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Political environment keeping you from buying AR15?
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If anything, it makes me want to buy more.
Don't buy anything you are willing to surrender. If you buy it... mean it.
I just had two new bcm uppers arrive today specifically because of all the gun ban talk. I will not comply with any sort of gun confiscation, so the next move is theirs.
You should probably just go drop all your guns off at the police station now with that kind of attitude, you aren’t going to do that 2a cause any good anyway.
Are you like one of those white guys at the blm party?Curious if any of you going through this predicament?
I think it’s an honest question considering the lefts views on “weapons of war”
I’m thinking of another AR build but I wonder if bolt action might be the smart move right now.
imho, it would be easier for them to make it hard to get one than to take one away.
tbh, i had no practical need for a precision gas gun, other than a potential zombie invasion and a big fuck you to gun grabbing asshats.
tbh, i had no practical need for a precision gas gun, other than a potential zombie invasion and a big fuck you to gun grabbing asshats.
Curious if any of you going through this predicament?
I think it’s an honest question considering the lefts views on “weapons of war”
I’m thinking of another AR build but I wonder if bolt action might be the smart move right now.
Yea I didn’t see a need for one either until I finally got one and spent way too much money on it. One of my favorite guns to shoot now.
Sounds like you have given up already. Buy the AR. The more of these that are out there, the harder it is to do anything with. What makes you think they won't be after your bolt gun next because its a "sniper rifle"?
Keeping me from buying? I’ve been doing nothing but buying
Oh man, I knew I would totally get roasted!
Thanks guys!
Thanks guys!
I don’t have a need for any other firearms right now so I haven’t bought anything for a while.
I am however getting accessories and ammunition sorted out for what I have.
I am however getting accessories and ammunition sorted out for what I have.
I always love building a new AR. New cartridge, different weight of rifle, barrel length, use type...
The more I have the less reason they want to come knocking doors down and taking them away.
The more I have the less reason they want to come knocking doors down and taking them away.
Biden is only after the AR14's.
Seriously, they don't have the time or resources to confiscate 30 million ARs. I look for them to fuck with it in the form of taxation or disrupting the ammo flow.
Seriously, they don't have the time or resources to confiscate 30 million ARs. I look for them to fuck with it in the form of taxation or disrupting the ammo flow.
BuffaloWinter's gun. New format has me befuddled... 
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This is Australia we're talkin' about. Do they do fish and chips like the English?
I've spent more this year than in my entire life. lol. Parts for two more builds trickling in now.
To the original question, yes. By this point, my getting more lowers would be overkill, anyway; but investing money into something with such a controversial putative future is probably a bad investment.
...Unless you're made of money; which would not be yours truly.
It would be expensive, but paying a BATFE tax/fee could be an answer to this. A bad one, but still workable.
If my observations are correct, this could all end up becoming a matter for litigation based upon injury to person or property due to illegal action in the Government's part. It's about 'standing', and it's the crux of the legal questions that defeated the Texas lawsuit. In order to have standing one must have already personally experienced injury. Being compelled to pay an illegal tax/fee would be that injury. Anyone else just gets to whistle Dixie; they have no legal standing because they suffered no injury.
It might also be a basis for a class action suit, but I would not favor that. Dismissal of such a suit would disqualify any further suits on the same basis. Better to bring individual suits. Winning one of them would work in the opposite direction, disqualifying government suits on the same basis. It's sorta like getting a checker all the to the other side of the board, making it a king.
Now I'm no lawyer, and my reasoning may be full of holes. Lawyers make their daily bread by creating and using such holes. Having some professional commentary on this post could be beneficial, even if it all just boils down to me being full of it.
There's something about this past year that prompts me to see all of us as just a heap of pawns, to be moved and expended at the whim of people who are rightfully employed to be our servants. I think it's time a few of them felt the figurative lash.
Greg
...Unless you're made of money; which would not be yours truly.
It would be expensive, but paying a BATFE tax/fee could be an answer to this. A bad one, but still workable.
If my observations are correct, this could all end up becoming a matter for litigation based upon injury to person or property due to illegal action in the Government's part. It's about 'standing', and it's the crux of the legal questions that defeated the Texas lawsuit. In order to have standing one must have already personally experienced injury. Being compelled to pay an illegal tax/fee would be that injury. Anyone else just gets to whistle Dixie; they have no legal standing because they suffered no injury.
It might also be a basis for a class action suit, but I would not favor that. Dismissal of such a suit would disqualify any further suits on the same basis. Better to bring individual suits. Winning one of them would work in the opposite direction, disqualifying government suits on the same basis. It's sorta like getting a checker all the to the other side of the board, making it a king.
Now I'm no lawyer, and my reasoning may be full of holes. Lawyers make their daily bread by creating and using such holes. Having some professional commentary on this post could be beneficial, even if it all just boils down to me being full of it.
There's something about this past year that prompts me to see all of us as just a heap of pawns, to be moved and expended at the whim of people who are rightfully employed to be our servants. I think it's time a few of them felt the figurative lash.
Greg
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Curious if any of you going through this predicament?
I think it’s an honest question considering the lefts views on “weapons of war”
I’m thinking of another AR build but I wonder if bolt action might be the smart move right now.
I have not read this thread so I am responding to the OP. I have to admit part of my brain want to sell mine. Most of my brain see this as a losing battle with my side a bunch of self involved, narcissistic little panic buying school girls. I hang my head in shame to be part of such a group in such an important fight.
A group who purports to be fighting for our god given, inalienable, enumerated constitutionally reaffirmed civil rights.
K pop teen girls are more feared politically than gun owners. I think of my Uncle who died on a mountain in Italy by Nazi soldiers fighting for our rights, having barely reached adulthood and the shame is almost unbearable.
I have four and would build another if I needed another AR15 caliber.
Now I'm just focusing on reloading components where they become available. I think that and ammo is where the bedwetters are going to try to strike.
Now I'm just focusing on reloading components where they become available. I think that and ammo is where the bedwetters are going to try to strike.
I live in California and have been building as much as I can reasonably afford to while I still can. There will be plenty of time to buy bolt and lever actions later, but if something stops me from building more ARs in the future, I don't want to kick myself for not building when I could have. Which is why I'm finally getting around to finishing the Mk12 Mod 0 inspired build that I've always wanted. Either way, I'll have enough on-hand for me, my wife, and our immediate family. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
Don't mean to get too political here but remember what was the genesis of both Ruby Ridge and Branch Davidian standoffs - attempts by police to serve warrants on/arrest members for firearms violations. If you seriously think gun confiscation is a viable alternative in the U.S. would do well to study these two incidents. Anyone who spends any time around people who own and enjoy shooting firearms knows people who are not going to meekly surrender their firearms if instructed to do so by the feds. Many of these people are better armed and more proficient with firearms than the local PD. And an awful lot of police officers tend to be supporters of the second amendment themselves and will not be particularly enthusiastic about risking their lives to confiscate guns from their fellow citizens.
That's to say nothing of the economic cost of reimbursing gun owners for any property the government seizes. Fifth Amendment requires due process and just compensation if the government attempts to seize private property for public use. How many AR15's are in civilian hands today? Let's say 10 million (I suspect it's more). Assume fair market value of an AR15 is $500 (pretty conservative). That's five billion dollars the U.S. would have to spend to confiscate all these guns. And the end result is zero increase in public safety. In fact, I recently saw a statistic that in 2018 more people were killed with hammers than with AR15's. The bottom line - despite what Beto O'Rourke may think, confiscation won't work in this country.
However, a ban on future sales of "assault" weapons? Prohibiting braces (and possibly making them retroactively illegal). Prohibiting future SBR's (or increasing the cost of a tax stamp tenfold). A tax on ammo. Registration of all firearms with the ATF. All of those are very real possibilities - particularly if Dems get control of the Senate.
All I can tell you is that I used to live in MA and thanks to changes unilaterally imposed by our state AG I was able to sell several guns (which had thousands of rounds through them) for twice what I paid for them. Have almost never regretted buying a gun and certainly never regretted buying ammo when it was relatively cheap and plentiful. Just saying.
That's to say nothing of the economic cost of reimbursing gun owners for any property the government seizes. Fifth Amendment requires due process and just compensation if the government attempts to seize private property for public use. How many AR15's are in civilian hands today? Let's say 10 million (I suspect it's more). Assume fair market value of an AR15 is $500 (pretty conservative). That's five billion dollars the U.S. would have to spend to confiscate all these guns. And the end result is zero increase in public safety. In fact, I recently saw a statistic that in 2018 more people were killed with hammers than with AR15's. The bottom line - despite what Beto O'Rourke may think, confiscation won't work in this country.
However, a ban on future sales of "assault" weapons? Prohibiting braces (and possibly making them retroactively illegal). Prohibiting future SBR's (or increasing the cost of a tax stamp tenfold). A tax on ammo. Registration of all firearms with the ATF. All of those are very real possibilities - particularly if Dems get control of the Senate.
All I can tell you is that I used to live in MA and thanks to changes unilaterally imposed by our state AG I was able to sell several guns (which had thousands of rounds through them) for twice what I paid for them. Have almost never regretted buying a gun and certainly never regretted buying ammo when it was relatively cheap and plentiful. Just saying.
There’s one more option.. sponsor a ar for a Arless soldier. Plenty have taken the oath but currently don’t have a plain Jane ar
For just pennies a day, less than a cup of coffee, you too can help Sponsor a needy soldier and put a tool in his hand he has been trained on.
Thousands of soldiers every day are waking up without there basic needs being met. They have no ar, they have a hard time holding on to hope of one day feeling that warm gun feeling again and knowing they just honored their oath. They may not be the one to shoot the next shot heard round the world but every soldier you sponsor is one less soldier lost to unconstitutional actions.
Each sponsored soldier will send monthly pictures, paper silhouette targets so you can monitor their progress, and hand written letters.
*Marine, Infantry Grunts, and a few other groups will have letters sensored for profanity and rewritten if found illegible or in crayon.*
For just pennies a day, less than a cup of coffee, you too can help Sponsor a needy soldier and put a tool in his hand he has been trained on.
Thousands of soldiers every day are waking up without there basic needs being met. They have no ar, they have a hard time holding on to hope of one day feeling that warm gun feeling again and knowing they just honored their oath. They may not be the one to shoot the next shot heard round the world but every soldier you sponsor is one less soldier lost to unconstitutional actions.
Each sponsored soldier will send monthly pictures, paper silhouette targets so you can monitor their progress, and hand written letters.
*Marine, Infantry Grunts, and a few other groups will have letters sensored for profanity and rewritten if found illegible or in crayon.*
Haw hawCurious if any of you going through this predicament?
I think it’s an honest question considering the lefts views on “weapons of war”
I’m thinking of another AR build but I wonder if bolt action might be the smart move right now.
You're funny.
I've actually bought more parts and other bullshit in the last 3 month than I ever have in my life.
You’re assuming that enough soldiers, police, healthcare workers, local government, and critical infrastructure have survived COVID-21.
Gotta think in strategic phases of a very well-orchestrated plan that has been laid out for many decades.
Most civilians who own AR-15s can’t even execute a single bound in individual movement techniques without an excessively-elevated heart rate. This includes half of the guys who have spent thousands of dollars on courses with all the recognized trainers.
We’re into the 2nd generation of an obesity epidemic among children, while one of the major segregators for military service is failure to meet height/weight standards (and that’s after they’ve been relaxed).
Armored vehicles chuckle at you with your AR-15 as they come in after full drone ISR reconnaissance and targeting of your location, once your neighbors have dimed you out for being a "right-winger” or Trump-supporter crazy, if they don’t have mosaic data on you already, complete with your photo embedded locations enabled with geocoordinates.
ATF rolling up in Bearcats won’t fear AR-15s or anything shoulder-fired that isn’t heavily-regulated since 1934. We only have a few tiny scraps of our rights left over.
Gotta think in strategic phases of a very well-orchestrated plan that has been laid out for many decades.
Most civilians who own AR-15s can’t even execute a single bound in individual movement techniques without an excessively-elevated heart rate. This includes half of the guys who have spent thousands of dollars on courses with all the recognized trainers.
We’re into the 2nd generation of an obesity epidemic among children, while one of the major segregators for military service is failure to meet height/weight standards (and that’s after they’ve been relaxed).
Armored vehicles chuckle at you with your AR-15 as they come in after full drone ISR reconnaissance and targeting of your location, once your neighbors have dimed you out for being a "right-winger” or Trump-supporter crazy, if they don’t have mosaic data on you already, complete with your photo embedded locations enabled with geocoordinates.
ATF rolling up in Bearcats won’t fear AR-15s or anything shoulder-fired that isn’t heavily-regulated since 1934. We only have a few tiny scraps of our rights left over.
*laughing in Taliban and Viet Cong*
It will take hours and hours and hours to deal with one non-compliant asshole in one house who refuses to come out, negotiating, etc, etc... let alone a two-way range.
Vietcong, NVA, and the Viet militias were very physically-fit. No obesity epidemic there, and spent most of their time outside working, carrying things, pushing bicycles full of rice bags, mortar rounds, digging and filling-in craters, squatting while picking rice, etc.
Taliban are acclimated to the mountains and go up and down the trails like goats, fighting rival tribes and armies all their known lives.
Nobody needs to mess with negotiating with you in your home or whatever position you’ve run to. Solving that tactical problem is as easy as it was thousands of years ago, and ANTIFA has been practicing it at most of their recent attacks.
Vietcong, NVA, and the Viet militias were very physically-fit. No obesity epidemic there, and spent most of their time outside working, carrying things, pushing bicycles full of rice bags, mortar rounds, digging and filling-in craters, squatting while picking rice, etc.
Taliban are acclimated to the mountains and go up and down the trails like goats, fighting rival tribes and armies all their known lives.
Nobody needs to mess with negotiating with you in your home or whatever position you’ve run to. Solving that tactical problem is as easy as it was thousands of years ago, and ANTIFA has been practicing it at most of their recent attacks.
Dear god a glimmer of sanity. Thank you.........
If your plan is running to the doors or windows with your AR-15 to defend your home while a numerically-superior force with more weapons, armor, and support is coming to get you, you need another plan.
That plan won’t even work with the ANTIFA cells that will have your CCW permit data, DL, license plates, daily commute route via google maps, embedded image location tagged to your firearms, etc.
When a raid force picks the time of the attack and knows more about you than you do them, even dummies led by a half-competent cell leader will make short work of you and your family, and it will be brutal.
That plan won’t even work with the ANTIFA cells that will have your CCW permit data, DL, license plates, daily commute route via google maps, embedded image location tagged to your firearms, etc.
When a raid force picks the time of the attack and knows more about you than you do them, even dummies led by a half-competent cell leader will make short work of you and your family, and it will be brutal.
I understand and agree with your point. The vast majority of gun owners are fatbodies. But, it only takes a couple percent (maybe 3%?) to push back.Vietcong, NVA, and the Viet militias were very physically-fit. No obesity epidemic there, and spent most of their time outside working, carrying things, pushing bicycles full of rice bags, mortar rounds, digging and filling-in craters, squatting while picking rice, etc.
Taliban are acclimated to the mountains and go up and down the trails like goats, fighting rival tribes and armies all their known lives.
Nobody needs to mess with negotiating with you in your home or whatever position you’ve run to. Solving that tactical problem is as easy as it was thousands of years ago, and ANTIFA has been practicing it at most of their recent attacks.
Only time will tell.
True story. But, if the true threat is roving bands of Antifa, then I would pray LE would be on the side of the targeted, not the targeters.
My great aunt, who was a beautiful young woman during the War in Finland, was abducted, raped, and thrown into the Baltic Sea. My grandfather went to go ID the body later, as he was serving in the Finnish Army.
One of my great uncles went missing during the interim period between the Winter War and Continuation War. Never saw him again.
I think they had it easy compared to what has been planned for us because Stalin wasn’t able to successfully take Finland as planned, as he had to worry about Germany more. You could ask the Poles, Czechs, Estonians, Hungarians, Ukrainians, Romanians, Bulgarians, and East Germans how the war went for them. Not many survivors from those atrocities though.
One of my great uncles went missing during the interim period between the Winter War and Continuation War. Never saw him again.
I think they had it easy compared to what has been planned for us because Stalin wasn’t able to successfully take Finland as planned, as he had to worry about Germany more. You could ask the Poles, Czechs, Estonians, Hungarians, Ukrainians, Romanians, Bulgarians, and East Germans how the war went for them. Not many survivors from those atrocities though.
Out of curiosity, what have you done today to fight for and retain your rights. All I see is more complaining on the internet.
I’m in better shape now then when I was kicking in doors for the gov. And I am not bound by following orders or Geneva convention when the time comes. America was built by underdogs for underdogs.
We're saying the same things with different words. I too am a fan of history and looking at our dynamics and overlaying the issues in Yugoslavia, Spanish Civil War, our Civil War, etc...
I do believe those were tame compared to what it would look if the same thing happened (again) here.
In every communist revolution and the Nazi takeover, after an election is rigged to bring in the new power at the head of government, police and military are ordered to protect critical infrastructure.
As that is happening, roving bands of terrorist cells, primarily composed of agitated youths, start their campaign in the countryside on soft targets to build confidence and operational finesse, usually on the elderly or single parent families where raping, torture, and murder are the easiest.
They are often rewarded with narcotics, told what a great job they are doing for the revolution, making these capitalist scum pay for their crimes, and emboldened for the next objective.
They collapse on the cities after recruiting enough muscle and acquiring more weapons until they have more company and battalion-size elements to be able to overcome the police and military, who are still under orders to basically do static security.
Meanwhile, generals in the military who show any hint of not being revolution supporters are summarily executed in front of the others and replaced with yes-men. Same with police.
It has literally been done like this every time.
If you don’t have the right plan, your AR-15s and ammo will feed the revolutionaries after they have taken them off of your mutilated corpse, after forcing you to watch them rape your wife, daughters, and sons. They might recruit your children into the movement if they see potential for them, once you and your wife have been slaughtered like sheep. This kind of thing happens in Africa all the time.
The fallacy of wait till you lose, THEN fight, has been a flawed strategy from the get-go.
Communist revolutionaries penetrate the intelligence and partisan cells of the targeted nation, then wipe those people out in-advance of the major military campaigns, which are staged with role-players who have banners and information warfare tools to make it look like the people are happy when the tanks or marching soldiers come in. “Thank you for liberating us from the dog-faced fascists and capitalists! Long live the worker’s party!"
In addition to fulfilling your Constitutional duty as an able-bodied American of war-fighting age, who keeps and bears arms for the defense of family, community, and State, you also need to well-regulate your fighting abilities with your neighbors and have your own network.
