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Yep those were used in Vietnam. Carlos Hathcock set up 50 M2’s with Unertls. If you were careful with the paddle you could pickle off a single round out to rather impressive distances.Does anyone recognize this crazy rig? who's was it and how long did he hold the record he made with it?
In these days of all this high tech crap,, its amazing what he did back in the day, with relatively basic Win Model 70 and those prehistoric scopes of the day.Yep those were used in Vietnam. Carlos Hathcock set up 50 M2’s with Unertls. If you were careful with the paddle you could pickle off a single round out to rather impressive distances.
About the only modification they had to make was putting Unertal blocks on the top of the Ma Deuce.
This was essentially the inspiration for Barrett a few years later. To make a 50 Cal that was man portable.
Cheers
Meanwhile, in 1863…. “Hold my Oh-be-Joyful and watch this.In these days of all this high tech crap,, its amazing what he did back in the day, with relatively basic Win Model 70 and those prehistoric scopes of the day.
All of them
Everything ive read concerning Marine Corps use in Korea and Vietnam say the scopes were the standard issue 8x.Looks like one of the larger tube Unertls.
Looks like they bent the tube a little too.All of them
It was different as well.In these days of all this high tech crap,, its amazing what he did back in the day, with relatively basic Win Model 70 and those prehistoric scopes of the day.
Robar???
Iver Johnson/DaisyRobar???
Sirhr
Iver JohnsonRobar???
Sirhr
the m2's can be fired single shot. There was a cylinder on the back by the paddle that you rotate and it clicks in and then your in single shot mode makes it really nice for sighting in night optics and stuffYep those were used in Vietnam. Carlos Hathcock set up 50 M2’s with Unertls. If you were careful with the paddle you could pickle off a single round out to rather impressive distances.
About the only modification they had to make was putting Unertal blocks on the top of the Ma Deuce.
This was essentially the inspiration for Barrett a few years later. To make a 50 Cal that was man portable.
Cheers
RAP - research armament prototype from RAI which was sold to Daisy then John Jovino/Iver Johnson which folded and remaining inventory went to Ultimate accuracy. After Daisy, Earl Redick went on to form Redick Arms Development (M91 etc)Iver Johnson
Brophy's .50 cal there is a Russian PTRD-41 anti-tank rifle with a modified bolt and a new barrel (possibly a modified M2 barrel) fitted to it to convert it from 14.5x114mm to .50 BMG. US snipers also used captured PTRD-41s in their original calibre. Officially the rifle in 14.5x114mm was effective out to about a kilometer, since they almost never used a scope with it, just super-rudimentary irons. Brophy's modified rifle with its scope was known to be effective out to 1700-1800m.Everything ive read concerning Marine Corps use in Korea and Vietnam say the scopes were the standard issue 8x.
Marine Sniper specifically mentions Hathcock using the scope from his Winchester 70 on the .50 BMG he used in Nam.
No telling about the Army.
Brophy was known to have ran a Unertl 2" on his Bull Gun, quite possibly one of those in this Korean war era pic of a 50 cal single shot he used to reach out beyond the range of his Winchester.View attachment 7863894
“Metric shit ton”
I was leaning towards the cook from m*a*s*h*Kirk Douglas?
Pffft, we could only wish he made stuff to that level.Damn Mark is that old?
Meanwhile, in 1863…. “Hold my Oh-be-Joyful and watch this.
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Long distance military marksman be they what we now call snipers or mere “Morgan’s/Berdans Riflemen” from the past… have a long history of doing things in interesting ways.
Sirhr
Kirk was Navy. Sure looks like him though.
How many MOA are built into that mount????
Are my eyes just playing tricks on me?
Actually, that's a Davy Crockett... just a kiloton. 1/20th the power of Hiroshima. Megaton would be... suicidal!that's not crazy , this would be crazy to put a scope on
the 1 mega ton atom bomb gun I really don't think your going to miss the splash without a scope
That's about right.I think that long range precision marksmen have always been the ones trying to experiment, innovate and exploit the advantages of various firearms, accessories and ammunition.
People use to laugh at some of us trying to hit targets with a .22 LR at 300 yards and beyond. You don't hear them laughing anymore.
I hear the occasional giggle when I set up a shot with a spring powered air rifle on a soup can at 100 yards. They stop laughing when they hear the "clink" and see the can topple.
It was said of the OSS candidate in WWII that they were looking for a PhD that could win a bar fight.
IMHO, a long range precision marksman is a math geek that can turn a sling shot into the mother-of-all-ballistic-terror-weapons that will launch projectiles across the International Date Line.
Actually, that's a Davy Crockett... just a kiloton. 1/20th the power of Hiroshima. Megaton would be... suicidal!
There was a nuclear hand grenade design. Really. Not sure who would have been stupid enough to throw it. But it was designed.
Two of my "Oldie" rifles are a .55 Boys Antitank and a German 13.2mm T-Gewehr. The original Man Portable anti-tank guns.
Both hurt like motherfuckers to fire! The .55 Boys is a lot hotter than a .50 BMG.
Sirhr
Meanwhile, in 1863…. “Hold my Oh-be-Joyful and watch this.
View attachment 7863873
Long distance military marksman be they what we now call snipers or mere “Morgan’s/Berdans Riflemen” from the past… have a long history of doing things in interesting ways.
Sirhr
That's about right.
I think if you did an IQ test of the folks who pass Marine Recon courses, Q-Course, BUD/S, Scout Sniper programs, any Tier-one training... you'd find their scores were significantly higher than the general population. Probably up in the top few percent. But they are also people not interested in being a hedge fund manager.
There are probably several fields where that is true. Degrees are all well and good. But there are things that matter a lot more than degrees.
Sirhr
Actually, the Browning M2 is capable of semi-automatic fireYep those were used in Vietnam. Carlos Hathcock set up 50 M2’s with Unertls. If you were careful with the paddle you could pickle off a single round out to rather impressive distances.
About the only modification they had to make was putting Unertal blocks on the top of the Ma Deuce.
This was essentially the inspiration for Barrett a few years later. To make a 50 Cal that was man portable.
Cheers