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Practice Rifle Advice

cast1

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Posted this on the bolt action section before I realized the rimfire forum existed.

I just purchased a barrett 98b but before I fire a single round I want to spend some time practicing the fundamentals I am learning on this board.

I've settled on a CZ bolt action 22, but need some help in deciding which one. I plan to choose from one of the following.

452 silhouette
452 style (like the nickel finish, any problems?)
452 American 16" threaded
452 Varmit
455 American

I would really appreciate some input and also a recommendation for a good scope. I have the p4f reticle in my S&B on the barrett. A sub $250 dollar scope would be ideal since I will probably not be shooting much over 100 yards, unless you guys have some strong feelings otherwise.

Thanks,
Brian
 
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I run a cz 453 varmint in a Boyd's stock. W a 10x bushnell elite mil/mil scope It's a great training rifle and a blast to shoot. The 453 has the adjustable trigger which is one of the better triggers i think. The cz's are great but now that manners makes the t4 for the savage tr I would go that route if I was to do it all over agin. Spend half the money on the gun and buy better glass My .02$
 
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I would say a centerfire would be better practice for a Barrett.
Shouldn't you have a firm grasp of the fundamentals of good rifle shooting BEFORE you buy a 50BMG. Sorry but I am a walk before you fly kind of guy, I know that doesn't fit into this internet "plug and play" modern society.

Bishop has you on the right track. Any you have listed would be fine. In your case a Savage might suit you better.
 
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The 98B is a 338 Lapua Mag, However thats neither here nor there...I would also recommend the savage with a manners T4, It doesn't quite replicate your 98B but it will help simulate a full size tactical rifle.
 
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I'm assuming you have experience with rifles chambered in magnum calibers right? I would hope you're not planning on jumping straight from the 22LR to the 338LM
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the stock on the varmint rides the bags better. i like the americans 2 action screws. my varmint shoots great though. i say pick the one you like best.

on scopes, i really like my weaver rv9. ive had it for years and its never had an issue. ive had it on everything in the last 5 years and its been riding my clark barrelled 10/22 since i built it this summer. they are going for around $220. i recently picked up a bushnell 4-12x40ao airgun scope that has been fantastic. ive got it on my 452 varmint and love it. it was $95. a lot of people like the mueller apv, and the one i have isnt bad. my only complaint is that its a little dark. the weaver and the bushnell are much brighter.


http://swfa.com/Weaver-3-9x32-Classic-Rimfire-Rifle-Scope-P3141.aspx


http://swfa.com/Bushnell-4-12x40-Banner-Dusk-Dawn-Air-Gun-Scope-P228.aspx
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: armorpl8chikn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would say a centerfire would be better practice for a Barrett.
Shouldn't you have a firm grasp of the fundamentals of good rifle shooting BEFORE you buy a 50BMG. Sorry but I am a walk before you fly kind of guy, I know that doesn't fit into this internet "plug and play" modern society.

Bishop has you on the right track. Any you have listed would be fine. In your case a Savage might suit you better.
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I have read repeatedly on fundamentals, but I have not had the resources till now to execute them. Plus, the only reason I am asking this question is the reading I have done here. I respect your opinion, but I feel like the restraint I am showing in not running right to the range with a rifle that was such an investment demonstrates precisely a walk before you fly mentality. The fact that I already own the barrett is immaterial. I am simply trying to do things as right as I can.

It's a serious weapon and I'm trying to approach it in a serious manner. Thanks all for the opinions thus far. Keep 'em coming and don't forget about optics please.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cast1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: armorpl8chikn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would say a centerfire would be better practice for a Barrett.
Shouldn't you have a firm grasp of the fundamentals of good rifle shooting BEFORE you buy a 50BMG. Sorry but I am a walk before you fly kind of guy, I know that doesn't fit into this internet "plug and play" modern society.

Bishop has you on the right track. Any you have listed would be fine. In your case a Savage might suit you better.
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I have read repeatedly on fundamentals, but I have not had the resources till now to execute them. Plus, the only reason I am asking this question is the reading I have done here. I respect your opinion, but I feel like the restraint I am showing in not running right to the range with a rifle that was such an investment demonstrates precisely a walk before you fly mentality. The fact that I already own the barrett is immaterial. I am simply trying to do things as right as I can.

It's a serious weapon and I'm trying to approach it in a serious manner. Thanks all for the opinions thus far. Keep 'em coming and don't forget about optics please. </div></div>

This:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I'm assuming you have experience with rifles chambered in magnum calibers right? I would hope you're not planning on jumping straight from the 22LR to the 338LM
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Glad you value our opinion here. Was a 338L the first centerfire rifle you purchased? It is very material whether you bought, what you percieved was needed to shoot long range, before learning basic rifle skills. First thing you need is a place to shoot over 1000yds. If you don't have anywhere to practice with such a rifle then you are behind the eight ball yet again. Do you have to shoot on a budget? I hope not cause that thing is really chambered for $5 bills. A 22 rifle will not prepare you to shoot a 338Lapua. It will prepare you to shoot something like a 308, 223, etc with a little less kick. When you master proper skills with the 22 then you can master a bit bigger centerfire and then possibly step up yet again. It has taken me a lifetime of practice and competition to learn to control myself behind any rifle I choose to shoot.
If you will humor me I will tell you a story. Back long ago there was a 12yr old kid that thought he needed a 7mm magnum to deer hunt, he was bought exactly that on his 13th birthday. He bacame a phenominal trigger jerker in a very short time. After a short empty deer season his uncle took pity on him and gave orders that the 7mag be sold and replaced with a .243 before "that kid is ruined forever as a rifleman". That was a big turning point for the kid because he had read everything there was to know in Outdoor Life, G&A, Shooting Times, Field and Stream and he KNEW what the ultimate machine was to kill deer. He lacked the most important aspect needed to master such a weapon....mileage. That was his first ever centerfire rifle but it wasn't his first rodeo. He had shot many thousands of 22 rounds already.
You say you are walking before you fly but in your other threads the content indicates you have little to no centerfire rifle experience. Now that you have the 338 you are looking to purchase a 308 "budget" rifle. Have you ever shot 1000yds? Restraint would have been to spend that money on a great 308 or 223 AND a good 22 trainer and learning what you are asking about. If you mean what you say then that Lapua could and probably should sit in your safe for the next 5 years. I help people learn to shoot every month during the summer and without fail frustration is the biggest obstacle I see. Everyone wants it NOW! If you really want to learn to shoot get any one of the 22 rifles that have been suggested and practice. Get a good scope and make sure you can set it up to shoot at least 250yds, this will prepare you to shoot LR. You need a canted rail on the rifle. Don't shim your scope with shim stock and plastic drink bottle slivers, that is a great way to screw up a scope. DO IT RIGHT. Canted rail, Burris Signature rings with plus and minus inserts will help as well. Buy the best glass you can buy for your 22 trainer. I have a 16x Mark 4 Leupold for my trainer, but I am in between a CZ and an Anschutz right now, sold a CZ and buying the Annie. CZs are great, Anschutz MPR is top of the heap and Savages are ok. Find a place to shoot and make some steel tagets. There is info galore on here about neat cheap steel for 22 rimfires.
One more thing. You don't need a 338L to shoot long range. A regular 300win mag can reach farther than most shooters can drive one. Don't believe everything you read....not even on the hide.
Good luck.
 
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Okay, it sounds an awful lot like you have a problem with me buying the Barrett. Surely you don't think this is the first centerfire rifle I own or have had experience with. Most of my previous marksmanship experience has been in pistol, shotgun, and competitive archery. All my other center fires are lightweight deer rifles, 30-06 and up that would be more likely than this gun to get me flinching. I'll not be so foolish as to suggest I didn't buy the Barrett for a certain "cool" factor, but whats wrong with that? Yes I'm green. No, I didn't "need" a 338. Nobody "needs" a 338, just like I'm sure you don't need half the stuff in your gun safe. You buy it because you like it. You think the guys in Murfreesboro who build these rifles for their livelihood object to me owning one?

It sounds like you are a very serious marksman and I may likely never shoot on the level that you do, but I don't see the harm in me taking interest.

The gun can sit for as long as it needs to. I'm in no hurry. There is nobody who doesn't shoot on some kind of budget, but I bought what I could afford and what I could afford to shoot. Everybody has some degree of financial constraint though. There is certainly a 308 in my future, but for the sake of practice I can much less painfully ($$$) set up a good practice rig in 22 to get started. If I need to step up from there to a 243 to a 308, then I have no problem with that, and that's just the kind of advice I am seeking. The gun will do better sitting in the safe than my 401k. As I said before, I am pursuing a rimfire practice route simply at the suggestion of material I have read here. I just happen to already own the Barrett because I found a good deal on one from a guy I liked working with. I'm not going to sell it because you think I bought too much gun, so why not just try to help me along instead of kicking me because I didn't proceed in the manner you might have? Thanks at least for your advice on the canted rail and good optics. Any model specific recommendations?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: a_bishop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I run a cz 453 varmint in a Boyd's stock. W a 10x bushnell elite mil/mil scope It's a great training rifle and a blast to shoot. The 453 has the adjustable trigger which is one of the better triggers i think. The cz's are great but now that manners makes the t4 for the savage tr I would go that route if I was to do it all over agin. Spend half the money on the gun and buy better glass My .02$ </div></div>

Everything I've read eludes to the CZ being more accurate than the savage. Would you disagree?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cast1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: a_bishop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I run a cz 453 varmint in a Boyd's stock. W a 10x bushnell elite mil/mil scope It's a great training rifle and a blast to shoot. The 453 has the adjustable trigger which is one of the better triggers i think. The cz's are great but now that manners makes the t4 for the savage tr I would go that route if I was to do it all over agin. Spend half the money on the gun and buy better glass My .02$ </div></div>

Everything I've read eludes to the CZ being more accurate than the savage. Would you disagree? </div></div>

Probably in general. One thing is for sure. The CZ is a much better built rifle.

In response to your previous posts.

Do you have a decent sized lot where you live?

The reason I ask is that I use airguns to practice with more often than my nice rimfires. If I go shooting my firearms it's at least 2 hours by the time I get there and get back.

I can shoot my airguns at home. Here's some advantages to airguns as a basis for training.

The better ones are amazingly accurate. Even entry level PCP's shoot 3/4 moa most of the time at 50Y. My wifes match air rifle is more accurate than my nice 22's
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Airguns are harder to shoot than firearms in the aspect of being more sensitive to errors in shooting form. Simply put the pellet is in the barrel longer and often the lock time is slower. Follow through is essential, trigger control, holding the rifle the same way, etc, can all be learned and refined right at home.

Pellets blow in the wind quite a bit. So learning wind doping skills is a must. Depending on the power level, velocity, pellet weight, size of target, distances can be adjusted to resemble, in a smaller scale, centerfire shooting. For instance shooting my Field Target air rifle at 40Y closely resembles shooting most of my flat shooting centerfires at 500Y in the same wind conditions.

Cheap to shoot too. 500 match grade pellets are about $12 a tin.

The modern PCP air rifles are a dream to shoot. Practically no recoil. Can be bought with suppressors and are nearly silent. More powerful than you'd think. High build quality. The list goes on.

Wifes and kids like em too.

I got my Wife shooting air rifle 6 years ago. She has won 2 matches this year beating some of the best Field Target air rifle shooters in the state, including me,LOL. On second thought don't let your wife shoot your air rifle.
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Brian I am ecstatic you bought a Barrett, putting real Americans to work is a great thing. I don't have a safe full of guns, I have a few very nice guns and a few my father left to me many years ago. I use every one of them regularly, except the pink one,that belongs to my daughter. Guns that have no use get traded or sold for ones I will use.
You think I am kicking you? Sorry you feel that way. Murphy Precision can make you a rail and they are top notch with a heavy price tag. Depending on the model rifle you buy will dictate what brand rail you can buy. EGW, OS Optics, DI Products are a few that make canted rails.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cast1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: a_bishop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I run a cz 453 varmint in a Boyd's stock. W a 10x bushnell elite mil/mil scope It's a great training rifle and a blast to shoot. The 453 has the adjustable trigger which is one of the better triggers i think. The cz's are great but now that manners makes the t4 for the savage tr I would go that route if I was to do it all over agin. Spend half the money on the gun and buy better glass My .02$ </div></div>

Everything I've read eludes to the CZ being more accurate than the savage. Would you disagree? </div></div>.

I don't know that I would say more accurate slightly maybe yes but not by too much the main reason I say go savage is the cost. You can take the $250 your saving on the rifle and buy a better scope I also think the manners stocks are the way to go as they replicate a full size better. The Boyd's stock feels toyish in comparison IMO. Practicing positional shooting is the best thing to get good fundamentals Laying prone and shooting groups does not home your skills as good as moving shooting from cover and in all sorts of odd places angles and positions
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: a_bishop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cast1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: a_bishop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I run a cz 453 varmint in a Boyd's stock. W a 10x bushnell elite mil/mil scope It's a great training rifle and a blast to shoot. The 453 has the adjustable trigger which is one of the better triggers i think. The cz's are great but now that manners makes the t4 for the savage tr I would go that route if I was to do it all over agin. Spend half the money on the gun and buy better glass My .02$ </div></div>

Everything I've read eludes to the CZ being more accurate than the savage. Would you disagree? </div></div>.

I don't know that I would say more accurate slightly maybe yes but not by too much the main reason I say go savage is the cost. You can take the $250 your saving on the rifle and buy a better scope I also think the manners stocks are the way to go as they replicate a full size better. The Boyd's stock feels toyish in comparison IMO. Practicing positional shooting is the best thing to get good fundamentals Laying prone and shooting groups does not home your skills as good as moving shooting from cover and in all sorts of odd places angles and positions </div></div>

I must be missing something. Everywhere I look, the savage costs right at the same as the cz. You are talking about the mkii tr right? The cz was only about 20 bucks more on buds gun shop when I looked. Like $389 vs $410.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cast1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I must be missing something. Everywhere I look, the savage costs right at the same as the cz. You are talking about the mkii tr right? The cz was only about 20 bucks more on buds gun shop when I looked. Like $389 vs $410.
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I'm a Savage fan with a Savage rimfire rifle, but if I were to by a new rimfire rifle, I'd get a CZ.

I think CZ are better made and a touch more accurate. I've taken apart my Savage down to each component, you can easily see that Savage has cut a lot of corners.
 
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If you want practice then a Savage is fine. If you are actually going to use the rifle as a trainer then get a CZ. The CZ is more accurate by a long shot all around proven over and over to yours truly. When put to a litmus test the CZ wins out over a broad spectrum of shooters pitting Savages against CZ's. This IS the litmus test: http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2390014#Post2390014
Read all the match reports and you will see one hell of a pattern. I am not trying to discourage any Savage shooters. Start with what you can afford and shoot hell out of it daily but as a rule there are more accurate CZs out there than there are Savages.
 
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Bottom line regardless of your reasons on the .338 is just pick the one you like better and go shoot.

Some don't like the trigger on the Savage and some love it... and that will be up to you. The CZ obviously has a great following as well and for good reason. You can't go wrong either way.