Opinions on POFs 308

Valyndiir

Valyndiir

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I am playing with the idea of purchasing a POF 308 with a 16.5-20" barrel and selling my Rock River Arms LAR-8. Not entirely sure just yet, but it seems the POF will outshoot the RRA along with having quite a few other advantages. How does it compare to other AR platforms or your average 308 bolt rifle?
 
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Not to horn in on your thread - but I am more interested in any negative reports of POF and reports on how well these feed and extract.

*IF* these feed and extract as well as a well built M14(clone) it sounds like a winner.



Good luck
 
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That is a great link. I have read most of those in the past.


What I don't see? The guy who has 5+k through it, ran it hard for 2 days and put 2k through it, who picks it up and runs it like a carbine (when it is most likely to fail), that has run it for a year in 3 gun, that has dropped / kicked / stepped on his mags / run surp ammo.....


I keep looking at them, but a '14 runs. My concern is that as time goes by we will see another ban and the average age of an armorer that knows '14 is what? 60? USGI parts are hard to come by and I have had 3 AR 10s (2 custom 1 stocker) that were nothing but headaches.


Good luck
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Valyndiir</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am playing with the idea of purchasing a POF 308 with a 16.5-20" barrel and selling my Rock River Arms LAR-8. Not entirely sure just yet, but it seems the POF will outshoot the RRA along with having quite a few other advantages. How does it compare to other AR platforms or your average 308 bolt rifle? </div></div>

A shooting buddy of mine has a NP3'd POF P-308 with the 20" rock barrel and it shoots. I had some trigger time on it with 168 FGMM shooting 100 yard groups and got it down to sub MOA on average.

I've never shot or seen a RRA 308, so I can't comment on it but with the POF P308 you're at a MSRP of around $2600 +/-.

My opinion is that unless you're looking for a piston AR 308 platform, you're options are plentiful for the amount I'm guessing you are willing to spend ($2500-$3000?). There's the LMT MWS @ $2600-2700, the Larue Tactical OBR @ $2995, or a GAP DPMS @ $2450 (starting).

You might want to specify what it is you're looking for in 308 AR platform. Example: Piston or not? Looks? All of the 308's I listed above will be capable of shooting better than most shooters can shoot, so performance/accuracy is not an option.

One last thing... if you want to get into the AR platform and are comparing it to a bolt gun in terms of "shootability" then I urge you to re-consider your approach. The AR platform is VERY different from a bolt gun as far as your hold consistency and shooting fundamentals are concerned. The AR will test them all.
 
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This horse has been beaten to death in numerous other threads and the consensus is that the P-308 rifles/carbines are very accurate, reliable/dependable rifles...even in the long term and with hard use. If you use the Google SH search engine linked to above, you'll get tons of info on the POFs.

I have nearing 3k rounds through mine at this point and have not had a hiccup. It is sub-MOA accurate and with my reloads is approaching 1/2MOA accuracy. With the Magpul LR-20 PMAGs, I have gotten 100% feeding/ejecting/extracting with every ammo I have run in it from Match commercial loads (155gr to 180gr), my reloads (155gr to 175gr), and Austrian (can't recall the other nationality) surplus 147gr ball.

As to Mo's concerns, I can't speak to the 2k-a-day reliability issues or what you define as "hard use" because that is not what I bought mine (20" SPR) to do, but I am confident from my experiences with the rifle that it would do it and come back asking for more! Scott and some others here on the board have run them that hard...NOMAD won the Oregon Snipers Challenge with one in 6.5CM which is not exactly a pleasure cruise in terms of the shooting involved.

Buy one (a 14.5" or a 16") and put it through its paces. I am sure that you'll be pleased with the results and, God forbid, if you aren't I am sure that there are plenty of folks who'd be willing to take it off your hands.

As to the OP's issue...I don't compare any semi-auto to any bolt rifle. It is just an unfair comparison in basically every respect. Any bolt action platform built by a competent smith will run circles around the vast majority of the semi-auto rifles out there in the hands of a capable shooter both in terms of accuracy and reliability. Any time you get fewer moving parts, remove the gas system (whether DI or piston)...the list goes on and on...you end up with a vastly different rifle.

As for the POF verus any other 308 semi...that call is yours. Read through some of the other posts re: POF v. [fill-in-the-blank) for comparisons/contrasts. For the money, the POF offers a lot of features and is an excellent choice. That said, for that same money, you can get one hell of a custom rig or many of the other semis on the market. If you are going to shoot your rifle suppressed, I highly recommend you keep on track with the POF. If not, then it comes down to what you want to spend and what you ultimately want to end up with, but the POF would be at or very near the top of my list!
 
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I just finished working up a load for a new 16" POF .308 The gun is a shooter and the best I got was .75 with an average of all the final good groups < 1". Biggest issue was me and consistency shooting an AR, I blow some decent groups with a operator induced flyer. The trigger on the gun is clean, crisp and minimal overtravel but breaks at 4.5# and that took some getting used to coming from bolt guns with 2-2.5# triggers. The AR platforms are harder to shoot consistent precision groups for me but the guns are up to it. Nothing more trigger time will not fix. I am going to enjoy this gun shooting steel suppressed at distance. I am using Lapua brass and have had no failures to feed or extract in the first 50 rounds.
 
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I only have 200 rounds through my 20" and they have been flawless. As stated above its a sub MOA rifle that I need more trigger time to be more consistent, but that's on me as I have had as good as a .25" 3 shot group at 100 yards but my best 5 shot to this point has been 3/4 MOA at 200 yards. The rifle is more capable than me so far.
 
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I don't want to sway your decision one way or another, thats why I usually stay off these types of posts, but the one thing I do have to say, is that there are at least two reps from POF on this forum and a few others. We try and answer questions because sometimes its hard to get through on the phones.
 
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I watched one at the Oregon Sniper Challenge go through about 600 rounds in about 2 hours, no cleaning, no lube. Fed and extracted great.

Also watched 2 shooters use POF rifles for 2 days, fed and extracted fine....and one of them won the entire thing.

I'd say that the POFs work just fine!
 
#11
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Lots of good advice, thank you everyone. I -really- want a POF but, I also want a gun that I can compete with. Inevitably it will probably require a bolt gun.

Now in POF's website there was a ballistic report involving the 14.5", 16", and 24". The 24" seemed to be the least accurate of the three. With the 24" being discontinued is the 20" more accurate than the 14.5 and 16" models or is it still looking at some of the same disadvantages the 24" had? Also is it possible to close the gas block on this gun?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Valyndiir</div><div class="ubbcode-body">SNIP...Now in POF's website there was a ballistic report involving the 14.5", 16", and 24". The 24" seemed to be the least accurate of the three. With the 24" being discontinued is the 20" more accurate than the 14.5 and 16" models or is it still looking at some of the same disadvantages the 24" had? Also is it possible to close the gas block on this gun? </div></div>

I am familiar with the testing that POF has posted on their site. Don't get too caught up on the specific numbers other than to get an overall idea of how accurate this platform can be in the right hands with the right ammo. Barrel length, in and of itself, doesn't have as much to do with accuracy potential as it does muzzle velocity and thus, range. In the hands of a competent shooter with good ammo, any of the three (14.5, 16 or 20") should all achieve about the same accuracy over time.

As for being able "to close the gas block" on the POF...no. There are two settings (Normal and Suppressed) which adjust the gas system according to whether you have a can on the rifle or not. It does NOT completely "close."
 
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As both ORD and JasonK have stated POF builds one hell of a rifle. After handling/shooting their rifles for the Oregon Sniper Challenge I knew that it is everyhing I wanted in my next stick. I have one being shipped to me as we speak (personal rifle) and I can't wait to put it through it's paces. Another thing to consider is how well POF supports the shooters and events. POF amazes everyone with their generosity. Simply put in my opinion "POF is the best".
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Valyndiir</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lots of good advice, thank you everyone. I -really- want a POF but, I also want a gun that I can compete with. Inevitably it will probably require a bolt gun.

Now in POF's website there was a ballistic report involving the 14.5", 16", and 24". The 24" seemed to be the least accurate of the three. With the 24" being discontinued is the 20" more accurate than the 14.5 and 16" models or is it still looking at some of the same disadvantages the 24" had? Also is it possible to close the gas block on this gun? </div></div>

There was no disadvantage to the 24" other than what happens with a limited statistical sample. I believe the 24" not being what the market supported with their dollars led to its demise.


If you want a gun you can compete with take a peek at the 6.5 Creedmoor link in my signature. I shot in Utah last weekend with one. I placed 13th with probably 3hrs behind the rifle prior to the match and using 120gr Factory ammo that had the ballistics of 168gr 308. I'm confident that once I get more time and a better load I will not be hindered one bit....
 
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The 6.5 mm creedmoor match ammo is the same price as the 175 gr blackhills 308 match ammo but with much better performance. I have been shooting the factory ammo since I started shooting long range tactical a couple of years ago. I don't know about the 308 POF'S but I can't wait for my 6.5 mm creedmoor POF to be built.
 
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