Maggie’s People with guns and ammo will determine the value of everything post apocalypse.

If you do a detailed read, some of the plagues were specifically listed as not affecting the chosen people, others it doesn't say.
The chosen people were already going through their own tribulation in Egypt, long before the Prophet came to free them.

It gets a bit sticky trying to mix and match when you are using examples of punishments God directly deals out with the evil deeds of evil humans or the forces of the Devil that inspire and control evil humans.
When the topic of pre trib rapture starts I ask those in the conversation about the Israelites before the exodus. Were only the Egyptians affected by the plagues? Then why would you expect it to be different for you or me?

Well there is that part in end times prophecy (fourth & fifth seal) when the saints in heaven say to God (paraphrasing): "Yo, when are you going to get even with all that vile wickedness and evil?" and the reply is "Go put on some white robes, I'm waiting for more Martyrs".

Revelation 6:7-11​

King James Version​

7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.​

8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
 
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Corn liquor? You fucking peasant. I make bourbon and the finest vodka you've ever tasted. It's a real pain in the ass to make potato vodka, but a lot easier to grow potatoes than corn, most of which is now GMO and won't regerminate...

That said, all my made liquor, guns, ammo, and grown food won't save me and my family, or yours, at all. All those people who you plan on shooting because you think they're there to steal your stuff are welcome at my HQ. You can stay and eat and enjoy safety, but you are now conscripted into the militia and will follow orders or be shot. Nothing you have is going to beat my numbers and my army, and I will make it as big as possible. You had better believe we'll have a lot of military and their appropriated equipment. Probably tanks and artillery too, because I'm not going to be shooting (most) people. I'm going to be conscripting them, and THAT is how you survive. The rest is a pantomime.

And then the various warlord armies take turns fighting it out for supremacy and it's full on Africa until somebody somewhere stays on top long enough for someone to try to build a proper real government, not just some slave conscript army lead by a brutal warlord.
Never happens in Africa, but in Europe and other places with higher IQ types it eventually happens.
 
This is a pretty good read.

About how a guy and family survived Bosnia. His remembrances are worth paying attention to.

Thanks for posting this, I was finally able to read through it all, most interesting part to me, was the the causes leading up to the civil war, and relating it to the US.

What parallels do you see with events in the US and Bosnia before the SHTF?​

US and Yugoslavia (in 1990) on first look do not have anything in common because people are going to say, "The USA cannot have anything similar to any socialistic system."

This is true but only on first look.

Yugoslavia had somewhere around 20-22 million citizens, six republics (similar to states in the US), 3-4 main religions, and many national groups (ethnicity).

The official state policy was to build Yugoslavian "nationality" (from the end of WW1) and through different ways that effort was successful until the 90s.

We were "something big, united through differences with a strong connection to make something big."

And then those differences were used to make chaos.

In the late 80s and beginning of the 90s (when democracy came) the problems started and ended up in series of wars and cases of complete collapse.

Things that I experienced in my case prior to SHTF, and things that you might recognize:

  • Things that make differences between people are more and more problematic (race, religion, political opinion).
  • Polarization is getting obviously stronger.
  • People want to come to your country, but they do not want to "assimilate" or contribute to the greater good. They want to preserve their way of life which is often absolutely contradictory to the way that your country (society) works.
  • The political way of solving those problems often fails, because, in essence, those problems are hard to solve in a democratic way (in the spirit of democracy).
  • Your freedoms are "shrinking" as a result of that.
  • Calls for "radical solutions" for the problems are stronger and stronger.
  • The media is absolutely working a dirty job, and it is hard to find out what is the truth anymore.
  • Suddenly people and events from history are "brought back" so people can judge and argue about it, to write history again, to build myths sometimes.
 
Obviously (or maybe not) after a collapse the whole point of surviving is to rebuild society and retain as much knowledge as possible as quickly as possible to avoid a dark age, but first you have to survive. Democracy and decision making by committee are not conducive to survival. The whole war lord thing is exactly what happened in Europe after Rome fell, and it lasted centuries. Lord of the Flies devolved because they did not have a military hierarchy, but rather a pseudo democracy that resulted in deadly factionalism. The dark ages lasted so long because no one was interested in rebuilding, and the Church used the feudal system to become powerful rather than for the good of mankind. The best thing is that with the American blueprint and guaranteed civil rights I think we could bounce back a lot faster than if we got trapped in feudalism, which could happen, but would be very bad.

@remmynikon.308 , what I saw in Former Yugoslavia, and how people survived a brutal and protracted civil war is precisely why I say that numbers are what wins. Whoever has the bigger gang or tribe simply has more hands to work, survive, or fight. Looking at it as a lone survivor assumes there won't be a lot of people. In a deadly pandemic or mass contagion the lone survivor is probably king of the wasteland, in almost any other type of collapse all they are is an easy meal (hopefully they have nice guns that I don't already have!).
 
Yeah, but thats not for another 6 years.😉
They got plenty of time.....
I mean, depending on when they'll do the big reveal on the nephilim.


Revelation 8:11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

So, will Wormwood be an asteroid? Or, is this John's interpretation of seeing a nuclear ICBM in his vision? I prefer to take the Bible literally, so favor the former.
 
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Thanks for posting this, I was finally able to read through it all, most interesting part to me, was the the causes leading up to the civil war, and relating it to the US.

What parallels do you see with events in the US and Bosnia before the SHTF?​

US and Yugoslavia (in 1990) on first look do not have anything in common because people are going to say, "The USA cannot have anything similar to any socialistic system."

This is true but only on first look.

Yugoslavia had somewhere around 20-22 million citizens, six republics (similar to states in the US), 3-4 main religions, and many national groups (ethnicity).

The official state policy was to build Yugoslavian "nationality" (from the end of WW1) and through different ways that effort was successful until the 90s.

We were "something big, united through differences with a strong connection to make something big."

And then those differences were used to make chaos.

In the late 80s and beginning of the 90s (when democracy came) the problems started and ended up in series of wars and cases of complete collapse.

Things that I experienced in my case prior to SHTF, and things that you might recognize:

  • Things that make differences between people are more and more problematic (race, religion, political opinion).
  • Polarization is getting obviously stronger.
  • People want to come to your country, but they do not want to "assimilate" or contribute to the greater good. They want to preserve their way of life which is often absolutely contradictory to the way that your country (society) works.
  • The political way of solving those problems often fails, because, in essence, those problems are hard to solve in a democratic way (in the spirit of democracy).
  • Your freedoms are "shrinking" as a result of that.
  • Calls for "radical solutions" for the problems are stronger and stronger.
  • The media is absolutely working a dirty job, and it is hard to find out what is the truth anymore.
  • Suddenly people and events from history are "brought back" so people can judge and argue about it, to write history again, to build myths sometimes.
That stood out to me to
 
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Revelation 8:11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

So, will Wormwood be an asteroid? Or, is this John's interpretation of seeing a nuclear ICBM in his vision? I prefer to take the Bible literally, so favor the former.

Me personally, I think its literally an asteroid, I think it can literally be an angel at the same time, or "star".
I interpreted it to be an asteroid, when I first read it as a child.
Hollywood thinks an asteroid is gonna hit the earth....who is their lord and master? That dude knows...a bit more than we do.

An ICBM would be a chariot of fire. Read Joel chapter 2 for the difference. ICBMs are described there.
 
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You all should read the first few books of "in the ashes" series by William W. Johnstone.

It's a good read and kinda goes along with all of our thoughts on this. Basically it's what happened to society and what could happen.

Highly recommend reading at least the first 3-4. About 30 in the series and they get alittle repetitive towards the end.
 
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There was another like that but during the Yugoslavia war/falling a part. It talked of sniper teams on the old Olympic equipment. It is quite a few years ago and I have tried to find it again but no luck. The one thing I remember clear is talking about refilling disposable lighters and repair of them. That was a big deal. Humans will get sick if you eat a raw rat, you also must have fire.

That was a real good article, thanks.

As to our "end of days". Boy I hope not, but as each day goes by that train rolling down the track headed for you gets closer. It will be harder and harder to dodge. I also really think this is the root reason behind all the "gun control". That shit for brains Brandon says you need F-15's and tanks....really tell that to the vietcong, people in the hills of afghanistan, syra, libya......on and on.....hell even yougoslavia. You only need two things, a rifle and will. Remove the rifle and you have nothing, and if you doubt that (I know no one here does but for the sake of the post) ask those that had to deal with the Khmer Rouge, or christians under idi amin, that list is also endless, specific groups in china, to the ussr, or 1930's germany.

A gun will be a fairly important tool, skills are also going to be needed, how to get that rat ready to eat, you don't just shoot it put it over a fire and eat it....there is a little more to it then that. And those skills are pretty darn valuable.

Years ago there was a show called survivor man, he really started that entire style of show. But he did it correctly. He really was alone, yes he had a crew on standby just incase, but all filmed by him, the walking away shots he had to walk back and get the camera for those. One thing I remember from his show was eating Rabbits and only rabbits you will die from you. You need fats. So unless you eat the eyes, bones, brains and clean and eat the guts you will die. IIRC they got him to stop as each new show would just destroy his body. If you can find them somewhere they are quite good.

That was Les Stroud. Bear Grylls has to call Les Stroud for directions out of the woods.
Yes Les Is the real deal.
 
Well there is that part in end times prophecy (fourth & fifth seal) when the saints in heaven say to God (paraphrasing): "Yo, when are you going to get even with all that vile wickedness and evil?" and the reply is "Go put on some white robes, I'm waiting for more Martyrs".

Revelation 6:7-11​

King James Version​

7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.​

8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
"Saints " I believe that is possibly referring to Elijah, the apostles Moses and the like.
 
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could be a pathogen or microbe , pollution, chemical
I think that is a given......
That has nothing to do with the pretty graphic description of it falling from the sky.

Seen any asteroid movies?
How many asteroid movies you reckon hollyweird has made?
Alien movies for what????? 70 years?
Is it entertainment? Or indoctrination?

Here is why people can't unravel it.
"Is it a physical star, or is a spiritual star?"
Yes
??????
Its both.
"Well, an asteroid isn't a star."
Yep, technically not a star. Also called, "being cute" where i come from.

We are stuck in a 3 dimensional plane, with a two dimensional brain.
 
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We are stuck in a 3 dimensional plane, with a two dimensional brain.
I say this all the time. If a dog, horse, ant are all stunted by their brain capacity, it is only reasonable we are too! We just cant understand what we cant see or cant grasp.
Look at our tiny light spectrum we can see. We are barely significant in everything.
 
Obviously (or maybe not) after a collapse the whole point of surviving is to rebuild society and retain as much knowledge as possible as quickly as possible to avoid a dark age, but first you have to survive. Democracy and decision making by committee are not conducive to survival. The whole war lord thing is exactly what happened in Europe after Rome fell, and it lasted centuries. Lord of the Flies devolved because they did not have a military hierarchy, but rather a pseudo democracy that resulted in deadly factionalism. The dark ages lasted so long because no one was interested in rebuilding, and the Church used the feudal system to become powerful rather than for the good of mankind. The best thing is that with the American blueprint and guaranteed civil rights I think we could bounce back a lot faster than if we got trapped in feudalism, which could happen, but would be very bad.

@remmynikon.308 , what I saw in Former Yugoslavia, and how people survived a brutal and protracted civil war is precisely why I say that numbers are what wins. Whoever has the bigger gang or tribe simply has more hands to work, survive, or fight. Looking at it as a lone survivor assumes there won't be a lot of people. In a deadly pandemic or mass contagion the lone survivor is probably king of the wasteland, in almost any other type of collapse all they are is an easy meal (hopefully they have nice guns that I don't already have!).

I don't think it matters because I don't think it's going to turn out anywhere near like you think it will.
The only time your plan would actually have a chance longer term is if there was some actual real natural disaster and extinction level event.

Think for a moment about the nationwide chaos, looting, rioting, destruction and rampaging out of control mobs and lack of law enforcement stopping anything that was rampant in many big cities back in 2020. Notice how fast all that suddenly stopped once they had done their job?

Notice how in the new "horrible crime" cities like NYC or Chicago or places in California, the police are powerless to stop criminals...
Right up until the "criminal acts" are something against what the powers that be want, or someone is forcefully defending themselves from crime or tyranny, not being a good little sheep for the slaughter, not cowering to the government...
Police are suddenly front and center to shut it down with maximum force and the DAs and judges magically are suddenly interested in public safety and keeping the "criminals" behind bars.

The Global Elites who are going to make the collapse happen aren't interested in letting a bunch of warlords run around what they consider their private reserves for any longer than it takes to herd the animals where they want them to go.

The plan that has been carried out since long before our grandparents were born, is to one end and one end only.
Enslave the world into a brutal one world government that controls all of humanity, under the "benevolent rule" of the true Global Elites and their religion of worship and obedience of the Illuminated One.

There may very well be a short period of apparent lawlessness and starvation and chaos.
If you want to kill off 6 billion people so you have an easily controlled number of humans left, why do all the hard work yourself?
Have your forces sit back and wait while everybody else does the job for them along with natural causes and such.
Then when it's time, your forces roll out, with all the crazy cool high tech weapons that folks today haven't seen yet
And you have: "Who is like unto the Beast and who is able to make war on Him?"

Unlike the stupid movies and books that are popular, there is no stopping the Evil that has been meticulously planned for centuries and had generations of dedicated adherents working hard to progress. No silly little young misguided person is suddenly going to go into hero mode and by sheer luck happen to defeat all evil.

The Global Elites who worship The Illuminated One, WILL one day have their time in the sun as masters of most of whatever remains of the world.
We may not be the generation that lives to see their plans come to fruition, but more than likely it won't be too far off.


All that being said:

It's inevitable that despite whatever plans you have of doing things for the good of society or humanity, your plan won't turn out any better or different than the Dark ages.

You'll start as a brutal warlord just like everybody would and then become a despotic dictator.
Most likely eventually have some religious leaders eventually team up with you to make sure everybody knows that obeying you is morally the right thing to do. Which you'll accept because it's eventually easier to make a deal with some religious leaders to have them keep the serfs in line, rather than having to murder people all the time and risk eventual overthrow when your elite guards and henchmen get fed up.

Your own opening statement of everybody will do what they are told by me or get killed pretty much is standard for the history of humanity. It's almost unavoidable, everybody who ever tried it with good intentions always wound up the same.

If you read your own plan, it's pretty much the same feudal system, except you are the "benevolent" king and you have your elite guards and everybody does what you say, when you say it or gets killed on the spot. Top down controlled society that in the end will (just like every other time in history) get nowhere special, until it gets moderated into a more civil society where intelligence has a chance to blossom rather than force.
 
Thanks for posting this, I was finally able to read through it all, most interesting part to me, was the the causes leading up to the civil war, and relating it to the US.

What parallels do you see with events in the US and Bosnia before the SHTF?​

US and Yugoslavia (in 1990) on first look do not have anything in common because people are going to say, "The USA cannot have anything similar to any socialistic system."

This is true but only on first look.

Yugoslavia had somewhere around 20-22 million citizens, six republics (similar to states in the US), 3-4 main religions, and many national groups (ethnicity).

The official state policy was to build Yugoslavian "nationality" (from the end of WW1) and through different ways that effort was successful until the 90s.

We were "something big, united through differences with a strong connection to make something big."

And then those differences were used to make chaos.

In the late 80s and beginning of the 90s (when democracy came) the problems started and ended up in series of wars and cases of complete collapse.

Things that I experienced in my case prior to SHTF, and things that you might recognize:

  • Things that make differences between people are more and more problematic (race, religion, political opinion).
  • Polarization is getting obviously stronger.
  • People want to come to your country, but they do not want to "assimilate" or contribute to the greater good. They want to preserve their way of life which is often absolutely contradictory to the way that your country (society) works.
  • The political way of solving those problems often fails, because, in essence, those problems are hard to solve in a democratic way (in the spirit of democracy).
  • Your freedoms are "shrinking" as a result of that.
  • Calls for "radical solutions" for the problems are stronger and stronger.
  • The media is absolutely working a dirty job, and it is hard to find out what is the truth anymore.
  • Suddenly people and events from history are "brought back" so people can judge and argue about it, to write history again, to build myths sometimes.
I've said for 20 years... if you want to see what will happen in the USA if things ever get... sporty... look at the Former Yugoslavia. An advanced, cosmoplitan society. Industrial with a growing tech industry. Good resources. Great 'global position' at the intersection of commerce... Such a great nation that they hosted the winter Olympics... months before imploding.

Now multiply Yugoslavia by 20... both in population and area... and you get to see way things can spin out of control. For seemingly no good reason. Except the reason seemed good enough for people at the time... to turn their nation into a slag heap that they're still digging out and demining.

Can it happen here? You bet. And seems some folks are bound and determined to specifically repeat the circumstances that turned the Balkans inside out.

Well, it's called Balkanization for a reason.

Sirhr
 
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You realize like 99.9% of people
Would starve to death without modern agriculture , food processing, and shipping/trucking right ?
A good portion of my state will be fine. If they don't farm they have been around it at some phase of their life. I'm 2 generations removed and assume I may go back to that way of life before it's over. People adapt.
 
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A good portion of my state will be fine. If they don't farm they have been around it at some phase of their life. I'm 2 generations removed and assume I may go back to that way of life before it's over. People adapt.
Let me know how they do without electricity, fuel , herbicide. Etc



The amount of people that don’t understand anything about modern agriculture versus pre mechanized agriculture is mind boggling.


Literally don’t know what they don’t know
 
Let me know how they do without electricity, fuel , herbicide. Etc



The amount of people that don’t understand anything about modern agriculture versus pre mechanized agriculture is mind boggling.


Literally don’t know what they don’t know

Ask the folks in Sri Lanka how it went when their government took a bunch of money from stupid "woke" westerners and decided to suddenly ban all that "evil chemical fertilizer and pesticide stuff"...
 
Let me know how they do without electricity, fuel , herbicide. Etc



The amount of people that don’t understand anything about modern agriculture versus pre mechanized agriculture is mind boggling.


Literally don’t know what they don’t know
Order your " CHINA " plow, now before its to late !


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Enslave the world into a brutal one world government that controls all of humanity, under the "benevolent rule" of the true Global Elites and their religion of worship and obedience of the Illuminated One.

There may very well be a short period of apparent lawlessness and starvation and chaos.
If you want to kill off 6 billion people so you have an easily controlled number of humans left, why do all the hard work yourself?
Have your forces sit back and wait while everybody else does the job for them along with natural causes and such.
Then when it's time, your forces roll out, with all the crazy cool high tech weapons that folks today haven't seen yet
And you have: "Who is like unto the Beast and who is able to make war on Him?"

Unlike the stupid movies and books that are popular, there is no stopping the Evil that has been meticulously planned for centuries and had generations of dedicated adherents working hard to progress. No silly little young misguided person is suddenly going to go into hero mode and by sheer luck happen to defeat all evil.

The Global Elites who worship The Illuminated One, WILL one day have their time in the sun as masters of most of whatever remains of the world.
We may not be the generation that lives to see their plans come to fruition, but more than likely it won't be too far off.

Yes. IMHO we are just starting to enter the phase of chaos of wars & rumors of wars, famines/starvation, earthquakes/natural disasters, plagues and pestilence, lawlessness that will be eventualy so bad the masses will beg for a unifying entity to provide peace/security and semblance of prosperity (at least food on the table).

The irony is we know (have fore-knowledge!) that someone will appear in "hero mode"; he will calm things down with a treaty/agreements, work a miracle here & there, raise the dead etc. But, we know he will be the AC.

I have one disagreement with you: the timeframe. Just look how quickly things have progressed for them in the last ten years, and they basically have had zero pushback to speak of. I do think it will be in our absolutely ifetimes. Remember, WEF announced they planned to have what is essentially transhumanism by 2026, and by 2030 "we will own nothing". If Daniel's framework is seven years...
 
Yes. IMHO we are just starting to enter the phase of chaos of wars & rumors of wars, famines/starvation, earthquakes/natural disasters, plagues and pestilence, lawlessness that will be eventualy so bad the masses will beg for a unifying entity to provide peace/security and semblance of prosperity (at least food on the table).

The irony is we know (have fore-knowledge!) that someone will appear in "hero mode"; he will calm things down with a treaty/agreements, work a miracle here & there, raise the dead etc. But, we know he will be the AC.

I have one disagreement with you: the timeframe. Just look how quickly things have progressed for them in the last ten years, and they basically have had zero pushback to speak of. I do think it will be in our absolutely ifetimes. Remember, WEF announced they planned to have what is essentially transhumanism by 2026, and by 2030 "we will own nothing". If Daniel's framework is seven years...

I've been waiting for it my whole life for the final act to start.
It would be great if I was able to live to see it.
But I'm not going to be surprised if I don't live to see the curtain come up on the final act.
 
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I have one disagreement with you: the timeframe. Just look how quickly things have progressed for them in the last ten years, and they basically have had zero pushback to speak of. I do think it will be in our absolutely ifetimes

I've been waiting for it my whole life for the final act to start.
It would be great if I was able to live to see it.


In the mouth of three witnesses.

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Pride goeth before a fall

And my own version of a saying from Jesus - each and every day, we live and die by the sword of our own choosing.
 
So you die?

Show of hands, who stands around and starves?

Show of hands, who murders neighbors and kids to prevent starvation?
Especially if you don’t like any of your neighbors because they are all libtard city transplants who complain every time one shoots a squirrel with a .22…

Problem is half them are vegans… so will be all stringy, flavorless and taste vaguely of patchouli.

Well, that’s what spices are for.

Sirhr
 
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Especially if you don’t like any of your neighbors because they are all libtard city transplants who complain every time one shoots a squirrel with a .22…

Problem is half them are vegans… so will be all stringy, flavorless and taste vaguely of patchouli.

Well, that’s what spices are for.

Sirhr
"Did you find him to be a man of taste?"

"No, actually, a bit tough and stringy."

Or, of course, the sheriff eating barbecue in "Fried Green Tomatoes."

"That is the best barbecue I ever tasted."

"The secret's in the sauce."
 
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Corn liquor? You fucking peasant. I make bourbon and the finest vodka you've ever tasted. It's a real pain in the ass to make potato vodka, but a lot easier to grow potatoes than corn, most of which is now GMO and won't regerminate...

That said, all my made liquor, guns, ammo, and grown food won't save me and my family, or yours, at all. All those people who you plan on shooting because you think they're there to steal your stuff are welcome at my HQ. You can stay and eat and enjoy safety, but you are now conscripted into the militia and will follow orders or be shot. Nothing you have is going to beat my numbers and my army, and I will make it as big as possible. You had better believe we'll have a lot of military and their appropriated equipment. Probably tanks and artillery too, because I'm not going to be shooting (most) people. I'm going to be conscripting them, and THAT is how you survive. The rest is a pantomime.
Negan? Is that you?
 
Jasemedical
Jcase.
Yup. You're welcome.
We're almost at that point where all y'all, myself included need to wrap up "every needful thing".