Re: Opinion on IOR
How in hell did this turn into a piece about Liberty Optics or Scott Berish? Why would Berish want to cast aspersions on my comments now, when he acted Very Concerned about them 2 yrs ago? Why would Berish relate so many confidential experiences of how shitty IOR has treated him and now act as if he said none of it?
I have never said one friggin ugly or rude thing about the guy.
I have never bought a scope from him.
I have no gripes with Berish.
But, I did wonder, after spending 45mins with him on the phone why he called me? Actually, he sounded half in the bag that night.
It has been a couple of years, yet when shit falls out of the sky on you, like IOR-Valdada did in my life, you remember the details. Scott Berish was not involved.
I also emailed Mike at CSGunworks about this 2-12 IOR; along with a couple other IOR dealers I knew of. Several relayed stories of customers getting ill-treatment from IOR and they had to go in their own pockets to take care of their buyers.
I don't see Mike hawking IOR stuff so aggressively, and don't recall him ever doing so.
When Berish called me that Friday night he sounded half in the bag. I don't know what his purpose here is in identifying me other than by my chosen hide identity?
I read only the top few lines of Berish's post beneath my last one. If the guy says I am a liar or nutcase for not forgetting the shitty IOR products I got scammed with, then why would he tell me all the horror stories, (which I haven't mentioned), over the phone? I also wonder if he was in the bag, does he even remember the conversation?
This is nothing personal between Berish and I.
What I did not know, what is not publicized anywhere, is that at the time I bought IOR=Valdada products, they only had 2 employees. In my professional career, I dealt with many small businesses, but none that had exclusive marketing rights for $800-$2000 per item products with annual sales presumably in the Millions, which only had one employee besides the owner.
Consider that Leupold has 650+ ees, Zeiss has thousands, mostly in photographic and graphics arts, Burris is a subsidiary of Beretta as is Sako/Tikka, Bushnell is likely another large employee firm. Even US Optics has more than two employees, although probably under 25 or 50.
Scott did relate to me that, "The IOR-Valdada business model relies on replacement of warranted scopes, not repair; since they have no repair or service technicians." Ask yourself if you want to spend $1000 or more for products marketed by a company that headquarters out of some crappy 500sf hole in the wall office in a downscale industrial office park, uses a code-a-phone to take messages, and is too small to even qualify for a group health plan? I know I don't.
The shoddiest thing about the whole IOR-Valdada business model is that IOR of Romania is affiliated with and backs it. No other reputable scope manufacturer operates in this manner. No other premium optics import firm awards dealerships to anyone who can order a couple thousand dollars of product as a first order.
None of this is about Scott Berish. It is bullshit to pretend that it is. Buy from whomever you want, but consider that when the head-cheese of any small company dies, the company dies with it unless some 2nd banana associate can buy out the owner and continue on.
When Redfield went out of business, and the name was later bought by Meade Optical (another major telescope binocular maker), they would not honor the old Redfield warranties. How would that go with IOR's valdada branded merchandise? To be sure, the European IOR stuff is not branded with "valdada".
Lots of concerns when shopping/buying expensive optics, and optics ARE more likely to break, have problems than any other firearm acccessory. I don't need anything that might ever break if IOR-Valdada imported or sold it.
How in hell did this turn into a piece about Liberty Optics or Scott Berish? Why would Berish want to cast aspersions on my comments now, when he acted Very Concerned about them 2 yrs ago? Why would Berish relate so many confidential experiences of how shitty IOR has treated him and now act as if he said none of it?
I have never said one friggin ugly or rude thing about the guy.
I have never bought a scope from him.
I have no gripes with Berish.
But, I did wonder, after spending 45mins with him on the phone why he called me? Actually, he sounded half in the bag that night.
It has been a couple of years, yet when shit falls out of the sky on you, like IOR-Valdada did in my life, you remember the details. Scott Berish was not involved.
I also emailed Mike at CSGunworks about this 2-12 IOR; along with a couple other IOR dealers I knew of. Several relayed stories of customers getting ill-treatment from IOR and they had to go in their own pockets to take care of their buyers.
I don't see Mike hawking IOR stuff so aggressively, and don't recall him ever doing so.
When Berish called me that Friday night he sounded half in the bag. I don't know what his purpose here is in identifying me other than by my chosen hide identity?
I read only the top few lines of Berish's post beneath my last one. If the guy says I am a liar or nutcase for not forgetting the shitty IOR products I got scammed with, then why would he tell me all the horror stories, (which I haven't mentioned), over the phone? I also wonder if he was in the bag, does he even remember the conversation?
This is nothing personal between Berish and I.
What I did not know, what is not publicized anywhere, is that at the time I bought IOR=Valdada products, they only had 2 employees. In my professional career, I dealt with many small businesses, but none that had exclusive marketing rights for $800-$2000 per item products with annual sales presumably in the Millions, which only had one employee besides the owner.
Consider that Leupold has 650+ ees, Zeiss has thousands, mostly in photographic and graphics arts, Burris is a subsidiary of Beretta as is Sako/Tikka, Bushnell is likely another large employee firm. Even US Optics has more than two employees, although probably under 25 or 50.
Scott did relate to me that, "The IOR-Valdada business model relies on replacement of warranted scopes, not repair; since they have no repair or service technicians." Ask yourself if you want to spend $1000 or more for products marketed by a company that headquarters out of some crappy 500sf hole in the wall office in a downscale industrial office park, uses a code-a-phone to take messages, and is too small to even qualify for a group health plan? I know I don't.
The shoddiest thing about the whole IOR-Valdada business model is that IOR of Romania is affiliated with and backs it. No other reputable scope manufacturer operates in this manner. No other premium optics import firm awards dealerships to anyone who can order a couple thousand dollars of product as a first order.
None of this is about Scott Berish. It is bullshit to pretend that it is. Buy from whomever you want, but consider that when the head-cheese of any small company dies, the company dies with it unless some 2nd banana associate can buy out the owner and continue on.
When Redfield went out of business, and the name was later bought by Meade Optical (another major telescope binocular maker), they would not honor the old Redfield warranties. How would that go with IOR's valdada branded merchandise? To be sure, the European IOR stuff is not branded with "valdada".
Lots of concerns when shopping/buying expensive optics, and optics ARE more likely to break, have problems than any other firearm acccessory. I don't need anything that might ever break if IOR-Valdada imported or sold it.
