Getting into LR shooting but already got this little Ruger 10/22 here that Ive had for nearly 20 years. Its all box stock. I thought this would help me get some better form and practice at a discounted rate! My plan is Hogue overmolded nylon stock, Green Mountain bull barrel, VQ trigger parts and one of the Mueller scopes. I wish I could find a place to do a one stop shop on all this but either Midway or Brownells is out of one or the other....! Does this look like a good combo to help me with my Remy 700 .308 build, just for some practice? Thoughts and suggestions are greatly appreciated!
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Practice rifle from a Ruger 10/22, need HELP!
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Re: Practice rifle from a Ruger 10/22, need HELP!
You might want to check out an extended scope mount with some MOA built into it.
My scope mount on a 10-22 is 55 minutes.
That over comes the "hump" in the reciver that comes as stock in many 10-22s, and gives me pretty good use of the scope.
My scope has almost 100 minutes of elevation. Seven minutes off the bottom lets me connect at 25 yards. 93 minutes off the bottom lets me buzz bullets all around the target at 426 yards.
You might want to check out an extended scope mount with some MOA built into it.
My scope mount on a 10-22 is 55 minutes.
That over comes the "hump" in the reciver that comes as stock in many 10-22s, and gives me pretty good use of the scope.
My scope has almost 100 minutes of elevation. Seven minutes off the bottom lets me connect at 25 yards. 93 minutes off the bottom lets me buzz bullets all around the target at 426 yards.
Re: Practice rifle from a Ruger 10/22, need HELP!
Yes make sure you add a mount with MOA and your scope has plenty of elevation like clodhopper said.
You will be amazed at the ELEV you need to shoot a 22LR at longer distances!
Have you looked at the Boyds stock?
Yes make sure you add a mount with MOA and your scope has plenty of elevation like clodhopper said.
You will be amazed at the ELEV you need to shoot a 22LR at longer distances!
Have you looked at the Boyds stock?
Re: Practice rifle from a Ruger 10/22, need HELP!
Definite "no" on the Houge stock for me. They flex, are too thin around the pistol grip area and generally feel cheap. I would find a more solid stock like the Boyd Tacticool. Add a good barrel (KIDD - www.coolguyguns.com) and the trigger parts upgrade you mentioned and you're good.
Elevation is an issue at range but you never said what distance you'll be shooting at.
Optics choice (especially on a rimfire) is very, very subjective. Try all you can and unless you will never be shooting live targets... make sure to not "over" magnify.
Definite "no" on the Houge stock for me. They flex, are too thin around the pistol grip area and generally feel cheap. I would find a more solid stock like the Boyd Tacticool. Add a good barrel (KIDD - www.coolguyguns.com) and the trigger parts upgrade you mentioned and you're good.
Elevation is an issue at range but you never said what distance you'll be shooting at.
Optics choice (especially on a rimfire) is very, very subjective. Try all you can and unless you will never be shooting live targets... make sure to not "over" magnify.
Re: Practice rifle from a Ruger 10/22, need HELP!
Well got most everything ordered up today. Went with the Boyds Tacticool as suggested. GM 20" heavy barrel with upgraded v-block. Also got the VQ hammer/spring kit. Figured I would try that for $35 bucks before I dropped the coin on a full out trigger "kit". Reviews were pretty good for just the hammer.
The scope is whole nother story. Really wanted to stay Mil-Mil as that is what Im planning to learn on my LR rifle. I really dont wana drop $300+ bucks on a scope just for this reason and for plinking around. I want to stay under $200 on the scope and that looks to be impossible with Mil-Mil. Any suggestions at all? I would definetly go Mil-Mil if they were the same price as the other options.
As for range 150 yds MAX I would think.....prolly more in the 25-100 yd stuff. I really want to build this up to aid me in proper shooting technique.
Well got most everything ordered up today. Went with the Boyds Tacticool as suggested. GM 20" heavy barrel with upgraded v-block. Also got the VQ hammer/spring kit. Figured I would try that for $35 bucks before I dropped the coin on a full out trigger "kit". Reviews were pretty good for just the hammer.
The scope is whole nother story. Really wanted to stay Mil-Mil as that is what Im planning to learn on my LR rifle. I really dont wana drop $300+ bucks on a scope just for this reason and for plinking around. I want to stay under $200 on the scope and that looks to be impossible with Mil-Mil. Any suggestions at all? I would definetly go Mil-Mil if they were the same price as the other options.
As for range 150 yds MAX I would think.....prolly more in the 25-100 yd stuff. I really want to build this up to aid me in proper shooting technique.
Re: Practice rifle from a Ruger 10/22, need HELP!
For 25-100 for a true training aide... Mil/Mil is not necessary. Use your reticule for ranging practice as well as hold over/under.
For 25-100 for a true training aide... Mil/Mil is not necessary. Use your reticule for ranging practice as well as hold over/under.
Re: Practice rifle from a Ruger 10/22, need HELP!
Ok I was just thinking that having the same on both rifles would benefit me. Im still learning all this and Im not afraid to admit that for sure!!
Ok I was just thinking that having the same on both rifles would benefit me. Im still learning all this and Im not afraid to admit that for sure!!
Re: Practice rifle from a Ruger 10/22, need HELP!
i think you will be happy with what you have purchased so far. i havent used a mod v block, but im sure itll work fine. ive had good luck with my factory ruger stuff. in terms of base i have a couple tac sol 15 moa bases on mine. ive got a couple of mueller apv's, a bushnell airgun scope and a weaver rv9. the weaver rv7 is in your price range and is a great optic for the $. its only 7x and the parallax isnt adjustable, but the thing has 80 moa of internal elevation.
i have one mueller on a flat base on my cz 452 and it goes out to 100y. my bushnell 4-12 air gun scope has about 60 moa of internal elevation, so does my 3-9 weaver. my wifes mueller has 47 moa, mine has 51. if you ever get the dallas area give me a pm and we can hit the range.
i think you will be happy with what you have purchased so far. i havent used a mod v block, but im sure itll work fine. ive had good luck with my factory ruger stuff. in terms of base i have a couple tac sol 15 moa bases on mine. ive got a couple of mueller apv's, a bushnell airgun scope and a weaver rv9. the weaver rv7 is in your price range and is a great optic for the $. its only 7x and the parallax isnt adjustable, but the thing has 80 moa of internal elevation.
i have one mueller on a flat base on my cz 452 and it goes out to 100y. my bushnell 4-12 air gun scope has about 60 moa of internal elevation, so does my 3-9 weaver. my wifes mueller has 47 moa, mine has 51. if you ever get the dallas area give me a pm and we can hit the range.
Re: Practice rifle from a Ruger 10/22, need HELP!
While you are waiting, go to Rimfire Central and read the various threads on trigger modifications. They have some really good procedures and suggestions.
While you are waiting, go to Rimfire Central and read the various threads on trigger modifications. They have some really good procedures and suggestions.
Re: Practice rifle from a Ruger 10/22, need HELP!
If you are only going out to 100-150 yards then it is hard to beat a BSA Sweet 22 .. They have BDC Turrets and are a decent scope for the money..
RIck
If you are only going out to 100-150 yards then it is hard to beat a BSA Sweet 22 .. They have BDC Turrets and are a decent scope for the money..
RIck
Re: Practice rifle from a Ruger 10/22, need HELP!
When shooting my .308 I use hold overs 90% of the time out to about 600 yards as usually in competition its timed and dialing takes extra seconds.
My .22 I have zero set at 50 and I can practice hold overs/unders easily. If shooting for groups you can always dial the turrets once you have a consistant ammo your barrel likes.
Not sure where cab shoots, but the same offer stands with me although the range I shoot at only generally allows .22 on the 25 & 50.
My 10/22 doesn't see much 100 yd time as it was set up for tight 25&50 groups with the Weaver T24 on it. That's about to change as I will be putting a low power mildot scope on and relegating it to small game duty.
When shooting my .308 I use hold overs 90% of the time out to about 600 yards as usually in competition its timed and dialing takes extra seconds.
My .22 I have zero set at 50 and I can practice hold overs/unders easily. If shooting for groups you can always dial the turrets once you have a consistant ammo your barrel likes.
Not sure where cab shoots, but the same offer stands with me although the range I shoot at only generally allows .22 on the 25 & 50.
My 10/22 doesn't see much 100 yd time as it was set up for tight 25&50 groups with the Weaver T24 on it. That's about to change as I will be putting a low power mildot scope on and relegating it to small game duty.
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Not sure where cab shoots, but the same offer stands with me although the range I shoot at only generally allows .22 on the 25 & 50. </div></div>
Ive been going to quail creek for years. they do have a rule against .22s on the 100y like most of the other ranges, but they know my skill level and never bat an eye about putting me on a bench. one time one of the range masters i normally BS with appologized about putting me next to people with centerfires at 100 that 'probably couldnt hit a 10" bullseye at 25y' -his exact words.
the past few times ive been to elm fork i have been a little disappointed in the general dispostion of the range guys. although one of the old range guys at elm fork let me shoot .22s at the 100y after i shot a .3" 5 shot group on their 50y. my cousin and i like alpine as well, other than the 100y centerfire only rule.
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Not sure where cab shoots, but the same offer stands with me although the range I shoot at only generally allows .22 on the 25 & 50. </div></div>
Ive been going to quail creek for years. they do have a rule against .22s on the 100y like most of the other ranges, but they know my skill level and never bat an eye about putting me on a bench. one time one of the range masters i normally BS with appologized about putting me next to people with centerfires at 100 that 'probably couldnt hit a 10" bullseye at 25y' -his exact words.
the past few times ive been to elm fork i have been a little disappointed in the general dispostion of the range guys. although one of the old range guys at elm fork let me shoot .22s at the 100y after i shot a .3" 5 shot group on their 50y. my cousin and i like alpine as well, other than the 100y centerfire only rule.
Re: Practice rifle from a Ruger 10/22, need HELP!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RHallenbeck</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you are only going out to 100-150 yards then it is hard to beat a BSA Sweet 22 .. They have BDC Turrets and are a decent scope for the money..
RIck </div></div>
dont waste your $$ on a BSA "sweet" anything, unless you want to buy a scope to throw away in 2 yrs or less.
the glass is shite quality, my sweet 17 (came with my hmr when i bought it) fogged out in a little more than a year.
YMMV.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RHallenbeck</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you are only going out to 100-150 yards then it is hard to beat a BSA Sweet 22 .. They have BDC Turrets and are a decent scope for the money..
RIck </div></div>
dont waste your $$ on a BSA "sweet" anything, unless you want to buy a scope to throw away in 2 yrs or less.
the glass is shite quality, my sweet 17 (came with my hmr when i bought it) fogged out in a little more than a year.
YMMV.
Re: Practice rifle from a Ruger 10/22, need HELP!
A friend of mone has the BSA sweet22 on his rifle and has had no complaints with it for the $40.00 it cost..The Simmons 44Mag series is nice. I have had mine for a year or so and the glass is good and it has side focus. The turrets are capped but still adjustable by finger with defines clicks. Retical is standard heavy duplex..
A friend of mone has the BSA sweet22 on his rifle and has had no complaints with it for the $40.00 it cost..The Simmons 44Mag series is nice. I have had mine for a year or so and the glass is good and it has side focus. The turrets are capped but still adjustable by finger with defines clicks. Retical is standard heavy duplex..
Re: Practice rifle from a Ruger 10/22, need HELP!
Check Boyds Tacticool stocks.
http://www.boydsgunstocks.com/Boyds-Tacticool-Ruger-10-22-and-77-22-Rifles-s/160.htm
And just got the Vortex/Midway specials 5-15x44 scopes with side focus. Nice little practice scope for the money.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/183567/...t-reticle-matte
Check Boyds Tacticool stocks.
http://www.boydsgunstocks.com/Boyds-Tacticool-Ruger-10-22-and-77-22-Rifles-s/160.htm
And just got the Vortex/Midway specials 5-15x44 scopes with side focus. Nice little practice scope for the money.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/183567/...t-reticle-matte
Re: Practice rifle from a Ruger 10/22, need HELP!
This is how it started. Green Mountain bull barrel and Boyd's tacticool stock.
Cheap 10/22 stock, sling and scope.
And final product with a cow-camo job. lol. I switch the scope and VQ trigger and have a harris bipod now.
This is how it started. Green Mountain bull barrel and Boyd's tacticool stock.
Cheap 10/22 stock, sling and scope.
And final product with a cow-camo job. lol. I switch the scope and VQ trigger and have a harris bipod now.
Re: Practice rifle from a Ruger 10/22, need HELP!
Mine is pretty much goin down the same way. Started with same gun. GM barrel is ordered along w/ v-block. Boyds Tacticool stock and VQ trigger also. I bought a Weaver mil-mil 3.5 x 10 tactical scope from a board member. Now Im at work out of town for 7 days. Should have it all together once I get home. Just have to order a scope base. Any recommendations? EGW?
Mine is pretty much goin down the same way. Started with same gun. GM barrel is ordered along w/ v-block. Boyds Tacticool stock and VQ trigger also. I bought a Weaver mil-mil 3.5 x 10 tactical scope from a board member. Now Im at work out of town for 7 days. Should have it all together once I get home. Just have to order a scope base. Any recommendations? EGW?
Re: Practice rifle from a Ruger 10/22, need HELP!
also be sure and grab up some Wolf MT ammo and some CCI SV.. The GM Barrel will probably like one or both of them..
also be sure and grab up some Wolf MT ammo and some CCI SV.. The GM Barrel will probably like one or both of them..
Re: Practice rifle from a Ruger 10/22, need HELP!
My 10/22 is heavily 'improved', and uses a 6-24x variable that focuses down to 15yd and has 75+MOA of elevation adjustment. I own 4 of them, have used them on my comp rifles, both C/F and R/F, and have another 2 of the 2.5-10x versions. I would use them for anything of lesser importance than my currently ultimate imperative pursuit, FV250 on my 30BR. That uses a Weaver T-24.
I would call my 10/22 custom a practice/plinking/sometimes-comp rifle, but not a trainer. With close to a grand in it; it's a shooter, period. My trainer is a very basic Savage MKIIF bolt rifle with an identical scope.
Training involves the deliberate thought and planning of each shot, and requires a kind of fire discipline that a semi, any semi, simply does not reinforce.
I would suggest that unless your 10/22, in its original guise, has absolutely no other useful purpose, it should remain unmodified. Otherewise, you would miss it.
You want a hopped up 10/22, buy a new one and have away at it.
Greg
My 10/22 is heavily 'improved', and uses a 6-24x variable that focuses down to 15yd and has 75+MOA of elevation adjustment. I own 4 of them, have used them on my comp rifles, both C/F and R/F, and have another 2 of the 2.5-10x versions. I would use them for anything of lesser importance than my currently ultimate imperative pursuit, FV250 on my 30BR. That uses a Weaver T-24.
I would call my 10/22 custom a practice/plinking/sometimes-comp rifle, but not a trainer. With close to a grand in it; it's a shooter, period. My trainer is a very basic Savage MKIIF bolt rifle with an identical scope.
Training involves the deliberate thought and planning of each shot, and requires a kind of fire discipline that a semi, any semi, simply does not reinforce.
I would suggest that unless your 10/22, in its original guise, has absolutely no other useful purpose, it should remain unmodified. Otherewise, you would miss it.
You want a hopped up 10/22, buy a new one and have away at it.
Greg
Re: Practice rifle from a Ruger 10/22, need HELP!
I agree and disagree with Greg.
The 10/22 being used as a trainer exclusively is not the best platform for preparing for your Rem 700. The best is a 40x period simply because it IS a Rem 700. With that said they areexpensive and while I wouldn't call them rare, they ain't exactly sitting on every corner either. I have a 40x that sits in an AICS (a real AICS, not some fake airsoft thing that seems to be getting popular) just like my .308... I love that thing.
With that said, with the 10/22 you absolutely can get benefit from the focus and trigger control that will translate to your 700.
Greg is very correct on if you go too crazy you'll miss your knock around 10/22. That's exactly why the T24 is coming off the Ruger. "Training" duties will land squarely on my 40x.
cab, the "old guy" on the 100 at Elm Fork is Sam. He is a great guy and actually is an old 10/22 competition shooter. I'm glad he let you on the range with your rimfire.
I agree and disagree with Greg.
The 10/22 being used as a trainer exclusively is not the best platform for preparing for your Rem 700. The best is a 40x period simply because it IS a Rem 700. With that said they areexpensive and while I wouldn't call them rare, they ain't exactly sitting on every corner either. I have a 40x that sits in an AICS (a real AICS, not some fake airsoft thing that seems to be getting popular) just like my .308... I love that thing.
With that said, with the 10/22 you absolutely can get benefit from the focus and trigger control that will translate to your 700.
Greg is very correct on if you go too crazy you'll miss your knock around 10/22. That's exactly why the T24 is coming off the Ruger. "Training" duties will land squarely on my 40x.
cab, the "old guy" on the 100 at Elm Fork is Sam. He is a great guy and actually is an old 10/22 competition shooter. I'm glad he let you on the range with your rimfire.
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Don't know that the 10/22 would teach you anything specific to the 700 but in mmy opinion whatever arm allows you to shoot the most will benefit you well.
Don't know that the 10/22 would teach you anything specific to the 700 but in mmy opinion whatever arm allows you to shoot the most will benefit you well.
Re: Practice rifle from a Ruger 10/22, need HELP!
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cab, the "old guy" on the 100 at Elm Fork is Sam. He is a great guy and actually is an old 10/22 competition shooter. I'm glad he let you on the range with your rimfire.
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I know who Sam is. He is a good guy. There is another guy who I BS with on a regular basis, he has only worked there a couple of years. He is retired coast guard, I think his name is Bobby. I have some fellow shooters that dont like to shoot there because they dont like how the range operates. I like that I dont feel like Im going to take a bullet when Im putting up targets.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RicosRevenge</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
cab, the "old guy" on the 100 at Elm Fork is Sam. He is a great guy and actually is an old 10/22 competition shooter. I'm glad he let you on the range with your rimfire.
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I know who Sam is. He is a good guy. There is another guy who I BS with on a regular basis, he has only worked there a couple of years. He is retired coast guard, I think his name is Bobby. I have some fellow shooters that dont like to shoot there because they dont like how the range operates. I like that I dont feel like Im going to take a bullet when Im putting up targets.
Re: Practice rifle from a Ruger 10/22, need HELP!
Im building it up to help me with general shooting technique and cheap fun.
Im building it up to help me with general shooting technique and cheap fun.
Re: Practice rifle from a Ruger 10/22, need HELP!
i actually find the 'heavy' 2.75-3lb 10/22 trigger makes me a better shooter when i shoot my bolt guns with lighter triggers. when i go to a bolt gun its almost easy to shoot well after the 10/22s. while it might not be an exact trainer, assuming you have good trigger discipline and are deliberate with your shots i think it can be useful practice.
i actually find the 'heavy' 2.75-3lb 10/22 trigger makes me a better shooter when i shoot my bolt guns with lighter triggers. when i go to a bolt gun its almost easy to shoot well after the 10/22s. while it might not be an exact trainer, assuming you have good trigger discipline and are deliberate with your shots i think it can be useful practice.
