Official (DTA) SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

[mouse07410]

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dbooksta</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh ... well maybe I'm out of my financial depth here.

But is there a reason a barrel, bolt, and mag should sell for $1500+, other than the fact that they can? </div></div>

The barrel extension is the expensive part at $400. Thats kinda what unbalances the cost in my opinion.</div></div>
That, and the precision (better quality barrel blank, better quality processing, etc).

I'd like to see it cost less - but not at the cost of accuracy (no pun intended).

 

[dbooksta]

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

I'm used to paying under $400 for lapped "match-grade" stainless barrels.

Likewise, given that the action is on the chassis, I wouldn't expect additional DTA bolts to be an expensive proposition.

I haven't seen the extension: is it inherently a $400 part? Or is it a unit piece that can be milled on a lathe or 2-axis?

When I have the cash I don't mind paying for quality, but I don't like paying luxury premiums or excessive markups when a vendor chooses to over-exploit a lock on a niche.

 

[SRSDriver]

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dbooksta</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm used to paying under $400 for lapped "match-grade" stainless barrels.

Likewise, given that the action is on the chassis, I wouldn't expect additional DTA bolts to be an expensive proposition.

I haven't seen the extension: is it inherently a $400 part? Or is it a unit piece that can be milled on a lathe or 2-axis?

When I have the cash I don't mind paying for quality, but I don't like paying luxury premiums or excessive markups when a vendor chooses to over-exploit a lock on a niche. </div></div>

The extension is definitly 3 axis CNC territory, and engages with the bolt. Not something I'd risk the rest of my gun on to save a few bucks.

You only need new magazines and bolts if it's a difference case size, so you can add a .260 caliber to your .308 for the cost of the extension, a barrell, and a gunsmiths time.

Also, when you shoot out a barrel, I believe you can use the extension on the new barrel, so it's not like re-barreling is full cost.

 

[bigsky23]

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dbooksta</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm used to paying under $400 for lapped "match-grade" stainless barrels.

Likewise, given that the action is on the chassis, I wouldn't expect additional DTA bolts to be an expensive proposition.

I haven't seen the extension: is it inherently a $400 part? Or is it a unit piece that can be milled on a lathe or 2-axis?

When I have the cash I don't mind paying for quality, but I don't like paying luxury premiums or excessive markups when a <span style="color: #C0C0C0">vendor chooses to over-exploit a lock on a niche</span>. </div></div>

Lock on a niche? It's called R&D and it's not cheap pony up or move on and quit bitc*ing about vendor pricing if you can't or won't afford it don't.

 

[gstaylorg]

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

It costs a lot of money to make a quick-change barrel system that delivers the accuracy and ease of use that is found in the DTA SRS systems. The crying about the expense is getting old.

 

[JFComfort]

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

Is DTA related to DSR? I noticed the systems are very similar. The SRS looks like it evolved from the DSR. Anyone know?

 

[mouse07410]

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JFComfort</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is DTA related to DSR? I noticed the systems are very similar. The SRS looks like it evolved from the DSR. Anyone know? </div></div>
Somebody from DTA should answer this, but I've heard that Nick (the founder of DTA) saw DSR and decided to build a bullpup precision rifle that would be simpler in design & construction than DSR, easier to use & maintain, and made in USA. So he did.

 

[THUNDERBOLT68]

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

If you do the math on multiple guns it is not that expensive....
I you have three guns deck out
6.5 3500.00 + 3000.00 scope
300WSM 3,500.00 + 3000.00 scope
338 Lm 3500.00 + 3000 Scope al equal 19500.00 fpr three guns

or
DTA chassis 3000.00 + 3000.00 scope
3 conversions at average 1750.00 All equal 11,250.00

net savings 8250.00 roughly .... How is that expensive...

 

[fireguyty]

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: THUNDERBOLT68</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you do the math on multiple guns it is not that expensive....
I you have three guns deck out
6.5 3500.00 + 3000.00 scope
300WSM 3,500.00 + 3000.00 scope
338 Lm 3500.00 + 3000 Scope al equal 19500.00 fpr three guns

or
DTA chassis 3000.00 + 3000.00 scope
3 conversions at average 1750.00 All equal 11,250.00

net savings 8250.00 roughly .... How is that expensive...</div></div>

^^^^ This.

Also when you have multiple rifles, they are all slightly different. Trigger pull, LOP, ergonomics, and so on. With the DTA you have the option of multiple calibers for different uses in the same weapon that is exactly the same every time.

IMO consistency plays a major role in this game.

 

[JFComfort]

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fireguyty</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: THUNDERBOLT68</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you do the math on multiple guns it is not that expensive....
I you have three guns deck out
6.5 3500.00 + 3000.00 scope
300WSM 3,500.00 + 3000.00 scope
338 Lm 3500.00 + 3000 Scope al equal 19500.00 fpr three guns

or
DTA chassis 3000.00 + 3000.00 scope
3 conversions at average 1750.00 All equal 11,250.00

net savings 8250.00 roughly .... How is that expensive...</div></div>

^^^^ This.

Also when you have multiple rifles, they are all slightly different. Trigger pull, LOP, ergonomics, and so on. With the DTA you have the option of multiple calibers for different uses in the same weapon that is exactly the same every time.

IMO consistency plays a major role in this game. </div></div>

+1

That is a very good point. Not only are you saving money vs. 1 rifle for each caliber you wanna shoot but the ergo's don't change like they may going from rifle to rifle. I'm pretty sold on the DTA system. I think they did a great job and its easy to see its advantages.

Great shooting this weekend Ty! There were two DTA SRS's at the AZ LRPRS match in Phoenix, AZ. Ty took 1st place with his DTA SRS .308 Win.!

 

[dbooksta]

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: THUNDERBOLT68</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you do the math on multiple guns it is not that expensive....
I you have three guns deck out
6.5 3500.00 + 3000.00 scope
300WSM 3,500.00 + 3000.00 scope
338 Lm 3500.00 + 3000 Scope al equal 19500.00 fpr three guns

or
DTA chassis 3000.00 + 3000.00 scope
3 conversions at average 1750.00 All equal 11,250.00

net savings 8250.00 roughly .... How is that expensive... </div></div>

Or buy a quick-detach scope base and use the same one on each rifle. And buy $2000 rifles instead of $3500 ones.

If the financial argument is there for the DTA I think it would have to be stated in terms of one of the following:

A. You can't get a better single rifle than a DTA for less than $4500. Here are the comps....

B. You can't get a better switch-caliber rifle than a DTA for less than $3000 + $1750 per caliber: Here are the alternatives....

C. You can't get a bullpup bolt gun for any price so this is what you pay if you want one.

 

[Tucsondave]

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

I've owned 2 DTA's with 5 caliber options. As a price point argument with using one optic, one chassis, w/multiple calibers,its the hands down winner. However,variety is the spice of life and I enjoy shooting multiple platforms that have better characteristics,lighter,nicer trigger,more comfortable stock,than a DTA. But if I could have only one rifle and the ability to swap calibers,it would be a DTA. YMMV,My.02.

 

[Adam B]

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

I agree with Dave 100%, they are a great platform if you are only going to have one gun. I just couldn't get used to the ergonomics.

 

[idaho1]

Re: SRS Cerakote

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dogtown</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just wanted to share some pics of my SRS after cerakoting (Coyote Tan)...
What kind of Pod is that??

</div></div>

 

[dbooksta]

Re: SRS Cerakote

+1 -- if I get a Covert I want side-mounted pod legs! Otherwise it looks like they're either going to block your forearm or swing in front of the muzzle on the 16" bbls.

What are good side-pod options?

 

[gstaylorg]

Re: SRS Cerakote

For me, using a "regular" (non-side mount) bipod has not been an issue. Below is a side pic of my Covert with an Atlas V8 mounted very close to the trigger guard end of the rail and positioned with the legs extended and 45 degrees forward. This was done for the purpose of taking the picture only. I actually run it with the legs vertical, fully retracted (shortened), and positioned in the center of the rail. There is plenty of room to grab the foregrip. They don't swing "in front of the muzzle" per se, although the feet would get some muzzle blast if you shot it with them folded forward. Personally, I haven't yet had any reason to shoot it with the legs folded.

I probably get away with this setup in part because the muzzle brake effectively extends the barrel a little bit. Likely the brake would also provide some relief from the downward blast if you tried to run it with the legs folded.

If it's really a concern, I think you could mount a regular bipod at the front of the rail so the legs folded back and still have room to grip it with the legs folded.

 

[Dogtown]

Re: SRS Cerakote

The RND rail-mounted bipod is great, but it lacks any sort of cant or swivel support. That wasn't a concern of mine as the intent of this rifle is for shooting in the 1000-2000 yard range. However, with a Covert, you might want something with some swivel support for distances inside of 600 yards.

 

[Svartur_Skuggi]

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

I ordered my DTA and am awaiting arrival. However, I'm seeing alot of ppl selling theirs on the forum. Is there an issue about the rifle I should know about?
Seems like a waste to spent 5G+ just to take a loss so quick.
Not flaming or trying to say anything bad about the rifle or maker, just wondering what to expect once I get her in is all

 

[mouse07410]

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SvarturSkuggi</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I ordered my DTA and am awaiting arrival. However, I'm seeing alot of ppl selling theirs on the forum. Is there an issue about the rifle I should know about?</div></div>
To the best of my knowledge (and after having this rifle for more than a year), the rifle is great, and there's nothing to worry about. There is no "hidden problem".

Of course you're aware that bullpup design feels different from the conventional one, at least my AICS feels different from my SRS. I love it, and overall prefer SRS. Some people don't.

Expect nice crisp bolt movement, good trigger (though I've seen better on conventional rifles), great balance, great ergonomics, lack of adjustable cheekpiece (I manage without it, but it would be nicer if it was there), buttplate stiffer and thus less comfortable than the nice rubber on AICS, great convenience getting into any position... <span style="font-style: italic">I'll edit later if/when I come up with something else.</span>

 

[Dogtown]

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

It should be noted that the HTI ended up going into production with an adjustable cheekpiece and softer buttplate. Maybe that development will carry over into the next-gen SRS?

 

[fox5]

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

From what I saw, all the ones being sold in the forums were not of any fault of the rifle, just moving to different projects. They're all old pin style. I'm waiting to see if there are any other improvements past the ramped indexing to get a SRS.

 

[mouse07410]

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fox5</div><div class="ubbcode-body">From what I saw, all the ones being sold in the forums were not of any fault of the rifle, just moving to different projects. They're all old pin style. I'm waiting to see if there are any other improvements past the ramped indexing to get a SRS.</div></div>
Yeah, I'd love to change mine to the ramp indexing. On the other hand - the only time it matters is when you're trying to change calibers in a rush and slam/throw the barrel down the tube so it hits the indexing pin and damages it. Knowing that, I'm trying to be careful when changing calibers, and slide the barrel in gently. My pin is still perfectly fine!

And while you're waiting for an undoubtedly better version of SRS to come - you're depriving yourself of the pleasure of using it right now!

 

[ney1]

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

Guys,
We finally received the new srs caliber barrels. 260 rem, 6.5x47 Lapua, and 7wsm. The 7wsm is still waiting on new designed magazine. We did get some spare barrels above the backlog that we had but not alot of them so those with preorders get your payments in all others call to order before they are all gone.
801-975-7272.

Thanks

Nick

 

[THUNDERBOLT68]

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

When will the Mags be ready for WSM.

 

[dbooksta]

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

Now that you're running 6.5mm barrels will you be cutting chambers for 6.5 Creedmore? (After you've caught up on back-orders for the inferior variants.)

 

[ney1]

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

Likely a month or so out on the 7WSM mag but anyone that wants to get the barrel and run it in single shot mode until then we will let you.

Thanks

 

[JFComfort]

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dbooksta</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Now that you're running 6.5mm barrels will you be cutting chambers for 6.5 Creedmore? (After you've caught up on back-orders for the inferior variants.)</div></div>

Very curious about the 6.5 Creedmoor.

 

[excess]

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

Yep, I'd buy a 6.5 Creedmoor conversion kit tomorrow if you offerred it.

 

[ney1]

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

Tested the 6.5x47 Lapua and 260 conversions today for feeding and ejection and they function flawlessly for those who were concerned.

 

[THUNDERBOLT68]

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

Sr90, Why don't you guys take some of the 6.5 x 47 and ream them to 6.5 Creedmoor.

Just my opinion, but I would think the 6.5x47 would be better in 22" barrel..

 

[mouse07410]

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

sr90, one question. Am I correct assuming that 260 Remington feeds fine from 308Win magazine? And so for those who have 308Win Conversion Kit, only the barrel is necessary to add 260Rem capability to SRS?

Tnx!

 

[PSYOPS]

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yep, I'd buy a 6.5 Creedmoor conversion kit tomorrow if you offerred it.</div></div>

+1 for the Creedmoor!!!!!!!!!!

 

[SRSDriver]

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

Anyone know a dealer with the 2 magazine molle pouches in stock?

 

[ney1]

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

We have a bunch of mag pouches if you can't find them near you.

 

[ney1]

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

Thunderbolt68
We may consider this on a consecutive batch, however we have already engraved all the barrels 6.5x47 Lapua but if any customers want to make the change on this first batch when they get their barrels then more power to them.

 

[copk9]

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

HI sr90

I would like a 260 Remington conversion for my SRS also.
Are we correct that all we need is the barrel ?
IE Mags and bolts same etc.
And do u have any left ?
My SRS is a pin index .

copk9

 

[sand dog]

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

nick
still have any 260 barrels ready for delivery?

 

[Unsichtbar]

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

He has one less 6.5 x 47 as of today, this thread can get expensive to read. Thanks Nick for all your efforts,

PS I am on my second .308 barrel

 

[ney1]

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

For 260 and 6.5 x47 all you need is the barrel yes the 308 bolt and mags work.

As of yesterday we had some 260 barrels left. And we always stock both kinds of barrel extensions just let ben or mike know when you order.

 

[bribri]

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: THUNDERBOLT68</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sr90, Why don't you guys take some of the 6.5 x 47 and ream them to 6.5 Creedmoor.

Just my opinion, but I would think the 6.5x47 would be better in 22" barrel..

</div></div>

Just curious why you think the 6.5x47 would be better in a 22" barrel?

 

[bm11]

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

Guys,

Just bought a SRS from BigJoe to play around with, I bought it with the .338 and .308 conversions. Here is a question- how critical is the torque figure for the barrel extension screws? I asked because I already have a 62 in/lb Seekonk from my SCAR armorers kit, and 8 in/lbs seems "close enough" to me, but obviously I wanted to confirm.

Thanks,

-Bob

 

[ohpopo]

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

Just curious, does anyone use an Eberlestock pack with their DTA, which pack and how do you like it?

 

[THUNDERBOLT68]

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

I think that with the 6.4x47 you do not gain or loss much velocity in the 22" I have had three in 22".

 

[Palmershunter]

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

I tried it in an x1 no go but I think the gs2 with the scabbard folded up would be my choice

 

[ney1]

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

Torque setting was tested to ensure that screws would not come loose during firing strings.

 

[DeSnifter]

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ohpopo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just curious, does anyone use an Eberlestock pack with their DTA, which pack and how do you like it? </div></div>

I use a Gunslinger II with it and it works fantastic. The butt of the rifle barely goes over the top. Sticks out a half inch at most. Wouldn't know you had a full length precision rifle by the looks of it. Plenty of room inside the pack for any shooting accessories you may want to bring. I find it can be a little too much if all you are doing is bringing the SRS by itself. A simple backpack and a good sling always works too.

 

[bribri]

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: THUNDERBOLT68</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think that with the 6.4x47 you do not gain or loss much velocity in the 22" I have had three in 22". </div></div>

What kind of velocity did you get with the 22"?

I can get just a little over 2800fps with the 139 scenar with my 26"

Maybe my barrel needs a trim, shorter OAL is always better IMO.

 

[bm11]

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Th

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sr90</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Torque setting was tested to ensure that screws would not come loose during firing strings. </div></div>So 70 in/lbs is the spec and shouldn't be deviated from, got it.

 

[THUNDERBOLT68]

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Th

Does anyone have pictures of DTA with the SPUHR mount on it...

 

[SRSDriver]

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ohpopo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just curious, does anyone use an Eberlestock pack with their DTA, which pack and how do you like it? </div></div>

I use an X3, butt of stock doesn't stick up past the top of the pack. Very nice.