Portland...full tilt crazy people

[Mike_Honcho]

Can the fed legally cut funding to Oregon?

It is about the Election - right?


Using Fed property as the focal point within the city, and amplifying that same 'justification' as a reason to riot in other major (D) cities - hollows out the D vote - nationally. As Rod Stewart says - time is on your side....

Allowing Wheeler and Brown to once again fail, while maintaining a footprint in the city puts heat under both sets of buttcheeks at the same time - the radicals are still pissed at Brown and Wheeler that the Feds are still in town, while the Feds can highlight Brown and Wheelers lies & failures. The bigger the dumpster fire, the more negative blowback for the brainwashed PDXers to the point where even their delusional dumb ass is forced to reconcile.

Remember - the consistent group in front of that CH each night is less than 2k - probably really more like a couple hundred (they are getting paid - handbills are all over DT with $60 / diem + $200 for speaking), with 1k + party goers & looters who give tacit approval as long as they don't get beat up or have to get their hands dirty, and the free wine & weed is flowing - good times, right? Cuz nothing attracts a crowd, like a crowd....Samey Same in Oakland, Minn MN, LA, NY - it is a relative handful of people. The MSM is trying to convince everyone a 'mass movement' is occurring, It isn't. It is part of the cover up of the on going coup and an attempt to subvert the elections.

 

[lash]

Anyone have a picture of these handbills offering pay for play?

Seriously. It would help to have digital record.

 

[Mike_Honcho]

Yes it would. I will ask - I was told by a buddy about this last week while he was DT. I will see if he can lay hands on.

 

[NCHillbilly]

Bill Barr had this right yesterday in the congressional hearing "monkey court" when he said it's an attack on the federal court/government. So as the oath says to defend on all enemies both foreign and domestic, why won't the Dems call them the domestic enemies/terrorists they are ? Barr point blank asked that and, crickets.

The dems want to sow discord and chaos far and wide so the populace will become so fearful that they will willingly give up their liberties for the promise of temporary safety. Don't think it's working as they had planned.

 

[NCHillbilly]

My hugely leftist coworker and I were having one of our usual left vs right conversations yesterday and he says “why you pro 2A guys aren’t over in Portland right now fighting against government tyranny and protecting free speech baffles me. The feds are literally gassing and bean bagging peaceful protestors and not a peep from you guys.”

I told him I can’t speak for anyone but myself in pro 2A column but I’m all for peaceful protest, but when you’re attempting to destroy property, burn shit down and injure federal agents, thats a riot, not a protest and I can’t condone that.

He thinks that it’s only one or two guys, probably agent provocateurs on the right attempting to damage property to make the left look bad and everyone else is just holding signs and chanting kumbyah.

The irony is he and I get along great until politics is brought up and even though we don’t agree on much, at least we are both polite about it so he’s pretty much the only left I can have a reasonable conversation with that doesn’t devolve into a shit show.

One of the problems with those on the left is either they are so mentally challenged that they actually believe cnn, or they know better and they're just trying to gaslight everyone who knows exactly what's happening. Did you catch any coverage of the kangaroo court that AG Barr attended yesterday? Kinda tells you all you need to know.

 

[Snuby642]

If you have left wing friends cut them the F loose.

They absolutely will back stab you.
Especially at work to gain favor with some left wing boss that shows up.

 

[lash]

One of the problems with those on the left is either they are so mentally challenged that they actually believe cnn, or they know better and they're just trying to gaslight everyone who knows exactly what's happening. Did you catch any coverage of the kangaroo court that AG Barr attended yesterday? Kinda tells you all you need to know.

I give big credit to anyone (like Barr) who go into the lion’s den knowing what is in store for them, but do it anyway because they know they are right. Criticize him all you want, but he didn’t roll over or play innocent or dumb. He stood up for what he was doing. Many, if not most, cannot say the same.

 

[NCHillbilly]

I give big credit to anyone (like Barr) who go into the lion’s den knowing what is in store for them, but do it anyway because they know they are right. Criticize him all you want, but he didn’t roll over or play innocent or dumb. He stood up for what he was doing. Many, if not most, cannot say the same.

I completely agree. I wasn't dumping on Barr, my disgust was aimed at EVERY worthless fuckin democrat that acted like a petulant little kid.

 

[Foul Mike]

Do the Fed LE out there have any claymores? They would stop a lot of shit as well as blow trash off of the sidewalks.

 

[lash]

Do the Fed LE out there have any claymores? They would stop a lot of shit as well as blow trash off of the sidewalks.

Lol, there ya go thinking all efficiency and stuff.

 

[Disfunctional_Engineer]

Do the Fed LE out there have any claymores? They would stop a lot of shit as well as blow trash off of the sidewalks.

Thinking about it I am surprised there isn't a riot control variant that shoots pepper balls out or something.

 

[...]

Thinking about it I am surprised there isn't a riot control variant that shoots pepper balls out or something.

I almost bought one of those taser claymores a few months ago.....kicking myself for not getting it

I have absolutely 0 use for it.....but damn that would make a bad ass hood ornament for dealing with protestors.

 

[EddieNFL]

It is about the Election - right?


Using Fed property as the focal point within the city, and amplifying that same 'justification' as a reason to riot in other major (D) cities - hollows out the D vote - nationally. As Rod Stewart says - time is on your side....

Allowing Wheeler and Brown to once again fail, while maintaining a footprint in the city puts heat under both sets of buttcheeks at the same time - the radicals are still pissed at Brown and Wheeler that the Feds are still in town, while the Feds can highlight Brown and Wheelers lies & failures. The bigger the dumpster fire, the more negative blowback for the brainwashed PDXers to the point where even their delusional dumb ass is forced to reconcile.

Remember - the consistent group in front of that CH each night is less than 2k - probably really more like a couple hundred (they are getting paid - handbills are all over DT with $60 / diem + $200 for speaking), with 1k + party goers & looters who give tacit approval as long as they don't get beat up or have to get their hands dirty, and the free wine & weed is flowing - good times, right? Cuz nothing attracts a crowd, like a crowd....Samey Same in Oakland, Minn MN, LA, NY - it is a relative handful of people. The MSM is trying to convince everyone a 'mass movement' is occurring, It isn't. It is part of the cover up of the on going coup and an attempt to subvert the elections.

Time is on my side, yes it is
Time is on my side, yes it is

 

[Dragonscout25]

Luved the feel of a clacker in my field pants pocket...

 

[E. Bryant]

@ E.Bryant

- Is COVID a serious medical problem that warrants shutting down the Econ or is it a political move?

- Are riots and protests 'individual / one offs' in each of these communities, or is it a coordinated effort?

COVID - neither/nor. It's a serious medical issue, but not one that justifies shutting down the economy. Not really sure what that has to do with this thread; are you carrying over a grudge from a different thread? (If so, I don't recall - the list of people I've disagreed with on this topic is long and distinguished)

The riots likely have some coordination - I suspect China (frankly, they'd be idiots not to take advantage of this situation). I also think they are partially being fueled by significant amounts of simple dumbassery on a local level.

Your line of questioning is interesting, but it's not going to make me suddenly declare support for feds rubbing snatch-n-grab operarions that sound suspiciously like something straight out of Enemies Foreign and Domestic.

 

[Ravenworks]

Can the fed legally cut funding to Oregon?

I was thinking more about cutting the power to the entire city.

 

[vh20]

I see we're all still getting a collective hard-on about having the Feds come in and walk all over a local jurisdiction. Not sure that's really what the Founding Fathers had in mind...

Whose jurisdiction is the Federal Courthouse to protect?

 

[FS1]

Your line of questioning is interesting, but it's not going to make me suddenly declare support for feds rubbing snatch-n-grab operarions that sound suspiciously like something straight out of Enemies Foreign and Domestic.

Is it snatch and grab if they are wanted felons? The way these folks react to law enforcement it seems very "keeping the peace" to me.

 

[EddieNFL]

Whose jurisdiction is the Federal Courthouse to protect?

I believe it is Feds inside, local outside. As locals were not performing, the feds picked up their slack and some get their panties stuck in their crack when laws are enforced.

 

[Fig]

A claymore mine's propellant is a C-4 shaped charge. The steel balls are set in glue, and they deform (on purpose) when the charge goes off.
You would have to scale back the charge by many orders of magnitude to be able to project pepper balls without turning them into mist.

What they really should have done was deploy an LRAD for area denial and make it so uncomfortable for the rioters to be in the area they dispurse of their own acord.

 

[Disfunctional_Engineer]

Your line of questioning is interesting, but it's not going to make me suddenly declare support for feds rubbing snatch-n-grab operarions that sound suspiciously like something straight out of Enemies Foreign and Domestic.

I'm inclined to agree with you. Part of the flip side though is that officers are getting assaulted making arrests which is likewise not good.

The downward spiral is not a good thing, it's going to end really badly. The refusal to enforce the laws as they are (e.g. arresting people who interfere with arrests) means that things will get progressively worse. Soros backed "prosecutors" who don't actually prosecute anyone was one of the perfect pieces to pull out of the Jenga stack. If no one enforces the law then how can it be expected that it will be obeyed? Not only that but why would you actually arrest anyone?

 

[MtnCreek]

A claymore mine's propellant is a C-4 shaped charge. The steel balls are set in glue, and they deform (on purpose) when the charge goes off.
You would have to scale back the charge by many orders of magnitude to be able to project pepper balls without turning them into mist.

What they really should have done was deploy an LRAD for area denial and make it so uncomfortable for the rioters to be in the area they dispurse of their own acord.

Assuming that's the goal. IDK.

 

[MarinePMI]

A claymore mine's propellant is a C-4 shaped charge. The steel balls are set in glue, and they deform (on purpose) when the charge goes off.
You would have to scale back the charge by many orders of magnitude to be able to project pepper balls without turning them into mist.

What they really should have done was deploy an LRAD for area denial and make it so uncomfortable for the rioters to be in the area they dispurse of their own acord.

Sitting here laughing, and looking out the window at the LRAD factory next door....(BTW, the just got bought out and changed the name on the building).

 

[Steel head]

And right across the river is beautiful Vancouver and the only republican congressional district on the west coast.
Where flags on vehicles is common and rampant homelessness and silly Antifa and Marxist shenanigans isn’t

 

[Son of Dorn]

A claymore mine's propellant is a C-4 shaped charge. The steel balls are set in glue, and they deform (on purpose) when the charge goes off.
You would have to scale back the charge by many orders of magnitude to be able to project pepper balls without turning them into mist.

What they really should have done was deploy an LRAD for area denial and make it so uncomfortable for the rioters to be in the area they dispurse of their own acord.

I've always wondered if these ever got put to use. Seems like a pretty interesting idea to me.

TASER Shockwave - electro-shock 'canon' developed for riot control

The launch of the handheld TASER X3 has been grabbing headlines lately, but the company has also been developing large-scale versions of its stun-gun technology for 'area denial' (read 'riot control'). The TASER Shockwave is a fully modular system that effectively bunches six TASER X26 stun guns…

newatlas.com

 

[clcustom1911]

Lol, there ya go thinking all efficiency and stuff.

Just start lobbing a couple dozen stingball grenades, flashbangs, and then.... the concussion grenade nightly.

That'll do it.

 

[Sgt47]

Pump out a few septic tanks then hook up a high pressure pump to the honey wagon and hose them down. Follow up with the water cannons and clean up the mess, or leave it; it's Portland nobody would notice.

 

[BLEE]

I never understood how the police chief abandoned her duty to uphold the law. If the mayor prevented the chief from upholding the law, the chief should have arrested her, on charges of dereliction of duty and obstructing justice and continued arresting those, who did the same, as needed. The feds should continue to protect federal property by whatever means necessary, including lethal force.

 

[EddieNFL]

I never understood how the police chief abandoned her duty to uphold the law. If the mayor prevented the chief from upholding the law, the chief should have arrested her, on charges of dereliction of duty and obstructing justice and continued arresting those, who did the same, as needed. The feds should continue to protect federal property by whatever means necessary, including lethal force.

Police chiefs are rarely cops. Most were at one time. Politicians don't arrest each other.

 

[Mike_Honcho]

COVID - neither/nor. It's a serious medical issue, but not one that justifies shutting down the economy. Not really sure what that has to do with this thread; are you carrying over a grudge from a different thread? (If so, I don't recall - the list of people I've disagreed with on this topic is long and distinguished)

The riots likely have some coordination - I suspect China (frankly, they'd be idiots not to take advantage of this situation). I also think they are partially being fueled by significant amounts of simple dumbassery on a local level.

Your line of questioning is interesting, but it's not going to make me suddenly declare support for feds rubbing snatch-n-grab operarions that sound suspiciously like something straight out of Enemies Foreign and Domestic.

E - I have no issues with you regarding this or any other thread. My questions were temperature checkers. From what I gather at this juncture you do not see any form of a connection between the COVID response and rioting. Correct?

Please consider the connections between 2016 Elections + Impeachment / Obama / FBI / DOJ + response to COVID + Rioting and why this is really all about the 2020 Election.

 

[Steel head]

Police chiefs are rarely cops. Most were at one time. Politicians don't arrest each other.

Unfortunately that is generally the case now.

 

[Foul Mike]

As to the claymores, who mis-understood that I wanted them to work as designed? Clackers--- Clean those streets and sidewalks. No more trash.

 

[SilentStalkr]

Rhetorical question: How is this, and so many other things going on, not treason?

From Merriam-Webster:
treason noun
trea·son | \ ˈtrē-zᵊn \
Definition of treason

1: the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance or to kill or personally injure the sovereign or the sovereign's family

And yet, here we sit! Let me know when y’all are ready to march on the capital and demand our own change.

 

[E. Bryant]

E - I have no issues with you regarding this or any other thread. My questions were temperature checkers. From what I gather at this juncture you do not see any form of a connection between the COVID response and rioting. Correct?

Please consider the connections between 2016 Elections + Impeachment / Obama / FBI / DOJ + response to COVID + Rioting and why this is really all about the 2020 Election.

Ok, now I understand where you're coming from; thanks for the clarification.

I agree that everything in a way comes back to the 2020 election. The left is pulling out all the stops to ensure Trump's defeat. Well, they're doing everything possible except nominating a viable candidate

Now, that being established, I understand there are two distinct camps into which conservatives have self-selected. One believes in an end-justifies-the-means approach. The other believes in upholding the principles of the Constitution, federalism, and conservatism... even if it means that, yes, the enemy is going to rack up some wins as a result.

I feel the same way now that I felt when I was getting crapped on by my fellow conservatives 15 years ago for opposing the way we were conducting the War on Terror - any gains achieved by abandoning principles will be short-lived, while the negative consequences of those actions will be felt for generations.

The same arguments being used today to justify federal force in Portland will be deployed word-for-word by a future Democratic adminstration when they send the feds into 2A sanctuary counties to arrest all the newly-minted felons created by gun control laws that local LE won't enforce. I'd love to be proven wrong on this, and feel free to archive this post in hopes that someone will dig it up to mock me in the future.

 

[vh20]

Ok, now I understand where you're coming from; thanks for the clarification.

I agree that everything in a way comes back to the 2020 election. The left is pulling out all the stops to ensure Trump's defeat. Well, they're doing everything possible except nominating a viable candidate

Now, that being established, I understand there are two distinct camps into which conservatives have self-selected. One believes in an end-justifies-the-means approach. The other believes in upholding the principles of the Constitution, federalism, and conservatism... even if it means that, yes, the enemy is going to rack up some wins as a result.

I feel the same way now that I felt when I was getting crapped on by my fellow conservatives 15 years ago for opposing the way we were conducting the War on Terror - any gains achieved by abandoning principles will be short-lived, while the negative consequences of those actions will be felt for generations.

The same arguments being used today to justify federal force in Portland will be deployed word-for-word by a future Democratic adminstration when they send the feds into 2A sanctuary counties to arrest all the newly-minted felons created by gun control laws that local LE won't enforce. I'd love to be proven wrong on this, and feel free to archive this post in hopes that someone will dig it up to mock me in the future.

I’ll ask once more, whose jurisdiction is it to protect the Federal courthouse when it is under attack?

 

[MtnCreek]

E - I have no issues with you regarding this or any other thread. My questions were temperature checkers. From what I gather at this juncture you do not see any form of a connection between the COVID response and rioting. Correct?

Please consider the connections between 2016 Elections + Impeachment / Obama / FBI / DOJ + response to COVID + Rioting and why this is really all about the 2020 Election.

Something interesting I heard on the radio the other day. In my area there are about 300 cases on hold waiting on a grand jury. They said they didn't know when they'd be able to seat a grand jury. Just something that I thought was interesting.