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Powder for new .223 80GR Sierra BTHP at 600yds

Ender20

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Starting to use a 80gr Sierra BTHP at 600yds this year. I have been using Ramshot TAC for a Sierra 77gr BTHP across the course. Is anyone having any better luck with a different powder. Not seeing much difference with the same powder but heavier bullet.
 
Re: Powder for new .223 80GR Sierra BTHP at 600yds

I use R-15 for both 77s (200 & 300 yards) and 80 SMKs for 600 & 1000 yards. It works pretty dern good.
 
Re: Powder for new .223 80GR Sierra BTHP at 600yds

After trying a number of powders, I settled for RL-15. In my experience it performed a lot better with AR and bolt guns.
 
Re: Powder for new .223 80GR Sierra BTHP at 600yds

Most of the responses I got was for RL-15. I use Varget for my 308, never thought about it for my 223.

4Rail_Gunner (Try 8208 XBR if you can find it.) Never heard of this one who's the manufacture?

Thanks guys gives me a start.
 
Re: Powder for new .223 80GR Sierra BTHP at 600yds

The 80 is 3 grains heavier but has a shorter bearing surface than the 77, so pressure-wise the 80 can take the same or more powder before having issues. That said, TAC is not optimum for either bullet, and if you try to push the velocity with it you will get pressure issues.

Any of these powders will do the trick - RL-15, Varget, VV N140, H4895 - and give you more velocity without pressure issues than TAC. AA2520 is another candidate if you like the ball powders. The first 3 powders named have the load hover around 24 grs for an all weather safe load resulting in velocity around 2700 FPS out of a 20" barrel at 80 degrees F, while the H4895 is generally run .4-.5 of a grain behind them to achieve similar pressure and velocity.

Price and availability issues aside, VV N-140 is by far my favorite powder in the 223 with these weight bullets. Price and availability taken into account, I run RL-15 for 200 and 300 and the 140 for 600 on back. No issues with running 140 on top of RL-15 as far as the shots being on call at 600 for the first few rounds. No settling in when changing loads with the two different powders.
 
Re: Powder for new .223 80GR Sierra BTHP at 600yds

If you like ball powders and need something that's readily available you might try BLC-2 as well. I've shot a lot of it in 223's up to 75gr and it is very easy to meter and consistent. It is temp sensitive, but that's something that can be handled.

I would start with the advice already given, if you can't find the ones above, then give BLC-2 a whirl.

I shoot a lot of it by default because I use it for plinking loads in my 30-06, so I usually have several pounds on hand.
 
Re: Powder for new .223 80GR Sierra BTHP at 600yds

Bolt Gun IMR 8208 XBR Test by a couple of fellow I shoot with

223 Ladder test .2g steps, 300yards, 80g berger vld, Lapua brass, Wolf Magnums, Krieger 1:7.7 @ 29", 7mph full value wind from 3oclock, 5 shots each from bipod

grains---avg fps---group size----notes

24.20 2932 2.25" 1.6"vert

24.40 2960 2.5" 1.6"vert

24.60 2992 2.8" 2" vert

24.80 3003 1.7" 1.1"vert - clear winner, 3 shots in 0.4"

25.00 3012 2.7" 1.4"vert

no pressure signs at all, could probably go to 3050fps if needed
 
Re: Powder for new .223 80GR Sierra BTHP at 600yds

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The 80 is 3 grains heavier but has a shorter bearing surface than the 77, so pressure-wise the 80 can take the same or more powder before having issues. That said, TAC is not optimum for either bullet, and if you try to push the velocity with it you will get pressure issues.

Any of these powders will do the trick - RL-15, Varget, VV N140, H4895 - and give you more velocity without pressure issues than TAC. AA2520 is another candidate if you like the ball powders. The first 3 powders named have the load hover around 24 grs for an all weather safe load resulting in velocity around 2700 FPS out of a 20" barrel at 80 degrees F, while the H4895 is generally run .4-.5 of a grain behind them to achieve similar pressure and velocity.

Price and availability issues aside, VV N-140 is by far my favorite powder in the 223 with these weight bullets. Price and availability taken into account, I run RL-15 for 200 and 300 and the 140 for 600 on back. No issues with running 140 on top of RL-15 as far as the shots being on call at 600 for the first few rounds. No settling in when changing loads with the two different powders.</div></div>

Concur.

You might also add Vihtavuori N135 and N540, both a little expensive and sometimes hard to find. Both Reloader-15 and varget have been more available lately.

I've used 24.5 to 25.0 of Varget in commercial Winchester cases for many, many years now, but I also use a Tubb Carrier Weight to keep the primer edges nice and round (instead of flattened).