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Official (DTA) SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

#11,651
rydah said:
What a garbage post.
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Thank you for your contribution. Mind explaining why?
At risk of derailing the DT thread, ethics play a large role in hunting. Nevermind, shooters, and hunters attacking each other, environmentalist groups that are anti-hunting out of ignorance of conservation, generally are more vocal with the ratification of laws and regulations. Case in point ID hunting laws restrict rifles that are over 18lbs, specifically to restrict hunters from engaging game animals with large-bore rifles from extended ranges. Ethics in hunting play an important role in conservation, whether you agree with it or not.
 
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jzerfoss said:
Only a garbage person would think that not wanting an animal to suffer is a bad thing....
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come on dude

surely you’re intelligent enough to see the slippery slope here

Vegans and Greenpeace think all meat eating entails animal suffering.

arguing against hunting at arbitrary yardages is a fools errand.

Pretending you’re better than others because you draw the line at a different place is garbage
 
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#11,654
M77 said:
It's either some agree with long range hunting and some don't . You don't like it ? Then don't try and push your view on someone doing something perfectly legal and ethical.
This is the problem between "shooter's" always out to flog eachother .
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This is America last time I checked and we're allowed to push our views on anyone. Someone doesn't want to listen it's their right. Don't like the truth, I hear Canada is hiring ?‍♂️.

Nice shot
 
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#11,655
M77 said:
Give us a heads up on the A2 in terms of bolt smoothness and general running it . More or less same thing ?
Can you feel the lighter bolt throw ?
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Back on track a bit, I honestly don’t feel much of a difference between the A1 and A2 bolt, but I also haven’t put them side by side and gone back and forth.

Bolt is less smooth than a nice custom action, but certainly not an issue. Gun runs plenty smooth and fast.
 
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Andielouroo said:
Back on track a bit, I honestly don’t feel much of a difference between the A1 and A2 bolt, but I also haven’t put them side by side and gone back and forth.

Bolt is less smooth than a nice custom action, but certainly not an issue. Gun runs plenty smooth and fast.
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good to hear , not really sure how much more the bolt can be smoothed up . once worn in its actually pretty slick .
furthest ive taken game with my 300WM is 650M , hopefully crack the 1000 mark soon
 
#11,660
srt-4_uk said:
Unless you are really concerned with weight, I'd get the A1 and save a ton of money
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I picked up a used A1 chassis for like $1600 recently. Because I already had a few A2 conversions, I essentially picked up another DT rifle for $1600. If you can find a used A1 at a good price, I strongly suggest you grab it. The only reason I bought an A2 is because I got it new on sale. Both fantastic rifles, and the A2 is excellent, but the A1 is almost the same gun for cheaper.
 
#11,661
Get the A1 and save some dough unless you absolutely need to save the 1-2 lbs. Just don’t buy the A2 and put a Gen2 Razor on top of it.
I also couldn’t resist the sales on bare chassis, and I now have two A1’s. The second is a Covert for weight savings, with a Hunter profile 18” 260 barrel and pulled the monopod out of it. I may move some scopes around in the future but it has a LRHS on it now.
 
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Guys, what is a realistic and fair price for a gently used A1 chassis? (Mods, delete if not okay to ask).

I see the guy above found a used one for $1,600. Given that we paid $3,500 for a new chassis that seems like a pretty damn steep reduction.
 
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LR Junky said:
Guys, what is a realistic and fair price for a gently used A1 chassis? (Mods, delete if not okay to ask).

I see the guy above found a used one for $1,600. Given that we paid $3,500 for a new chassis that seems like a pretty damn steep reduction.
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List it with a price you think is fair, keep lowering it until it sells.
 
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Agree. A1 is fine I’ve kept mine. If 2 years ago somebody sold you an A1 at today’s prices youda thought u died and went to heaven. Only difference is today, there’s the temptation of something marginally (albeit significantly) better. If you’re a “latest and greatest” kinda guy, go A2. If you’re a deal/value seeker, A1 and don’t look back
 
#11,670
srt-4_uk said:
Marginally significantly?
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I think it depends on what matters. The weight savings is significant, but in reality, it doesn't affect the performance of the rifle, hence it's only a marginal upgrade. My A1 has barrels from ES Tactical, FireGuyTy (when he was still spinning barrels), and SAC, and a factory barrel or two. I can't tell the difference downrange because they all shoot incredibly well. I don't think going from the A1 to the A2 is going to turn them from 1/2 MOA to 1/4 MOA barrels. For me, there's no reason to go from the A1 to the A2. At least when I went from my Gen 1 to the A1, I got a cheek rest and new index point for the barrel.
 
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People need to keep in mind that the A2 price drop of $700 largely came from no longer including a $365 monopod. If you want a monopod that price drop is in reality only $335 when compared to the previous A1 chassis.

The A2 is lighter than the A1 by a good pound after taking into consideration the deletion of the monopod. If weight is a consideration the A2 is a better choice.

The A2 has a much easier to remove and less expensive hand guard when compared to the A1. It has a great trigger, but lacks some adjustability of the A2. It no longer has an adjustable creep screw or adjustable trigger shoe.

When it comes to an increase in accuracy, my Gen 2 and A1 shot quarter minute groups regularly. I wouldn't be worried about an A1 not being accurate enough.

Bolt lift and throw are indiscernible between an A1 and A2. My A1 has 10k plus rounds on it and it is significantly smoother than any factory A2 or A1 that I have played with.

A few dealers still have a little remaining A1 inventory. I believe we are down to (1) SRS A1 and (2) Covert A1 chassis left on our shelves. When dealers have gone through all their remaining A1 inventory, I personally would not be surprised to see used pricing on the A1 rebound a little.

As for the hunting comments above. Let's not let the ELR hunting ethics questions derail the thread.
 
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#11,674
secondofangle2 said:
come on dude

surely you’re intelligent enough to see the slippery slope here

Vegans and Greenpeace think all meat eating entails animal suffering.

arguing against hunting at arbitrary yardages is a fools errand.

Pretending you’re better than others because you draw the line at a different place is garbage
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I'm intelligent enough to realize the I was being critical towards the post of someone that considers an opinion of an individual with ethics in hunting is garbage. It wasn't towards the person that took that specific shot or the circumstances in which that shot was being taken. At no point did I argue semantics or specifics. I'm not pretending to be better than anyone. Having a difference in opinion on ethics and hunting doesn't make me better or worse just means I have a different opinion.

Now saying that someone's opinion is garbage without reasoning just because you disagree is garbage in itself and lacks intelligence. My standards for taking an ethical shot are far beyond any hunters I personally know but I certainly don't belittle them or think less of them as a person but they also aren't critical of the fact that I hold myself to a higher standard. I was simply being critical of someone being critical of what most of us that have ethics would consider a bare minimum standard of an ethical shot.

An open forum is simply the wrong place to be closed minded towards open discussion of applicable topics.
 
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jzerfoss said:
I'm intelligent enough to realize the I was being critical towards the post of someone that considers an opinion of an individual with ethics in hunting is garbage. It wasn't towards the person that took that specific shot or the circumstances in which that shot was being taken. At no point did I argue semantics or specifics. I'm not pretending to be better than anyone. Having a difference in opinion on ethics and hunting doesn't make me better or worse just means I have a different opinion.

Now saying that someone's opinion is garbage without reasoning just because you disagree is garbage in itself and lacks intelligence. My standards for taking an ethical shot are far beyond any hunters I personally know but I certainly don't belittle them or think less of them as a person but they also aren't critical of the fact that I hold myself to a higher standard. I was simply being critical of someone being critical of what most of us that have ethics would consider a bare minimum standard of an ethical shot.

An open forum is simply the wrong place to be closed minded towards open discussion of applicable topics.
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Ive tried to stay above the ethics stuff, but this post is ridiculous. “Most of us that have ethics would consider a bare minimum...” Get off your high horse.

Your post essentially says “my ethics are the only correct ethics”. I’ve never once in my life wounded big game and had to track it, let alone lost any game. Save your ivory tower bullshit for your buddies.

Every hunter has to decide for him or herself what they are comfortable with and what is appropriate given the circumstances they are dealing with during their specific hunt. You don’t get to be the arbiter of what is and isn’t ethical for everyone else.

TLDR - Mind your own business and worry about yourself.
 
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cwatson308 said:
I agree, you take the shot that your comfortable with...... 1200 yards with a knarly gusting 25 mph wind across a mountain would not be a great scenario for a first round knock down but given circumstances that you are comfortable with, take it. I was a sniper for 5 years and I can assure you that with practice and continual impacts on targets out to range, your confidence/training will pay off as such. Well done and great elk! I’ve got short action customs building a 300prc barrel for my DT a2 now. Will be rocking it soon!
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I had SAC do me up a 300 PRC and it’s fantastic.
 
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Yes, let’s.
 

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waveslayer said:
So does Rob st Speciality Purpose Rifles.

I don't see the value in a Proof Barrel for the DT... I did speak to Christiansen Arms, they will be making DT blanks soon
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Why don't you see the value of a Proof Research Carbon Fiber barrel for the DT SRS?
Poor quality of the barrel? Or do you have no use for possible weight reduction?
 
#11,688
M289 said:
Why don't you see the value of a Proof Research Carbon Fiber barrel for the DT SRS?
Poor quality of the barrel? Or do you have no use for possible weight reduction?
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I don't see the value for the weight savings... I have a Proof Barrel and it isn't that much lighter . Looks good.
I would like to try out a Christiansen though.
It's like a mountain bike, you can spend thousands to save little... I like Proof, the perfomance has been stellar, same as my DT barrels though. For the weight of the SRS, proof doesn't help that much
 
#11,690
rydah said:
If I’m going to be carrying the rifle all day I’d call a pound noticeable. But that depends on the person I guess. Both weights are for a 308 22 inch.
OEM 5.2 lbs
Proof 3.9 lbs
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I agree with that. I'd be running a 16" 6.5 Creedmoor from a Covert if I were to carry one all day.. 1 pound is a lot, but if I were a betting man, the majority of DT owners are lugging around their guns much.. I'd venture to say I could get a steel barrel, to 3.9 pounds.. it would be a pencil barrel though
 
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Yes, the DT 18" 6.5 CM Hunter barrel, is lighter than the Proof of the same length, however, the rigidity is going to be vastly different. When you look at similar contour profiles of the Proof, the weight savings are significant. My 26" 308 straight contour to 1" at the muzzle weighs 116.9 oz and the 26" 6.5 CM Proof 0.9" at the muzzle weighs 72.3 oz. Though, I would say the harmonics of the Proof are better than the steel barrel of a similar profile.
 
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Kopfjager1 said:
Yes, the DT 18" 6.5 CM Hunter barrel, is lighter than the Proof of the same length, however, the rigidity is going to be vastly different. When you look at similar contour profiles of the Proof, the weight savings are significant. My 26" 308 straight contour to 1" at the muzzle weighs 116.9 oz and the 26" 6.5 CM Proof 0.9" at the muzzle weighs 72.3 oz. Though, I would say the harmonics of the Proof are better than the steel barrel of a similar profile.
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My next buy will be the covert! How does the 18 inch creed shoot in the hunter!?
 
#11,699
Just passed week six waiting on my ES Tactical 6.5 CM and the SRS chassis. Scope has finally arrived and now I’m going crazy. We’re having a bit of an Indian Summer go on here and would love to get a shot down range before the place gets cold.

So ready to get this thing put together and running.

Can’t wait!
 
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