PC or Mac

[Adam B]

Re: PC or Mac

I for one am all about installing os x on a pc, I have a Dell a Lenovo and a whitebox desktop that have been running it for a few years now with no issues.

http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/Installation_Guides

 

[Sharpshooter]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Erik S.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is alot of good information here in the form of opinions from many SH members!

get a Mac. Because the OS is open source

you can easily delete the entire program without having to go through an arduous uninstall procedure.
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I support both OS's but lets be logical about this.

In the VERY near future, like 2 years ago LOL, the US Government started sending out IAVA's, or security alerts.
Now mind you these are the alerts that CAN affect what you do.

a few years ago Linux was the craze, but nobody ever saw the "Critical" security alerts on Linux, it was DOUBLE what Windows XP was. 32 to the 16 criticals of XP.

<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #FF0000">Now I like MAC's, got no problem with them except the price and proprietary nature of the hardware.</span></span>

But before I left my job there were 4 critical IAVA's out for the MAC. This means, if you do not fix it you cannot run it on the network, because a hacker (See the open source piece you wrote above) has FOUND a flaw thanks to that open source code. (it's really not however as it's highly modified version of BSD Unix not Linux)..

But all the same, the bad guys are now turning their attention to macs and iphones because Apple has begun doing things like Microsoft did. Not as bad but it has begun.

MAC webserver - heard it's one of the best on the planet but not many people run it.


So just be fair about this.

<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #FF0000">Oh yeah, last I checked, about 3 versions ago, MAC's used a registry. So while you can just "Delete" a program I have a very poewrful hunch it leaves a bunch of crap in the registry which can over time slow the OS down.</span></span>

<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #FF0000">Also the HPFS file system they used ot use, got very fragmented, there is or should be a defrag tool that a lot of people don't run.</span></span>

I'm a bit outdated on the MAC and I do respect them but I just want ot be fair.

All in all, still say a mac is a better long term investment, although my last P4 was bought in 2002 so it lasted me 8 years without ever rebuilding XP.


Anyway you MAC gurus fill me in if I'm wrong - my info was pre-Unix.


FYI MAC runs the same or VERY similiar OS as what is flying around in orbit on 90% of the satellites and on the rovers on mars. They are currently running a 286 processor with BSD Unix.

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1. Macs no longer use proprietary hardware and that is a shame IMO because the Power PC processors actually had a lot more performance in them. They were leaps and bounds ahead of Intel hardware at the time. Remember the first commercially available 64 bit machine was an Apple well before any PC was able to pull that feat off. The move to Intel was made to appease switchers.

2. OS X does not have anything close to a registry and thank God for that because the registry is where the bulk of Windows problems start popping up.

3. The HFS extended file system transparently defragments itself so there is no need for a disk defragmentation utility like there is with Windows.

While OS X is based on UNIX it is not an open system like BSD UNIX this is part of what makes OS X MORE secure than Windows or UNIX.

 

[socalsheepdog]

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I like Macs and the thought and design that goes into all the products they produce but they don't play nice with anyone and they rope you into the "Mac Pay To Play" universe. I have both platforms but spend 95% of my time on Windows. I like to tweak and the PC is better for that. Some don't like that and want a computer that is dumbed down a bit (no offense to anyone) and Macs provide that. I have really not been a fan since iTunes came out and Apple became an Entertainment company who provides proprietary digital equipment to play their products on.

Apple sells Music, TV/Movies and now Books. They sell the equipment to support that business model. It's not the same company as it was in the 80s and 90s. Just my .02

 

[Sharpshooter]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Socalsheepdog</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I like Macs and the thought and design that goes into all the products they produce but they don't play nice with anyone and they rope you into the "Mac Pay To Play" universe. I have both platforms but spend 95% of my time on Windows. I like to tweak and the PC is better for that. Some don't like that and want a computer that is dumbed down a bit (no offense to anyone) and Macs provide that. I have really not been a fan since iTunes came out and Apple became an Entertainment company who provides proprietary digital equipment to play their products on.

Apple sells Music, TV/Movies and now Books. They sell the equipment to support that business model. It's not the same company as it was in the 80s and 90s. Just my .02 </div></div>

On this I have to really disagree. Serious development and other important work is performed on MACS. Additionally for all practical purposes any serious graphic design work is done on macs as well as most serious audio and multi media. Watched ANY movie in the last 15 years ? Yup it was edited on a MAC using final cut. Hell Microsoft even used PowerMac desktops to design the original XBOX... Something to think about IMO. I do almost all Adobe development where I work on a MAC. These are just a few areas where MACS are used all the time and surpass the abilities of their PC counterparts. I support Apple desktops as a side job for a Geology Firm in addition to my full time job. they use Apples because they were unable to find PC's that would do what they needed.

I am not just an Apple fan boy, I have spent a good deal of the last 5 years of my life supporting PC based systems in desktop and network support level tiers.

 

[Retoocs]

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Any serious engineering work is done on a PC. There are very few CAD programs or schematic layout programs for Mac's. It wasn't until this year that Autodesk released a Mac version of AutoCad.

 

[socalsheepdog]

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And Final Cut Pro is what percent of their market share? Come on dude, they sell entertainment and if Jobs could completely ban all Adobe applications from "His" platform, he would. He really doesn't care about the "graphic artist" anymore, it's all about that $.99 cent sale. Open Source is the way it will be in the future, a word that is not in the Apple vocabulary.

 

[Sharpshooter]

Re: PC or Mac

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Socalsheepdog</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And Final Cut Pro is what percent of their market share? Come on dude, they sell entertainment and if Jobs could completely ban all Adobe applications from "His" platform, he would. He really doesn't care about the "graphic artist" anymore, it's all about that $.99 cent sale. Open Source is the way it will be in the future, a word that is not in the Apple vocabulary. </div></div>

Thats not correct he has problems with Flash because of the HUGE security holes it opens up in any OS. Also with the advent of HTML 5 there is no reason for Flash to even exist anymore.

 

[dtask]

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It's a root access issue with the "security issues" being the smoke screen. Adobe won't give Jobs root access and Jobs wouldn't reciprocate wether he could get it from Adobe or not. While HTML5 may be the next big thing (remains to be seen despite what Jobs says), it doesn't mean the death of Flash.

Apple doesn't support Flash, so when Safari won't display a site correctly because it's running Flash and Apple has conveniently not looked into the compatibility issues it's browser is having with Flash, where does the issue really lie - in the lap of Adobe or Apple?

You still have Android phones pimping Flash and iPads and iPhone without Flash support. Both are selling - that tells me there is a market for Flash <span style="font-style: italic">and</span> HTML5. Besides, if HTML5 were to take root and everyone learned/implemented it's use and for whatever reason Flash did go away completely, it wouldn't be because of Steve Jobs or Apple - it's more likely to be because the porn industry implemented it's use.

 

[socalsheepdog]

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Does porn look better on a PC or Mac?

 

[phantasm]

Re: PC or Mac

There is a lot of back and forth on which platform to use. I've always been a PC guy, mainly because I prefer to build my own systems and don;t mind tinkering with an OS to tweak it to my liking.

I'm also a Linux guy though and use it about 80% of the time. The remainder of the time I'm in Windows for one reason or another. Mac's are fine if you want to pay the money for them. Me personally, I plan on never owning one. I just don't like them.