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Charger442 said:
Who sets the value of crypto? And what happens when the means to set it's value is blocked or siezed by the government?

I'm just asking questions. Crypto is billed as the screw you to the government but government can outlaw anything. If it does, what is it's benefit then?
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Someone correct me if I am wrong but the best underground economy that is mostly free of government interference is a barter economy.

It is probably less risky than bitcoin because there is not necessarily a paper trail or computer record. However, one must still report services or goods gained from barter to the IRS.

With that said, I think I would rather barter than to risk losing anything in bitcoin.

If I were rich enough to afford the risk, I suppose the bitcoin might be a chance worth taking but I don't have the money to tie up in that sort of venture.

Precious metals like lead and brass along with combustible compounds ignited by mercury fulminate are where the future is at gentlemen!
 
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Longshot231 said:
Someone correct me if I am wrong but the best underground economy that is mostly free of government interference is a barter economy.

It is probably less risky than bitcoin because there is not necessarily a paper trail or computer record. However, one must still report services or goods gained from barter to the IRS.

With that said, I think I would rather barter than to risk losing anything in bitcoin.

If I were rich enough to afford the risk, I suppose the bitcoin might be a chance worth taking but I don't have the money to tie up in that sort of venture.

Precious metals like lead and brass along with combustible compounds ignited by mercury fulminate are where the future is at gentlemen!
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Look at every national disaster. No one is looking for pre-64 quarters, gold, or bitcoin. They're looking for tangible goods. Food, water, actual stuff.
 
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Longshot231 said:
Is there anyone here that's old enough to remember S&H Green Stamps? It sounds like the crypto currency is only a little better than that; for the time being.
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my brother and i dutifully filled out the stamp books, later perusing the most recent catalogue for the umpteenth time to decide what we would get in return for our efforts, only to see them redeemed for tv trays or some shit.
 
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Executive order 6102. Treasury dept. takes precedence in any crime relating to currency. Secret Service formed to eliminate counterfeiting. You mess with Big Gov's money, you get the horns. Try to buy groceries with a cold wallet.
 
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Here is the problem.

We sit here and argue...or not, about crypto currency. If I've got some ones and zeros in my bank account, I can buy bitcoin.
Meanwhile, the fucking shelves in grocery stores in the United Fucking States of America, are going empty, and staying that way.

Some of us need to wake the fuck up.
Money, any money, cash, gold, silver, crypto, the fucking soon to be released globocurrecy, is fucking worthless when there are no goods to buy.
 
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Charger442 said:
Who sets the value of crypto? And what happens when the means to set it's value is blocked or siezed by the government?

I'm just asking questions. Crypto is billed as the screw you to the government but government can outlaw anything. If it does, what is it's benefit then?
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Crypto value is based on demand which is market driven. In that case the government could not easily block the driver for the value. Not without taking drastic steps and it would have to be a concerted global action.

In order for the government to outlaw crypto it would have to be global to have an appreciable impact. If that was to happen then crypto would go underground and most likely still be used. To what extent would have to be determined but when has anything government outlawed led to it disappearing?
 
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nso123 said:
So, has anyone else noticed that the potato is always wearing sunglasses when he is out, but the people in his entourage are not? Makes you wonder if his handlers don’t want us to see his eyes.
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It's probably because the medicines he's on probably slow the reaction of dialation which could lead to cornea damage.

Mwalex said:
Crypto value is based on demand which is market driven. In that case the government could not easily block the driver for the value. Not without taking drastic steps and it would have to be a concerted global action.

In order for the government to outlaw crypto it would have to be global to have an appreciable impact. If that was to happen then crypto would go underground and most likely still be used. To what extent would have to be determined but when has anything government outlawed led to it disappearing?
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Everything else that's been outlawed had a physical use: 3 wheelers, drugs, moonshine, real gas cans, guns, trans fats,
 
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In the Weimar Republic, my business school prof, told his tale of his family using the barter of farm goods to acquire shoes from the cobbler, pants and shirts from the tailor etc. He and his family escaped to the USA before Hitler shutoff the exodus. Now those of us that can grow and have removed ourselves from the cities, made deals with local cattleman, chicken ranchers will do just fine. Have fun eating your bitcoin in the city. The ultra wealthy have big floating counties, just don't know how the are going to fuel their mega yachts or keep the crew from mutiny.

Food production beats crypto everyday of the week, as does a simple sewing machine and the knowledge how to use it. Diamonds, Gold, maybe Crypto if you have a safe harbor but will there be one?
 
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Californio said:
In the Weimar Republic, my business school prof, told his tale of his family using the barter of farm goods to acquire shoes from the cobbler, pants and shirts from the tailor etc. He and his family escaped to the USA before Hitler shutoff the exodus. Now those of us that can grow and have removed ourselves from the cities, made deals with local cattleman, chicken ranchers will do just fine. Have fun eating your bitcoin in the city. The ultra wealthy have big floating counties, just don't know how the are going to fuel their mega yachts or keep the crew from mutiny.

Food production beats crypto everyday of the week, as does a simple sewing machine and the knowledge how to use it. Diamonds, Gold, maybe Crypto if you have a safe harbor but will there be one?
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After SHTF you are selling some beef. A guy shows up with some 1oz rounds of gold, another has a sweet HK USP 45 with 6 mags and 500 rounds of ammo, another guy has a thumb drive with crypto. Of course you are going to take the thumb drive because that shit was mined (made up) and is worth more!
 
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Longshot231 said:
Is there anyone here that's old enough to remember S&H Green Stamps? It sounds like the crypto currency is only a little better than that; for the time being.
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I don't think that is true at all. The acceptance level it has in the world even with most world governments and banking institutions constantly attacking it should tip you off that they might be on to something. The idea of decentralized finance scares the crap out of bankers and governments. It cuts them out of most steps.

The more banking accounts are frozen and centralized government crypto is pushed the more it should be evident that crypto is needed along with a black market economy out of government control. This would be a true free market.
 
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devildog93 said:
I don't think that is true at all. The acceptance level it has in the world even with most world governments and banking institutions constantly attacking it should tip you off that they might be on to something. The idea Od decentralized finance scares the crap out of bankers and governments. It cuts them out of most steps.

The more banking accounts are frozen and centralized government crypto is pushed the more it should be evident that crypto is needed along with a black market economy out of government control. This would be a true free market.
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What you say is mostly true. However, Crypto currency could disappear faster than Joe Biden at a press conference when asked a question that he doesn't like.

All that has to happen is for the government to make Crypto currency illegal and/or seize the assets of the Cyrpto bank as well as the account holder's bitcoins.

Lots of luck to the Crypto account holder and the Crypto bank trying to go underground with their activities once they are deemed illegal.

The bootleggers, during prohibition, had better luck plying their trade.
 
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Longshot231 said:
Precious metals like lead and brass along with combustible compounds ignited by mercury fulminate are where the future is at gentlemen!
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Precious earth and the ability to grow food is the future.

armorpl8chikn said:
Some of us need to wake the fuck up.
Money, any money, cash, gold, silver, crypto, the fucking soon to be released globocurrecy, is fucking worthless when there are no goods to buy.
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This, so much this.

Some folks are much brave and so warrior, ready to slot commies and take “it” back. Those folks would do well to put the plate carrier away and work on their food growing and animal raising. You are 1000000 times more likely to need to eat than muster in the coming months.
 
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Longshot231 said:
What you say is mostly true. However, Crypto currency could disappear faster than Joe Biden at a press conference when asked a question that he doesn't like.

All that has to happen is for the government to make Crypto currency illegal and/or seize the assets of the Cyrpto bank as well as the account holder's bitcoins.

Lots of luck to the Crypto account holder and the Crypto bank trying to go underground with their activities once they are deemed illegal.

The bootleggers, during prohibition, had better luck plying their trade.
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I would say in the worst case scenario it would be a parallel economy much like bootlegging. I don't think btc would be the way to go then. Monero or another privacy crypto would be the way to go. I suspect a lot of black market trades are doing that already. If the government turns us into outlaws then we have to adopt outlaw practices up and down the tech ladder, from barter and face to face meets to using monero and operating off the grid.

What you said about the government having the option to take your goods is true of just about everything. They can take anything you haven't hidden. If pushing hard enough I imagine most people will relinquish hidden stashed even. Looking to previous times for tips and tricks on how to hide things from the powers would be smart. Having skills that travel might be another good thing.
 
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Re. Crypto: do you honestly think "they" don't know what, when, who, and how much... to the fraction of each XYZCoin...?

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Lawless said:
Precious earth and the ability to grow food is the future.


This, so much this.

Some folks are much brave and so warrior, ready to slot commies and take “it” back. Those folks would do well to put the plate carrier away and work on their food growing and animal raising. You are 1000000 times more likely to need to eat than muster in the coming months.
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There isn't much point to growing in excess or farming if you can't defend it. You don't need to look very far to find times and places where smart farmers have been run over and had their goods taken. I agree those skills are important, but i would say the militant skills are just as important.
 
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devildog93 said:
There isn't much point to growing in excess or farming if you can't defend it. You don't need to look very far to find times and places where smart farmers have been run over and had their goods taken. I agree those skills are important, but i would say the militant skills are just as important.
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The things to be prepared for after SHTF. People behaving badly and starvation. You can't defend your food all alone. Build a tribe. If you live in an urban shithole, leave now. Move to the country near likeminded folk and build a tribe to defend your food and family.
 
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devildog93 said:
There isn't much point to growing in excess or farming if you can't defend it. You don't need to look very far to find times and places where smart farmers have been run over and had their goods taken. I agree those skills are important, but i would say the militant skills are just as important.
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This^^^^^I have often wondered what will happen to my cattle when SHTF. I can't be everywhere and defend them all. We already have issues with Mexicans killing and butchering cows near the edge of the road. The average idiot diesn't know the difference between a momma cow, butcher steer or breeding bull. It will be sad.
 
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DuneBoer said:
The things to be prepared for after SHTF. People behaving badly and starvation. You can't defend your food all alone. Build a tribe. If you live in an urban shithole, leave now. Move to the country near likeminded folk and build a tribe to defend your food and family.
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You are late to the party to "move and build a tribe".......... At this point you will have to survive until after the die off to build a tribe. At that point like minded with survival instincts will come together....
 
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Hobo Hilton said:
You are late to the party to "move and build a tribe".......... At this point you will have to survive until after the die off to build a tribe. At that point like minded with survival instincts will come together....
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At least start. Not too late. Better than sitting and doing nothing. I did it in less than 2 years. The move from built up areas is the big step.
 
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Forgetful Coyote said:
Well.. I have a IT Security degree but t figured out quick that ain’t the path for me…I’ll just leave it at that. I want in the trades, fck a pussy ass office job.
Im gonna be starting this Summer at Lanier Tech in their Manual & CNC Machining diploma 2 year program. I’m hoping that can be shortened since I already have my bachelors in IT so all my core classes should be taken care of. From there..hopefully accomplish my dream of becoming a barrel maker…
In the meantime, I’m stocked up decently well for someone on my budget. Wanted to get a Swiss Arms 551 but when I saw the last Haenel CR223 in stock at my local store(only 50-100 in the entire USA right now btw…) I had to get it.
Case y’all don’t know what it is, the Haenel beat the HK416 and HK433 in German trials to become the Bundeswehr’s new service rifle. HK appealed the trials, and AFAIK they redid the trials..Haenel still came out on top. Tho I’d love to hear @THEIS ‘s input on this as he knows far more on the goings on in this particular instance. Needless to say, it’s a beast.. basically an improved HK416.

Next step will be a Walther PDP, after that -> Block II-ish Recce build(critique my build: BCM upper/lower, SOPMOD stock or maybe E-mod, 16” Criterion chrome lined hybrid contour mid length gas, DD RIS II, and a Vortex 2.5-10? 1-6? Idk..?), Or should I skip a Recce type build altogether since I already have the 12.3” PSA/Aero hybrid build & the Haenel 10.5”and just go full precision modern style take on a Mk 12 style platform? Or even a Seekins .308? Those new M80A1 sound like they could come in handy when needed?

Then from there.. a Zenith Z5 or Z5P MP5 clone or APC9 to ride in the crevice between seat/center console as backup to my handgun, then PVS-14 clip on night vision for the AR’s(and future bolt guns that I(!) own not my pap - he’s already gotta semi custom 700P .308), Silencerco Omega-9k for the G45 + PDP + MP5 or APC, and Surefire can for the AR’s.
From there, probably gonna throw a red dot on the AK and possibly AK74 style brake. And then ask pap to lemme trade in our old R700 .222 for a Tikka CTR or RPR + a Vortex variable somewhere in the 3-15x range.

I really desperately wanna SCAR20 because I hear they’re absolutely incredible by all accounts but it’s outside my $ range(atm at least).

Wanted to go ahead and stock up on a couple “scary assault rifles” before any potential draconian measures come down. And rest assured, it looks like we have some hard decisions to make and bad times coming in the future…
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You want to know Theis opinion????

You really are a dumb one.
What fucking rock have you been living under, or smoking
 
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trippjn said:
This^^^^^I have often wondered what will happen to my cattle when SHTF. I can't be everywhere and defend them all. We already have issues with Mexicans killing and butchering cows near the edge of the road. The average idiot diesn't know the difference between a momna cow, butcher steer or breeding bull. It will be sad.
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That kind of shit can only be dealt with using SSS. Fucking thieves and invaders. Best way to handle such shit is not to make any fuss or noise about it, even to your neighbors and friends. Perps vanish, with the aid of some quicklime. End of story.
 
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Forgetful Coyote said:
Well.. I have a IT Security degree but t figured out quick that ain’t the path for me…I’ll just leave it at that. I want in the trades, fck a pussy ass office job.
Im gonna be starting this Summer at Lanier Tech in their Manual & CNC Machining diploma 2 year program. I’m hoping that can be shortened since I already have my bachelors in IT so all my core classes should be taken care of. From there..hopefully accomplish my dream of becoming a barrel maker…
In the meantime, I’m stocked up decently well for someone on my budget. Wanted to get a Swiss Arms 551 but when I saw the last Haenel CR223 in stock at my local store(only 50-100 in the entire USA right now btw…) I had to get it.
Case y’all don’t know what it is, the Haenel beat the HK416 and HK433 in German trials to become the Bundeswehr’s new service rifle. HK appealed the trials, and AFAIK they redid the trials..Haenel still came out on top. Tho I’d love to hear @THEIS ‘s input on this as he knows far more on the goings on in this particular instance. Needless to say, it’s a beast.. basically an improved HK416.

Next step will be a Walther PDP, after that -> Block II-ish Recce build(critique my build: BCM upper/lower, SOPMOD stock or maybe E-mod, 16” Criterion chrome lined hybrid contour mid length gas, DD RIS II, and a Vortex 2.5-10? 1-6? Idk..?), Or should I skip a Recce type build altogether since I already have the 12.3” PSA/Aero hybrid build & the Haenel 10.5”and just go full precision modern style take on a Mk 12 style platform and throw 3x magnifier on the 12.3”..? Or even a Seekins .308? Those new M80A1 sound like they could come in handy when needed?

Then from there.. a Zenith Z5 or Z5P MP5 clone or APC9 to ride in the crevice between seat/center console as backup to my handgun, then PVS-14 clip on night vision for the AR’s(and future bolt guns that I(!) own not my pap - he’s already gotta semi custom 700P .308), Silencerco Omega-9k for the G45 + PDP + MP5 or APC, and Surefire can for the AR’s.
From there, probably gonna throw a red dot on the AK and possibly AK74 style brake. And then ask pap to lemme trade in our old R700 .222 for a Tikka CTR or RPR + a Vortex variable somewhere in the 3-15x range.

I really desperately wanna SCAR20 because I hear they’re absolutely incredible by all accounts but it’s outside my $ range(atm at least).

Wanted to go ahead and stock up on a couple “scary assault rifles” before any potential draconian measures come down. And rest assured, it looks like we have some hard decisions to make and bad times coming in the future…

PS: what do y’all zero your 10.5’s at for MPBR? I’ve got the 12.3 at 50yd…
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Theis? You mean Louis Corkern?
 
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Just in case anyone here still thinks the Police don't enjoy being Jackbooted thugs when it comes to dealing with those who won't worship the Covidian Cult:

RCMP investigate cops reveling in brutal treatment of protestors

The messages, which were leaked by Rebel News and whose authenticity has not yet been verified, appear to show several officers delighting in the brutality via a RCMP group chat.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
 
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DuneBoer said:
At least start. Not too late. Better than sitting and doing nothing. I did it in less than 2 years. The move from built up areas is the big step.
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The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step.
Lao Tzu

For many, making that first step was the most difficult one. Leaving behind family, jobs, friends, etc is something many can not do.
 
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W54/XM-388 said:
Just in case anyone here still thinks the Police don't enjoy being Jackbooted thugs when it comes to dealing with those who won't worship the Covidian Cult:

RCMP investigate cops reveling in brutal treatment of protestors

The messages, which were leaked by Rebel News and whose authenticity has not yet been verified, appear to show several officers delighting in the brutality via a RCMP group chat.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
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oh goody…..they are going to have colonel sanders investigate who murdered the chickens.
 
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