Oh how far we've fallen....some stupidity and a sad state of affairs over at TOS

[TheGerman]

I admit, I browse the epic level of retardation over at TOS from time to time. Years ago, I was actually a member until I realized that you could never get a straight answer to fucking ANYTHING over there and in the process ran into a hodge podge of 'this has already been answered' idiots, people that did it this way in 'the Stan' or people you knew for a fact were totally and completely full of shit.

Anyways, at least General Discussion over there is worth a read while i eat breakfast and I usually hunt for topics that I know are going to be full of epic amounts of stupid.

So what do I encounter today? Apparently the site where 50% of its members think they are sitting around to stage a revolution is now editing out the word faggot anytime its used. While I don't exactly run around outside screaming it at people, to me, this is just a sad step (and giving in) to some of the progressive bullshit that is afoot.

That's just fucking gay.

 

[marduk185]

i agree, pretty jewish

 

[doctordoctor]

Tos?

 

[Sean the Nailer]

I'll second that. Tos?

 

[TheGerman]

AR 15.

The site we dare not name!

 

[diverdon]

Tos?

Must be a site for Gays.

 

[eli polite]

I'm not 100% sure what your getting at here but using derogatory remarks to describe some one is childish and un necessary. To be honest treating people with such a lack of respect or empathy in my opinion makes you worse of a person.. Was cutting out the "N" word to progressive? I find it funny how much people want there rights to be respected and tolerated but in return would seek to DENIY others those exact same rights.. Makes you a hypocrite at best and a bigot. They say words are just words but I can tell you for a FACT! that many kids and adults have committed suicide because of the treatment they receive from others.. If your a part of the group that thinks this type of behavior is OK! than you also hold responsibility for these deaths.

Odd thing is I felt the same way a few years ago until I a few friends came OUT! and a few family members came out as well.. I just think its time to grow the fuck up

 

[Ironman8]

TOS = "The Other Site"

Funny how every other site refers to Barfcom as TOS

 

[marduk185]

I'm not 100% sure what your getting at here but using derogatory remarks to describe some one is childish and un necessary. To be honest treating people with such a lack of respect or empathy in my opinion makes you worse of a person.. Was cutting out the "N" word to progressive? I find it funny how much people want there rights to be respected and tolerated but in return would seek to DENIY others those exact same rights.. Makes you a hypocrite at best and a bigot. They say words are just words but I can tell you for a FACT! that many kids and adults have committed suicide because of the treatment they receive from others.. If your a part of the group that thinks this type of behavior is OK! than you also hold responsibility for these deaths.

Odd thing is I felt the same way a few years ago until I a few friends came OUT! and a few family members came out as well.. I just think its time to grow the fuck up


im sorry if your vagina has been sanded here, but if every person on the planet "comes out" ill call them all faggots. its a description. its a choice they've made and it disgusts me. this isnt pc, im sure, but are you telling me that if friends and family members suddenly declare sex with goats is their new lifestyle preference, you are gonna be supportive and go to their goat wedding? lol, people kill me.

 

[eli polite]

that's where you are partially wrong for some it is a choice but for the majority it is not a choice... there's no sand in any vagina over here its just common sense respect and decency for my fellow human beings. I'm sorry if you have made the choice to stay "IGNORANT" see that actually is a choice and ignorance go's hand in hand with stupid so I am sorry you have chosen the lifestyle of ignorance and stupid but at least you actually had a choice in that. There are quite a few of those "faggots" (your word) that have given there lives in secrecy to maintain your right to hate them and continue to deny them the same rights and dignity that you demand for your self. Shameful and ignorant but again that is a "choice" you made not something you were born with..

oh and your comparison with bestiality is also stupid animals cant give consent and there is absolutely NO correlation between the 2 again ignorance and stupidity I really do feel sorry for your choice to be ignorant.

 

[marduk185]

so if a child molester gives his life in service of our country are we supposed to embrace that lifestyle too? i never said anything about hating anyone, i just dont think america should condone sinful abberant behaviors and pretend its something thats ok. we had a tranny at work awhile back decided it wanted to cutoff its junk. they did this sensitivity training crap like somehow we were supposed to all embrace the weirdo's problem. my only comment in a dead silent room was, "has the dude had a mental evaluation and treatment? because he wants to hack off his junk to be something besides what god made him."

i got zero answer and the training was suddenly over. i never get common sense answers to these sorts of upside down, whats wrong is suddenly supposed to be right type philosophies. but i digress and now i will go work on creating my wasp tv network that will somehow be deemed racist ironically.

 

[TheGerman]

that's where you are partially wrong for some it is a choice but for the majority it is not a choice... there's no sand in any vagina over here its just common sense respect and decency for my fellow human beings. I'm sorry if you have made the choice to stay "IGNORANT" see that actually is a choice and ignorance go's hand in hand with stupid so I am sorry you have chosen the lifestyle of ignorance and stupid but at least you actually had a choice in that. There are quite a few of those "faggots" (your word) that have given there lives in secrecy to maintain your right to hate them and continue to deny them the same rights and dignity that you demand for your self. Shameful and ignorant but again that is a "choice" you made not something you were born with..

oh and your comparison with bestiality is also stupid animals cant give consent and there is absolutely NO correlation between the 2 again ignorance and stupidity I really do feel sorry for your choice to be ignorant.

But you do admit you have a vagina?

Listen, this has nothing for me to do with the fact that I think people should run around screaming faggot and beating the shit out of gay people or any of that nonsense. This has to do with the 'give a mouse a cookie and he'll ask for a glass of milk' problem that entire community is currently trying to bestow upon all of us by force. They say they want to be left alone but they do anything in their power to be in your face and attempt to MAKE you accept them, regardless of if you are morally, religiously, ethically or just plain fucking object to it. But their rights are more important than your rights.

That's the fucking problem.

Hear of all those business that didn't want to serve them and then get served with a lawsuit? Hear how they want to be in parades/clubs/events that have ABSOLUTELY FUCKING ZERO to do with them but FORCE you to accept them yet God forbid you try to put your beliefs in anything that's 'theirs' because you'll be labeled a racist homophobe.

That's the fucking problem.

It has nothing to do with the word. Just like what black people call each other, or call me a kraut or jerry or whatever - it wont phase me. Why? Because I don't have an agenda to be a victim because its the only thing I have going for me. There's nothing more ignorant than that, and I am sick of and will not succumb to this bullshit thought process because someone thinks I should. <----- And that's a HUGE problem in general, leading to a lot of the dead ends we are currently in as a society due to being surrounded by an ever increasing group of cattle.


TL;DR - I don't care if you're gay. I also don't care to the point that I don't want to know about it, hear about it or see it. And as soon as you try to force your lifestyle onto me, you are going to have problems.

Until then - I don't care what you do.

 

[pawprint2]

If pedophiles are "born" pedophiles, how would you suggest we deal with this "oddity of nature"? Should molesting children be considered a non-crime, as the perpetrator was "wired" that way? Would you consider it, Ignorant for me or anyone else to use a derogatory name for these beasts-the scum of the earth? You are confusing, actions-molesting children for sexual gratification, with racial heritage, apples to golf balls. I doubt you'll answer this question, but rather start calling names, the very thing you claim to hate!! If you want to give a clever little non-answer such as "a child can't give consent", then please include at what age you feel a human stops being a child. Should society, our society have the right to limit marriage to two people? Why should we? If the "rules" or the established norm (that over 1000s of years) is no longer adequate for some in our society, then why shouldn't those that would like to have 2-3-4 or more wives/husbands be allowed to marry as many as they wish? It appears to me, those demanding homosexual marriage be made normal and allowed everywhere etc. are also arguing for polygamy, as the argument is exactly the same, just change the group name, and wa-la, same-same. I don't think it'll be long before someone challenges the anti-polygamy laws and the supreme court rules polygamy is OK. The constant breakdown of the American family unit, the backbone of America, the society that made us the greatest country in the history of the world, is going to have devastating effects on all future generations.

 

[shankster..]

You motherfuckers need to get a life. Especially the phaggot that started this pathetic thread.

 

[gmz71]

Everyone has a damn opinion.... Let them have it and enjoy your own.

Shit..... Now this is TOS

 

[TheGerman]

You motherfuckers need to get a life. Especially the phaggot that started this pathetic thread.

Whatever chubby chaser.

 

[MosesTheTank]

I'm not 100% sure what your getting at here but using derogatory remarks to describe some one is childish and un necessary. To be honest treating people with such a lack of respect or empathy in my opinion makes you worse of a person.. Was cutting out the "N" word to progressive? I find it funny how much people want there rights to be respected and tolerated but in return would seek to DENIY others those exact same rights.. Makes you a hypocrite at best and a bigot. They say words are just words but I can tell you for a FACT! that many kids and adults have committed suicide because of the treatment they receive from others.. If your a part of the group that thinks this type of behavior is OK! than you also hold responsibility for these deaths.

Odd thing is I felt the same way a few years ago until I a few friends came OUT! and a few family members came out as well.. I just think its time to grow the fuck up

Not being called a name is not a right. Unfortunately, I believe you speak entirely to the denigration of the GLBT community and are undermining many decades of effort. It is the organization Queer Nation that proposed the exact opposite of what you are saying and enjoyed a fair amount of success at alleviating the power given to these words. Use these words, and use them often, and they will evaporate, much like word "queer". In short, it is the people who can't wait to hoist their giant neon VICTIM flag that have given these words the charge they have. We (you) need to stop this right about now as it only gives way to marginalization.

Queer Nation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If TOS wants to play this very 1984 game then I think they do so much to the peril of the very cause they espouse. Coming at it from a different angle than Shankster, I think, get a life. Language control is a very dangerous game.

 

[shankster..]

You motherfuckers need to get a life. Especially the phaggot that started this pathetic thread.

Whatever chubby chaser.

When Slapchop is the resident LEO, Maser talks parenting, and Veer_G is the resident firearms/shooting expert, this place appears no better than BARF.COM. So many babbling window-lickers have joined Sniper's Hide that they are now driving this shortbus.

 

[EddieNFL]

for some it is a choice but for the majority it is not a choice...

Who is forcing these (insert term here) to engage in homsosexual acts?

Last study I read that indicated gayness was part of a person's physical make-up was shredded to tiny bits when it was revealed the "scientist" left out all conflicting data. But for the sake of debate, lets say it's not a choice, Lance was born wanting to swallow semen. He still made a choice to do so. I equate it to drug and alcohol addiction. Science has proven it can be passed from parent to child, but the child makes a choice to take that first drink. FWIW, I will never refer to addiction as a disease.

Being homosexual isn't wrong; engaging in homo acts is.

 

[Rob01]

Forum rule:

1.Exercise common sense and be considerate toward your fellow users. Diversity of opinion and intelligent civil discourse is encouraged; by the same token, Personal attacks, rudeness, flaming, baiting, insults to others, or arguments will not be tolerated. Challenge others' points of view and opinions, but do so respectfully and thoughtfully. Any member who threatens anyone on the forum, via PM, instant messengers, or Email, will be subject to disciplinary actions, including but not limited to banishment from the site.

Some of you might not like it but we will not put up with derogatory terms for different people here as well. I am only leaving this post up to use it as a learning tool as well as a warning. Don't come around here slinging terms like "faggot" or any other term for other groups as I am more than sure that there are many groups other than white, heterosexual males on this site and they deserve to be treated with respect and not have to read those terms.

As always if you don't like it feel free to sign off and not come back.

 

[Phil1]

Kristin Beck.... Paid his dues.

More balls and shooting IQ than the entire membership of TOS. Or whatever you want to call it.

 

[Slapchop]

So many babbling window-lickers have joined Sniper's Hide that they are now driving this shortbus.

Coming from you, there is a bit of irony there.

 

[Unknown]

When people tell me it is a "lifestyle" that they choose, so everyone should be supportive, I usually keep my mouth shut rather than getting into a useless debate/argument/discussion.

However, so far, no one has yet been able to answer my inquiry as to whether or not there will ever be a "limit" to what we will tolerate as a society. Would those same people say that eventually, we should also accept the NAMBLA "lifestyle", or as stated above, complete pedophilia, goat love?

Maybe when someone can give a reasonable answer to that inquiry, I will re-evaluate my position. If no one is willing to say there are limits to behaviors we accept, then of course, there will not be any limits to the behavior we accept.

I don't believe in harming people with alternative lifestyle choices, I just don't think I'm quite ready to fully embrace making those with alternative lifestyle choices a class of people who enjoy greater protection from discrimination than any of the rest of us. Equal rights are equal, special rights are NOT equal.

 

[Rob01]

No one says you have to agree with or support anyone's lifestyle here. You just need to be respectful and not use derogatory terms or make anyone feel unwelcome. Your personal feelings on subjects such as this are your own or anyone else here. Not looking to change that. Just have to act appropriately when on this forum and everything will be fine. I am sure there are many other forums on the internet to debate all those issues. This isn't one of them. It's a shooting site. Lots of different people shoot.

 

[Maser]

Fuck them over there! When they move out of their mom's basements and stop playing CoD 20 hours a day, then they can have a say in the adult community. Until then, just ignore them and let the cheese from their Hot Pockets burn their lips.

 

[eli polite]

If pedophiles are "born" pedophiles, how would you suggest we deal with this "oddity of nature"? Should molesting children be considered a non-crime, as the perpetrator was "wired" that way? Would you consider it, Ignorant for me or anyone else to use a derogatory name for these beasts-the scum of the earth? You are confusing, actions-molesting children for sexual gratification, with racial heritage, apples to golf balls. I doubt you'll answer this question, but rather start calling names, the very thing you claim to hate!! If you want to give a clever little non-answer such as "a child can't give consent", then please include at what age you feel a human stops being a child. Should society, our society have the right to limit marriage to two people? Why should we? If the "rules" or the established norm (that over 1000s of years) is no longer adequate for some in our society, then why shouldn't those that would like to have 2-3-4 or more wives/husbands be allowed to marry as many as they wish? It appears to me, those demanding homosexual marriage be made normal and allowed everywhere etc. are also arguing for polygamy, as the argument is exactly the same, just change the group name, and wa-la, same-same. I don't think it'll be long before someone challenges the anti-polygamy laws and the supreme court rules polygamy is OK. The constant breakdown of the American family unit, the backbone of America, the society that made us the greatest country in the history of the world, is going to have devastating effects on all future generations.

again not at all the same to compare gays with pedophiles and bestiality is stupid at best.... It has every thing to with consent animals cant give consent and neither can children that's why there are laws to protect them... once you have reached the age of consent and can make decisions for your self than you can do what ever you want that's your choice. pedophiles and animal lovers take what they want from people and animals that have no defense from what is happening to them.. there is absolutely no comparison between the different groups. statements like yours show the true ignorance of the general public..

yes there are groups that embrace certain words and use them as a flag of honor but there are just as many that find it offensive and there also those that see it the same way as the African American community see the "N" its fine for the African Americans to use the word but not for the whit community..

the gay community is about 2% of the population and there has been a gay population sense people have walked the earth.. This isn't a new thing being forced on the general population.

The only thing that makes a person a decent person is the way they treat there fellow man.

 

[shankster..]

Coming from you, there is a bit of irony there.

More than a bit. LOL

 

[EddieNFL]

the gay community is about 2% of the population and there has been a gay population sense people have walked the earth..

Same can be said of murders.

This isn't a new thing being forced on the general population.

True. What the (insert term here) group is trying to do is force society to accept and AGREE with their CHOICE of lifestyles. Someone mentioned disagree, but use respectful terms. I assure you, language won't make one whit of difference if you disagree. You will be called a bigot, hater, ignorant, etc.

 

[pawprint2]

again not at all the same to compare gays with pedophiles and bestiality is stupid at best.... It has every thing to with consent animals cant give consent and neither can children that's why there are laws to protect them... once you have reached the age of consent and can make decisions for your self than you can do what ever you want that's your choice. pedophiles and animal lovers take what they want from people and animals that have no defense from what is happening to them.. there is absolutely no comparison between the different groups. statements like yours show the true ignorance of the general public..

yes there are groups that embrace certain words and use them as a flag of honor but there are just as many that find it offensive and there also those that see it the same way as the African American community see the "N" its fine for the African Americans to use the word but not for the whit community..

the gay community is about 2% of the population and there has been a gay population sense people have walked the earth.. This isn't a new thing being forced on the general population.

The only thing that makes a person a decent person is the way they treat there fellow man.

I am not at all surprised at the shear stupidity of the above statement, nor am I surprised at the complete lack of your reading comprehension. I asked quite clearly what you believed to be the age of consent, when I asked, "..at what age do you feel a human stops being a child", I knew you would pull some more shit out of your mouth, as you conveniently over looked that very simple question, or, is it as I stated, you have very poor reading comprehension skills? You've demonstration of a complete lack of understanding the problem, this is really made evident with your stupid, uninformed statement, "...once you have reached the age of consent and can make decisions for your self ". Is 14 years old, old enough for you? How about 13 years old, is that old enough for you? Check state and international law on what age someone can get married-that will demonstrate to all who care to investigate, how foolish you are. If the state sets the "age of consent" then by our own admission the state has a right to limit "adult" relationships, in this case based solely on age, and nothing else. You seem to rely on the state to make a judgment on what is right and wrong, based on age, but you, feel you know better than all others, on every other aspect of sexual relationships between people. Remember, consent in one jurisdiction would be child molestation in another. You are a coward, or stupid, or both for failing to set forth an age when humans, male and female, should be considered to be of the "age of consent". Go back to where ever an idiot like you came from, and sell this shit somewhere else. Or strap on a set of balls and actually answer the question. I couldn't help but notice ( but the courts have not) you hid like a little girl over the question of polygamy-the word coward comes to mind. Or is it, you know the answer, but you're afraid to bring it up? I see from your post, you're coming from Delaware, is that by way of SF?

 

[pawprint2]

A quick check of the state laws, "at what age can you get married", in the US, we find the age is as low as 12 years old!! 13-14 years old isn't that uncommon, given the state. I know in most states if an adult male showed up with a 12-13 year old girls as his wife, he'd be considered a child molester-and sure would be in my mind, however; in eli polite's way of thinking, this is A OK, as the laws were followed, and if a person is standing in Boston (for example) they are given by God a special maturity, that they would instantly no longer have if they left the state!!! In fact, eli polite believes the piece of dirt you are standing on determines ones ability to give consent to sexual activity!!!! Makes me wonder what kind of dirt they have in Delaware! It has long been noticed that the "smartest people in the world live in the NE corridor of the United States, if you don't believe it, just ask anyone living there! Maybe they really believe the dirt they stand on, has everything to do with their intelligence (thus demonstrating their intelligence to the rest of us).

 

[drafter]

It's a choice to be gay, NOT a "God made them that way" thing. The bible calls homosexuality "an abomination to mankind", look it up.
God didn't create people to be gay, murderers, child molesters, thieves, adulterers,etc,,,,people CHOSE to be and do what they are and what they will do.

Years ago when MJ was accused of molesting a little boy, which I totally believe he did, I was kicked off an FZ1 forum for calling him a faggot and yet the Harley sight where I'm a member used words that made faggot seem like a piece of candy !!! Funny thing is, I don't swear, ever, and I get kicked off a sight for saying faggot. Talk about ridiculous.

I don't care what eli polite or anyone else does in their bedroom, but when they change society so much that we now have the stupid, utterly atrocious,,,,,HATE CRIME..... I could scream. It's a HATE CRIME if you do something to a,,,,,homosexual,,,,REALLY !!!! So, it's WORSE to kill or beat up a gay person than a normal person. Wait for it, wait for it,,,,,what kind of _ _ _ _ _ _ law makers came up with THAT utterly ridiculous crime???????????
And you'll never convince me elections aren't fixed.
Let's lighten the mood.......

 

[shankster..]

It's a choice to be gay, NOT a "God made them that way" thing. The bible calls homosexuality "an abomination to mankind", look it up.
God din't create people to be gay, murderers, child molesters, thieves, adulterers,etc,,,,people CHOSE to be and do what they are and what they will do.

I would love you tenderly if I got the chance...

 

[pawprint2]

At least 1 out of 700 people are born with a condition known as Cleft Pallet, this is a normal and predictable based on the population numbers as a whole. Why do we surgically correct this? It is a normal occurrence, shouldn't we be celebrating it? Having Cleft Pallet liberation parades, and special rights for those with a Cleft Pallet seems like a logical next step? It appears as if society is "correcting" this normally occurring condition, so those born with a Cleft Pallet are "like" the rest of us. I am shocked, yes shocked, that there isn't a call to stop this dastardly dead, we must quit surgically correcting this genetic abnormality, and start celebrating it!

 

[pawprint2]

I've never been in prison, nor even visited someone in prison ( I guess I just run with a law abiding crowd ), but I understand there is a lot of homosexual activity in prison. If a person does not "choose to be homosexual", but are "born that way", is it correct to assume that criminal activity is much higher amongst homosexuals than heterosexuals, thus accounting for the high rate? Or, is it people in prison are CHOOSING to engage in homosexual activity? Perhaps, an expert on such matters would enlighten us.

 

[shankster..]

Let me make sure I understand this correctly: "HONOR OUR TROOPS WHO HAVE SERVED AND SACRIFICED UNLESS THEY ARE HOMOSEXUAL."

 

[Guest]

I would love you tenderly if I got the chance...

Bwaaa. good one

 

[pawprint2]

Let me make sure I understand this correctly: "HONOR OUR TROOPS WHO HAVE SERVED AND SACRIFICED UNLESS THEY ARE HOMOSEXUAL."

Honor our troops that have served and sacrificed, period. We don't honor a vets activities other than that ( not all anyway), if a vet should rob a bank, we still honor his/service, but not the bank robbery!!!!

 

[Rob01]

Locking this thread. You all said your part but the site is what it is. You will not make anyone who comes here feel unwelcome. If you don't like it, leave. Personal feeling are your own but this isn't your site. All shooters are welcome here.