol to drop out or have ghem drop their rifle trying to reholster and snap in. I am not going to go out and buy a new holster just for this match so i will make the Serpa work on my padded belt.

 

[Lowlight]

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This is not a pistol match, if the user loses a pistol during a stage they will be DQ'd so don't lose your pistol. All it has to do is touch the ground out of the holster, (or beyond retention) to include from the prone you will be DQ'd.

A SERPA is issued by the military and in my opinion, valid for use... I use a SERPA all the time.

Part of the match will use Lasers, other parts will not, bring your laser.

invented problem solved,

 

[NOMAD]

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Thanks for the straight answers and clarification Frank

See you with my issued drop leg serpa.

 

[Rob01]

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Thanks for the straight answers Frank.

 

[Zak Smith]

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Per Frank's request, I have liberalized the drop-leg holster rule.

 

[Captain Moroni]

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So a Kaluban or a G-Code on my waist is OK right?

 

[Zak Smith]

Re: Official 2012 Sniper's Hide Cup

Any holster on your belt that will retain the pistol during vigorous activity is fine. A typical IDPA/IPSC kydex holster with the tension screw cranked down a bit is fine.

Drop-thigh rigs just need to have some type of retention mechanism.

 

[Captain Moroni]

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I am trying to organize my gear and select the right carry method (waist pack/belt or a pack) and have a few questions.
How often will we be able to re-fill our water? Same for ammo?
When we show up in the morning are we going to need to have everything on us for the entire day?

I am not expecting a walk in the park but I'm hoping this wont like the 24 hour sniper challenge, just trying to prepare.

 

[Zak Smith]

Re: Official 2012 Sniper's Hide Cup

Hi,

We'll shoot in half day (or approx 3-4 hour) blocks and you can go back to your car, eat lunch, refill water/ammo, etc in between the morning and afternoon blocks. Everything you need to shoot a block of stages you'll need to bring with you.

For someone who is fit and acclimated, this match will not be a physical challenge. During a block, the "transit" distance should not exceed approx 1/2 mile. However, we will have some "assault" stages with movement that'll get your heart rate up. It will be very hot and most likely windy, so staying hydrated will be important. If "fit and acclimated" does not apply to you, I would strongly recommend starting some type of mild exercise now.

I would recommend using a small pack (eg, "3 Day Assault", "Day hike") with water, a couple snacks, and shooting stuff.

 

[Captain Moroni]

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Cool thanks Zak, Thats what I needed to know.

 

[bzinbv]

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Hey Zak: On the pistol end of things do we need to worry about making a power factor or is a 9mm as good as a .40/.45?

 

[Zak Smith]

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There is no Major/Minor power factor on handguns. 9mm is the minimum. (5.7 is not permitted.) I would not recommend using less than factory "power" 9mm, just in case we have some steel calibrated for 125 PF.

 

[Gnzrme]

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Zak,

What airlines fly into Casper? I thought I saw something about delta, but when I tried, no go... Also, payment going out next week.

 

[Zak Smith]

Re: Official 2012 Sniper's Hide Cup

It might be better to fly into Denver and rent a car.

 

[mrsquickdraw]

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Looking forward to the match Thanks for all the hard work you guys to do put it on!

 

[Neil Allen]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gnzrme</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Zak,

What airlines fly into Casper? I thought I saw something about delta, but when I tried, no go... Also, payment going out next week.</div></div>


Just did a quick search, United and Delta do both fly into Casper. Late arrivals, better come in Tuesday.

I used LAX as the Ca airport

Neil

 

[Lowlight]

Re: Official 2012 Sniper's Hide Cup

FYI,

There is an Easter Egg on the SH Facebook page showing a short video of an actual stage location,

We spent all day at the location GPS'ing the locations and going over set up for the match.


Happy Easter,

 

[Zak Smith]

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There was some movement on the wait list today.

 

[Jon Lester]

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18 of you guys need to just quit now!

 

[Shane C.]

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FYI

Knob Hill, an Oregon trail marker from 1847.

http://uwlib5.uwyo.edu/omeka/items/show/2785
http://uwlib5.uwyo.edu/omeka/items/show/2671
http://uwlib5.uwyo.edu/omeka/archive/files/7-5-00-32_307f12fbe8.jpg

 

[Lowlight]

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This is gonna be awesome, I think we spent hours talking about scoring alone, and some of the problems we see with other precision rifle matches, and how the points tend to swing from stage to stage. That is something I am looking to eliminate, so we are moving to change and simply the scoring. The key to fixing part of it, is the style of match we will be running, it really doesn't lend itself differences in scoring from stage to stage.

I think this will be warm breathe of fresh air for some. having worked matches consistently for the last few years, I am taking everything I can think of that people had issue with and working to change it so it works equally across the board for all shooters. So far we seemed to solved a few of them.