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Maggie’s Pork shutdown
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With all the wild hogs we have here in TX, someone might just trade you a 50 rd. box of CCI .22 stingers. LOL
It's owned by the Chinese. I feel bad for all the employees, but fuck China.
Hang on to that ham... It will triple in price by the 4th of July, 2020... as the supply chain dries up.
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The MK18 got 6 hogs this morning...I gave away five of them to neighbors.
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True. A Smithfield plant 100 mi. north of here has closed. A JBS beef plant 100 Mi. west of here is infected. Testing of employees is running 35% positive. Tyson beef plant near here has 2 positives. This is not going to end well if it continues.
i dont think its as big of a problem as we think
i believe we will still process food (as long as the cows dont start dying etc) its the packaging and distribution that may be a issue
residential food stores are not used to receiving/being shipped to in bulk like a supply house for restaurants and such
once the reconfigure the packaging and distribution, as they have been trying i think we will have a over abundance like we do with milk.
no restaurants and schools has farmers pouring milk down the drain
i believe we will still process food (as long as the cows dont start dying etc) its the packaging and distribution that may be a issue
residential food stores are not used to receiving/being shipped to in bulk like a supply house for restaurants and such
once the reconfigure the packaging and distribution, as they have been trying i think we will have a over abundance like we do with milk.
no restaurants and schools has farmers pouring milk down the drain
There will be hogs and steers still out there but Texas heat would make a pain to get a steer done fast enough.
Once quartered my wife is good with a knife.
Some small butchers are going to get rich soon.
Once quartered my wife is good with a knife.
Some small butchers are going to get rich soon.
Depends on how much help you have. A sharp knife is the only real nessecity, though it's nice to have a few other things.
I big ol' bandsaw and/or a reciprocating saw will help, too.
I watched a really nice video on YouTube once where a guy broke down a whole side of beef. Was about 45 minutes or an hour, I think, but it was extremely informative.
I watched a really nice video on YouTube once where a guy broke down a whole side of beef. Was about 45 minutes or an hour, I think, but it was extremely informative.
great point, although, local butchers have always made bank. the are always busy. im looking for one now to do some work
Here in New Mexico, they are only limiting eggs and milk at the grocery stores. But meat is soon going to be on that limit list. Poaching pronghorn may be a solution.
Time is relevent to your skills, help and eqipment.
Field dressing a white tail deer is about 15 minutes for an old guy with a helper on the ground, short knife and a longer blade.
Once cooled and hung, skinning quartering and stripping carcase placing on ice 1/2 hour for me on a good day. Proper lighting and a battery operated saws all help.
I have seen well trained and well practiced experts accomplish all this in less than 10 minutes.
Like I said I'm old.
150lb wild hog much the same except
Except skinned immediately for good flavor.
There are methods of dressing out wild hogs that don't entail gutting them, I have not yet done that but want to try it.
Now consider a 800-900lb steer don't know if my block and tackle are strong enough or the limb on my pecan tree iether.
Thats for starters.
Field dressing a white tail deer is about 15 minutes for an old guy with a helper on the ground, short knife and a longer blade.
Once cooled and hung, skinning quartering and stripping carcase placing on ice 1/2 hour for me on a good day. Proper lighting and a battery operated saws all help.
I have seen well trained and well practiced experts accomplish all this in less than 10 minutes.
Like I said I'm old.
150lb wild hog much the same except
Except skinned immediately for good flavor.
There are methods of dressing out wild hogs that don't entail gutting them, I have not yet done that but want to try it.
Now consider a 800-900lb steer don't know if my block and tackle are strong enough or the limb on my pecan tree iether.
Thats for starters.
One to two weeks.
A way to keep it a little over freezing for that long (but not soaking in a cooler).
beef needs to hang 10 days in a cooler for the best results before cutting up and if u want exceptional, let it hang 30 days
I have a cousin who does contract feeding so I gave him a call and right now there are 4500 head in 12 pens on his feedlot. He's very concerned that if the Tyson plant stops buying the only option is maintenance feeding which will lose money every day. Or he will sell to people who can take them to a locker but there are only 3 within 40 miles. 3 of us have gotten together many times and butchered a steer in an afternoon. First you need to cool it down which is an issue but we have a walk in cooler that most people don't have access to. After a few days in the cooler you break it into the cuts you want with a band saw and knives. Dealing with the trim for burger you need a good grinder and packaging materials. Everybody thinks they're a butcher until a 1200# animal hits the ground. But what do I know I'm just a dumbass country guy.
Thanks.
Most of my beef knowledge is from the mid 1960's and not up to par.
I have learned how to cook better since then.
I have not seen a brisket in the store for weeks, hope they are not grinding them.
One large chain grocery has been grinding steaks into burger.
BLASTFAMY !
How we roll.
Maybe not for long.
Most of my beef knowledge is from the mid 1960's and not up to par.
I have learned how to cook better since then.
I have not seen a brisket in the store for weeks, hope they are not grinding them.
One large chain grocery has been grinding steaks into burger.
BLASTFAMY !
How we roll.
Maybe not for long.
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I put a half of beef in the freezer about a month ago........momma and I will be fine, I did tell her to buy some pork......
We haven't noticed a shortage. Between my wife and me we took 6 deer last season, and just put turkey #3 in the bag.
Grocery stores are not where we get meat, except the occasional chicken. I haven't found a place to hunt chickens.
Grocery stores are not where we get meat, except the occasional chicken. I haven't found a place to hunt chickens.
Cause Angus are crazy as fuck. Hereford are generally laid back.
Our feedlot has 500 cows in it...some heifers, some old gummers. Some red, mostly black angus. All have been going to DemKota..the majority ground for burger. At least that's what they pay us for...I'm pretty sure the nice young heifers are cut into ribeyes but there's no way they'd pay us for it.
We've had a couple this summer that got a limp and we knew if we hauled her to plant the inspector wouldn't let it thru. 1670 lbs on the hoof. Pulled my Kimber 9mm out..popped her in the noggin, and two hours later she was hanging in the freezer in halves.
If anybody in eastern SD wants a cow, I'm sure for 2 bucks a lb we'd sell you a nice corn fed young one. Take it to your locker of choice. PM me if interested.
We've had a couple this summer that got a limp and we knew if we hauled her to plant the inspector wouldn't let it thru. 1670 lbs on the hoof. Pulled my Kimber 9mm out..popped her in the noggin, and two hours later she was hanging in the freezer in halves.
If anybody in eastern SD wants a cow, I'm sure for 2 bucks a lb we'd sell you a nice corn fed young one. Take it to your locker of choice. PM me if interested.
Oh and as many domestic meat hogs , whatever weight you want..I can hook you up. I am affiliated with a hog operation that sells around 25000 pigs a year to the Smithfield plant that closed.
Lol.....that's not true. My boys show Angus and Red Angus heifers. They are always puppy dogs. The exotic and french breeds are the more difficult to handle. A lot of people think Brahman are stupid. Quite the opposite. They do have a larger flight zone than English breeds, but in a lot of ways are actually smarter.
If you all didn't already know, the price at the grocery stores is terrible high, yet it is not getting to the producer. Average profit for the packers is $400-$500 per head. The producer is not getting paid. This market is breaking your local rancher and it is all driven by packer greed and manipulation. Four companies own 81% of the beef packing in the U.S. A good chunk of that is JBS who is owned by the Bastita. Corrupt Brazilian family. This is devestating bad. Kansas State economist came out yesterday and projected beef industry losses of 13.6 BILLION. That won't be the packers, but family farmer and ranchers. They are only picking up the cattle they own and flat refusing to bid on all other cattle. They argue that they are offering what the future markets are at, yet those future markets were driven down by Corona and oil market scares, NOT DEMAND. Demand actually went up. You saw that at your grocery counter.
I was talking about this today.
Trump should loan out the money to build brand spanking new plants and hire Americans.
Win win
Employees should go to smithfield plant, open it up and if China has anything to say about it, hang their overseer on a hook and send him down the lone with the piggies !
Foreigners who close food plants? Don’t get to own food plants. Declare it a strategic asset, auction it to an American company that will run it. Done.
Why do you think there is a company called American Bosch? You think the USA was going to allow Imperial Germany to control magneto production in WWI?
And when this is all over... buy American!!! We don’t need tariffs if consumers say “fuck no” to products made in China. Cut the demand and the product goes away.
We need a GIANT “buy American” campaign when this is done.
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This is the chart for April Live cattle (Fats).
April is currently the spot month and will be coming off soon as we move to the next month. It shows before the pandemic that the price for cattle out of the feedyard for a packer to buy was at $1.27 per pound. After the pandemic we are at $.965. That is based off of a 1200 lbs. animal. Roughly a $366.00 margin increase to the packer who already had large margins. Demand increased, not decreased. The panic and selling off of the futures because beef is percieved as a luxury and tied to the stock market.
Now my tin foil hat time: The Live Cattle and Feeder pits in Chicago have small volumes compared to other trading pits. JBS is owned by the Brazilian family Batista's. They are corrupt to the core. So much their own country has prosecuted them and they have been under investigation for massive saftey allegations.
The swashbuckling meat tycoons who nearly brought down a government
How the strange case of a former president secretly taped by industry executives revealed where power lies in Brazil
www.theguardian.com
JBS: The Brazilian butchers who took over the world
The world's biggest meat company has the power to impact climate change and openly admits to corruption, yet you've probably never heard of it
www.thebureauinvestigates.com
JBS, World's Largest Meat Company, Mired In Multiple Corruption Scandals In Brazil
It has been a rough few months for the world’s largest meat company. Known for its rapid expansion across the globe, Brazil-based meatpacking giant JBS...
www.kunc.org
What is to stop JBS from manipulating the futures price to create opportunity in the cash price. As pandemic scares happen the volume of investors becomes less. Funds remove them selves and an individual buy or sell bid has a larger market share in price discovery on the futures board. JBS sees opportunity and leverages the futures board and takes advantage of the producer.
Bottom line is that we are screwed. The ranchers animals are perishable. They cannot just be held on to. It is a cycle of animals constantly moving in and moving out.
Sorry to take over, but this is very serious for the consumer and the survival of the producer.
Let me add some more conspiracy theories.
When Trump started his trade war with China, they quit buying U.S. soybeans. Where did they go for their soybean needs?
Brazil!
www.bloomberg.com
Not only did they subsitute Brazilian soybeans. China invested in the Brazilian infustructure to supply them soybeans.
www.maritime-executive.com
I truley believe all of this is calculated trade war. Including the Russia / Saudi oil fiasco.
The world wants to bring the U.S. to it's knees.
Trump and the trade war were just dealt a calculated, organized blow.
When Trump started his trade war with China, they quit buying U.S. soybeans. Where did they go for their soybean needs?
Brazil!
China Buys Brazilian Soybeans Before Trade Deal With U.S.
China is picking up soybean cargoes in Brazil, dashing hopes for big American sales immediately after a partial trade deal is signed with the U.S. next week, according to people familiar with the matter.
www.bloomberg.com
Not only did they subsitute Brazilian soybeans. China invested in the Brazilian infustructure to supply them soybeans.
China Plans $1B Port Investment in Brazil
During a visit by Chinese President Xi Jinping to Brasilia this week, China is expected to announce...
www.maritime-executive.com
I truley believe all of this is calculated trade war. Including the Russia / Saudi oil fiasco.
The world wants to bring the U.S. to it's knees.
Trump and the trade war were just dealt a calculated, organized blow.
Some. I have a buddy who runs a feedlot and is contracted by American Food Group who owns all the cattle. They buy em and have em shipped to this feedyard to get fattened. They then get shipped to their own packing plant. They buy the crop off his surrounding land when he plants it. All he does is feed cattle.
Yes. It is called Captive Supply. The packer should have never been allowed to own or contract cattle. They should be bidding cash on all cattle ready at the feeedyard. Captive Supply is a huge problem for marketing and Price Discovery.
In fact JBS owned Five Rivers Feeding until just recently. They had over 1,000,000 head capacity across the U.S. on average a feedyard will turn over 3 times in a calendar year. For JBS that was over 3,000,000 head annually.
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All large scale poultry here is contract. If a producer puts back required future improvement costs, they aren't much more than beak even long term.
I truely believe that is the goal and end game for the rancher by the packer. They have been pushing vertical intergration for years now. NCBA and universities meat departments have been streamling the beef industry. The more efficient our herds become, the less risk is involved. Then walks in the packers who have total control over the market outlets. It will become "do it our way for us, or don't do it at all". You can kiss your free market goodbye.
While what you say may be 'accurate' and all, I still hate it. I've got cattle ranchers in the family, and it truly pisses me off to see the "price per pound" that they get at auction, compared with the "price per pound" on the shelf at the supermarket. It is THIEVERY, right there. Especially considering what I know of as the work/effort that they put in every day of the year in the care of their herds. Huge responsibility, with no "sick-days" or "holidays" or "phone-in-sick" or "I'll decide to sleep in...."
And the only "tech support" they get, is IF the vet is willing to attempt to diagnose/prescribe over the phone... and that's ONLY after years of working with them.
I too much prefer to hand the cash directly to the rancher. They are FAR more grateful at that, big time.
Tree huggin city slickers will be visiting the ranchers and farmers soon. They will have to face the reality that their beef/chicken/veggies don’t come from the grocery store. Maybe even get their hands dirty.
Aldo Leopold insisted that before you get to be a conservationist you have to do two things 1) Heat your home with wood that you harvested for a year 2) Feed yourself off the land for a year.
Aldo Leopold insisted that before you get to be a conservationist you have to do two things 1) Heat your home with wood that you harvested for a year 2) Feed yourself off the land for a year.
Thank you for the kind words. It is good to know that others appreciate what we do. I can promise you this......it is truely a love for what we do. Even during the tough times taking care of my bovines makes me happy. Even when they run over you in a sorting alley. Lol
So is it right to figure that this will have people building independent butcher shops and contracting small producers?
The money needs to be spread more evenly for services preformed.
Foriegn interests need removed by whatever means expedient.
The price of beef at the counter is too high and price paid to rancher too low.
The money needs to be spread more evenly for services preformed.
Foriegn interests need removed by whatever means expedient.
The price of beef at the counter is too high and price paid to rancher too low.
IDK. I would like to think we would head that way. If nothing else the consolidation of our food supply is proving that it is also a National Security Risk. Food isn't the only issue. Fertliizer, seed, chemicals, parts, etc. The Walmart scenario for everything we need is not good when it comes under threat or greed.
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