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If I understand your comment correctly, I tend to think that this isn’t the case, but I have no problem believing AI and deepfake efforts will be in the mix as SOME of the signs and wonders. There are two beasts listed in Revelation 13:

1. The first is a group of nations or leaders that rise up against Christ. This is the war machine essentially. It is made clear that these participants are human and are killed. The leader of this assembly is the antichrist and also referred to as the beast. He gets thrown into hell, so he will be a living person with a soul. Whether or not he is networked with AI in some fashion, I have no idea. I’m not going to doubt it. But it is clear that the antichrist is judged and punished for his sins, not what an AI program would tell him to do.

2. The false prophet (aka the antiprophet). The false prophet gets thrown into hell with the antichrist, so he must be a real figure - AI machines have no souls and therefore don’t need to cast into the pit. They just need to be destroyed.

What’s really a wake up call is that we now have the technology to strongly assist what will play out. I have no doubt AI will be a part of it, if for no other reason than to control the narrative. But then there’s the whole neural link issue and it’s potential to control large swathes of the population.

The AI program is literally "posessed" and theoretically a "living" machine. A machine built by....man. man is a God, having created "life".

Lots of "beasts" in Revelation. The one that gives all of them power is AI. They will derive their bower from it, especially the antichrist. For all I know Musk is connected to it all in some way, him Gates, or Jobs fit the profile. Jobs is dead.
One of the main players is very likely to be a tech guru. My money is on the definitive of that theory.
Its a theory.
It is clear that the "power" the Beast has is quite a worldwide phenomenon.
Imagine John seeing our age and our tech.
 
The AI program is literally "posessed" and theoretically a "living" machine. A machine built by....man. man is a God, having created "life".

Lots of "beasts" in Revelation. The one that gives all of them power is AI. They will derive their bower from it, especially the antichrist. For all I know Musk is connected to it all in some way, him Gates, or Jobs fit the profile. Jobs is dead.
One of the main players is very likely to be a tech guru. My money is on the definitive of that theory.
Its a theory.
It is clear that the "power" the Beast has is quite a worldwide phenomenon.
Imagine John seeing our age and our tech.

But won't the Antichrist rise up from obscurity? I don't disagree with the transhumanism connection though.
 
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All this talk about beasts, god, lucifer, angels, bibles, makes me wanna ask some pretty blunt questions.

Yall really think the current state of the world, babies born with horrific disease, rape, starvation, slavery, murder, greed, and just flat out evil motherfuckers is the work of a supreme being?
If we are created in gods image, then all of the above listed evil acts are acceptable to god. I cant accept the idea of god creating us in his image, then when all the fucked up shit happen send us to some (Special Place) to burn and suffer for eternity for shit that hes allowing to happen.
 
Yall really think the current state of the world, babies born with horrific disease, rape, starvation, slavery, murder, greed, and just flat out evil motherfuckers is the work of a supreme being?
Fights are about principalities. Yes, the source, powerful individual, is real that influences people.
If we are created in gods image, then all of the above listed evil acts are acceptable to god. I cant accept the idea of god creating us in his image,
He made us in His image, but gave us free will to obey His Word or not.

I cant accept the idea of god creating us in his image, then when all the fucked up shit happen send us to some (Special Place) to burn and suffer for eternity for shit that hes allowing to happen.
I want to be open and not put you off. Despite doing some evil, vile, despicable things, literally anyone, ANYONE at all, can get their slate wiped free, get a "get out of hell" free card, just by accepting Jesus and letting grace do its thing. All those sins were paid for. Grace is the key, not works. So it is a bit of a game, I get it, but its easy to win!
 
All this talk about beasts, god, lucifer, angels, bibles, makes me wanna ask some pretty blunt questions.

Yall really think the current state of the world, babies born with horrific disease, rape, starvation, slavery, murder, greed, and just flat out evil motherfuckers is the work of a supreme being?
If we are created in gods image, then all of the above listed evil acts are acceptable to god. I cant accept the idea of god creating us in his image, then when all the fucked up shit happen send us to some (Special Place) to burn and suffer for eternity for shit that hes allowing to happen.

God did not create any of those things. Man's sin did.

All these beasts and lucifers, and devils and evil people you reference? They believe in a Supreme being and have the idea that they will tear down that mean old God that allows all this, along with his creation.

I started not to respond at all, because the above post is bait to argue theology.

We aren't debating or arguing philosophy or religion in any of our posts.
The posts about your references aren't argumentative, simply put they are informative and require no faith. There is ample physical evidence that has been referenced.

I get some folks are mad at God cause he isn't "fixing" things up and tucking us into our little world.
I've been mad as hell at God, its human nature. Even great prophets have had moments of anger at the Creator. This doesn't mean man has a better plan.

How bout some of those plans that man has for fixing all those horrible things that happen? How's that going for us?
Don't fret. That beast dude and the dragon and the false prophet, and the worlds messiah have a plan to fix it all. Lots of folks are gonna love the plan and kill billions to make it a reality.
 
Fights are about principalities. Yes, the source, powerful individual, is real that influences people.

He made us in His image, but gave us free will to obey His Word or not.


I want to be open and not put you off. Despite doing some evil, vile, despicable things, literally anyone, ANYONE at all, can get their slate wiped free, get a "get out of hell" free card, just by accepting the right order and accept Jesus and grace. Grace is the key, not works. So it is a bit of a game, I get it, but its easy to win!
I understand, and as awkward as my earlier post may seem, I DO believe in a higher power. I just feel that (we) as a human species are missing something. Theres gotta be more than some all powerful invisible being that thought to itself, (Hey I should create something from nothing, because I dont like nothing, and its impossible to have nothing, because if nothing exists, then something cant be created)
So from nothing, he created everything, and then wasnt happy. So he then created us??? Are we the best he can do? I mean, technically we are 1 step under a god right? We should be some badass motherfuckers. But we literally cant do ANYTHING they can do. We cant fly, we cant walk on water, we cant make things happen with just our minds, we cant even go a few days without food and water!!! If the temperature gets a few degrees warmer, we sweat our ass off, if a few cooler, we have to wear sweaters. If you ask me, its as if he made us in his OPPOSITE image.

I really believe theres WAY more to this story than what a book that was incorrectly translated to begin with tells us.
 
All this talk about beasts, god, lucifer, angels, bibles, makes me wanna ask some pretty blunt questions.

Yall really think the current state of the world, babies born with horrific disease, rape, starvation, slavery, murder, greed, and just flat out evil motherfuckers is the work of a supreme being?
If we are created in gods image, then all of the above listed evil acts are acceptable to god. I cant accept the idea of god creating us in his image, then when all the fucked up shit happen send us to some (Special Place) to burn and suffer for eternity for shit that hes allowing to happen.
It does not matter if you do not believe in it.

Because they believe in it.


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But won't the Antichrist rise up from obscurity? I don't disagree with the transhumanism connection though.
I dont think we know about or have seen the AC. I think they are pretty openly talk about him now. When Obama gave his speech where he referenced himself as a voice crying in the wilderness, that was not a coincidence. I remember it well cause it made my skin crawl.. That SOB has seen him and knows exactly who he is.He knew that many thought him to be the AC.
Yes, I think he will appear at our darkest hour.
All the other players have seen him though.
 
I understand, and as awkward as my earlier post may seem, I DO believe in a higher power. I just feel that (we) as a human species are missing something. Theres gotta be more than some all powerful invisible being that thought to itself, (Hey I should create something from nothing, because I dont like nothing, and its impossible to have nothing, because if nothing exists, then something cant be created)
So from nothing, he created everything, and then wasnt happy. So he then created us??? Are we the best he can do? I mean, technically we are 1 step under a god right? We should be some badass motherfuckers. But we literally cant do ANYTHING they can do. We cant fly, we cant walk on water, we cant make things happen with just our minds, we cant even go a few days without food and water!!! If the temperature gets a few degrees warmer, we sweat our ass off, if a few cooler, we have to wear sweaters. If you ask me, its as if he made us in his OPPOSITE image.

I really believe theres WAY more to this story than what a book that was incorrectly translated to begin with tells us.

I think there may be things we just don't understand that are out there (like multiple dimensions); nope we don't have that knowledge, we shouldn't because look what happens when some people do acquire that through black arts. That knowledge was given when the fallen angels mated with human women, they were the ones taught the black arts. Not going to pretend I know answers to all your questions. I'll take the simpleton approach.
 
Whos gonna tell every single human that has existed before 2000 years ago that they were born too early and missed out on all this salvation? Can you really fathom how many humans have existed before the bible? All the murder and evil acts before the first person read the bible are automatically forgiven?

I know my responses may sound sarcastic... But Id really love to hear real answers. And by no means am i trying to insult anyone. If its taken that way I will personally apologize to you.
 
I understand, and as awkward as my earlier post may seem, I DO believe in a higher power. I just feel that (we) as a human species are missing something. Theres gotta be more than some all powerful invisible being that thought to itself, (Hey I should create something from nothing, because I dont like nothing, and its impossible to have nothing, because if nothing exists, then something cant be created)
So from nothing, he created everything, and then wasnt happy. So he then created us??? Are we the best he can do? I mean, technically we are 1 step under a god right? We should be some badass motherfuckers. But we literally cant do ANYTHING they can do. We cant fly, we cant walk on water, we cant make things happen with just our minds, we cant even go a few days without food and water!!! If the temperature gets a few degrees warmer, we sweat our ass off, if a few cooler, we have to wear sweaters. If you ask me, its as if he made us in his OPPOSITE image.

I really believe theres WAY more to this story than what a book that was incorrectly translated to begin with tells us.

God wasn't lonely.
He said "let us make man in our image".
The image is the Trinity.
Soul, Body, Spirit.
Father, Son, Holy Spirit
We are not mortal beings.
Our soul will exist somewhere forever.
 
Whos gonna tell every single human that has existed before 2000 years ago that they were born too early and missed out on all this salvation? Can you really fathom how many humans have existed before the bible? All the murder and evil acts before the first person read the bible are automatically forgiven?

I know my responses may sound sarcastic... But Id really love to hear real answers. And by no means am i trying to insult anyone. If its taken that way I will personally apologize to you.

We can start a PM with a few others here, and take this discussion off the board if you like.

We are skating pretty close to the line in our current direction.

I can answer those questions, I'm sure lariat, ukd, Bender, and several others could answer them with equal quality.
 
I understand, and as awkward as my earlier post may seem, I DO believe in a higher power. I just feel that (we) as a human species are missing something. Theres gotta be more than some all powerful invisible being that thought to itself, (Hey I should create something from nothing, because I dont like nothing, and its impossible to have nothing, because if nothing exists, then something cant be created)
So from nothing, he created everything, and then wasnt happy. So he then created us??? Are we the best he can do? I mean, technically we are 1 step under a god right? We should be some badass motherfuckers. But we literally cant do ANYTHING they can do. We cant fly, we cant walk on water, we cant make things happen with just our minds, we cant even go a few days without food and water!!! If the temperature gets a few degrees warmer, we sweat our ass off, if a few cooler, we have to wear sweaters. If you ask me, its as if he made us in his OPPOSITE image.

I really believe theres WAY more to this story than what a book that was incorrectly translated to begin with tells us.
I read both of your posts and you are asking good questions. I do have one myself because it matters on how I reply: how did you come to the conclusion that the Bible was not correctly translated? It’s an honest question and there are no traps being laid.

Group PM is cool. But I suspect there are more following the discussion than we realize.
 
Ok, Id like that. If theres a line on religion in the forum and I crossed it, I apologize for it as well. I was just finger banging away as the questions just came to mind.
Ill be checking back and forth because Im at work so if my responses arent immediate its because I went do something.
 
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Ok, Id like that. If theres a line on religion in the forum and I crossed it, I apologize for it as well. I was just finger banging away as the questions just came to mind.
Ill be checking back and forth because Im at work so if my responses arent immediate its because I went do something.
I dont mind at all. No apology needed.
I was just concerned someone would get their panties in a twist and nuke a bunch of stuff.
 
Whos gonna tell every single human that has existed before 2000 years ago that they were born too early and missed out on all this salvation? Can you really fathom how many humans have existed before the bible? All the murder and evil acts before the first person read the bible are automatically forgiven?

I know my responses may sound sarcastic... But Id really love to hear real answers. And by no means am i trying to insult anyone. If its taken that way I will personally apologize to you.
I aint the most theologically literate and being probably the youngest person here, will defer to my elders.
But, those people didnt miss out on salvation. If they repented before death and truly accepted Jesus, they're saved.

Even before Christ.. Adam & Eve still had free will and MADE the choice to bite into that apple.

ETA: thought your post said 200 years ago not 2000.. anyway..
 
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Just curious @madppcs .. have you ever been in a absolutely hopeless fckd up situation?

Did you not feel an absolutely instant sense of your own mortality and start praying?
I was a bit of a tard in my teens(and extra tarded now but thats another discussion).. surrounded by police, looking at years and years in juvie/prison, in my experience EVERYONE starts praying when you feel the reaper at the door.

Best to get ahead of it, and get on the right path early instead of waiting to accept Christ until you're already on the chopping block waiting for the guillotine to drop.
 
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Wasnt it translated from its originality by kingsmen?
So the history of it is bifurcated: the OT came from the Jews (duh). It was proven when the Dead Sea scrolls we discovered that the version of OT we have had essentially not changed since that time. Like extremely little, and at non important points. This should give us all comfort that the original intent and wording of the OT has been maintained, even as our languages have changed.

The NT is the same way. There is very little difference between the oldest texts of each book we have and what is currently in publication, despite the various translations.

The Bible obviously was translated from the original Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic languages. And it had to be done by people (Tyndale, among many others), but they actually did a very good job and that fact has been proven in the last few decades as they have been compared to the oldest texts we have of the books. If someone were to try to put in or remove something it will be caught as there are teams literally searching for ancient versions of the 66 books, and once they are found they are compared to everything younger than it. And frankly, there are so many people who want to discredit scripture that if something was found inconsistent we would never hear the end of it.

All of this above is about the Bible proper. I’m not talking about the Book of Mormon or the books from the Jehovah Witnesses. I have no comment on those.

Let me know if that answers your question.
 
The DOJ subpoena for the House staffers came in the middle of a tumultuous battle in fall 2017 in which congressional leadership sought to compel the FBI and CIA to turn over evidence sought by the House Intelligence Committee. That fight included the following sequence of events:


  • Aug 24, 2017: House Intelligence issues subpoenas to FBI Director Chris Wray and Rosenstein for all documents related to Christopher Steele and the Steele dossier, and anything indicating whether Steele dossier info was used in FISA warrants or otherwise in the special counsel's Russia collusion investigation.
  • Sept. 1, 2017: Nunes sends a letter to Sessions blasting DOJ and FBI for not complying with the Aug. 24 subpoena.
  • Oct 24, 2017: Washington Post reports lawyers for the Clinton campaign are going to confirm to the House Intelligence Committee that the campaign helped fund the Steele dossier.
  • Oct 28, 2017: Fusion GPS, the opposition research firm hired by the Clinton campaign, agrees to settle litigation against a House Intelligence Committee subpoena that allows Nunes to have access to banking records showing who funded the dossier.
  • Dec 2, 2017: FBI announces that FBI agent Peter Strzok, who led the Russia probe in its early phase, was removed from Mueller's team due to anti-Trump text messages. Nunes issues press release accusing FBI and DOJ of obstructing his investigation by refusing to comply with Aug. 24 subpoena. Nunes threatens to file contempt of Congress resolution against Rosenstein and Wray unless they comply.
  • Dec. 7, 2017: House Ethics Committee clears Nunes of charges filed by Democrats.
  • Jan. 10, 2018: Rosenstein threatened to subpoena House Intelligence Committee over leaks.
  • Feb 2, 2018: Nunes memo released to public raising first official substantive concerns with FBI probe of Trump-Russia collusion.
 
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