Primers

#56
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Not to get off base but I used to think having a gun shop would be the greatest job in the world till I started buying more stuff and hanging out at/in more shops. As i'm sure many of you know there are some real idiots out there and it seems as though they are multiplying faster than the normal folks. The amount of down right stupid bullshit and I know you all know what i'm talking about you know everyone is a former sniper,hit man, covert ops, merc, navy seal, ranger and whatever else they saw on the latest action movie these shop owners/workers have to listen to would make me cop a tude too. Not saying some of these shop owners couldn't use a attitude adjustment but I'm sure if I listened to that BS all day I would act a little different too.
 
#58
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yeah, Samson, I know what you mean. This guy starts conversations though and then when your ideas are different he gets all wadded up. The final straw for me was the attitude he posed when I had a legally concealed weapon.</div></div>

Never needed a permit since I didnt start carrying till i got into law enforcement. If that had happened to me he would have lost a customer. NO ONE GETS MY GUN. at least not voluntarily. I can understand seeing every person who walks trough the door as a potential treat, but sorry man, you aint gettin my gun. This guy sounds like a real liability.
 
#59
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yeah, Samson, I know what you mean. This guy starts conversations though and then when your ideas are different he gets all wadded up. The final straw for me was the attitude he posed when I had a legally concealed weapon.</div></div>

Never needed a permit since I didnt start carrying till i got into law enforcement. If that had happened to me he would have lost a customer. NO ONE GETS MY GUN. at least not voluntarily. I can understand seeing every person who walks trough the door as a potential treat, but sorry man, you aint gettin my gun. This guy sounds like a real liability. </div></div>

I was so shocked that I didn't react when he took it. When he was done we walked out of the store, my friend was in there to buy a G36. He bought it online instead and found another FFL to deal through.
 
#60
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He reached over and took it?????!!!???Fuck that!!!!Shop owner or not...private citizen or not. Unless he really wants "shots fired" he is just tossing matches in a room of gun powder. I dont know what the laws are in PA. In Nevada you can carry open in most places, and concealed w/ a permit. However, if a buisness owner has a sign visibly posted stating no firearms are allowed, then you have to lock it up in your car or leave it at home. Again, law enforcement officers are exempt from those signs, but the shop can still refuse buisness and ask me to leave. Which I would be happy to.
 
#61
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He reached over and took it?????!!!???Fuck that!!!!Shop owner or not...private citizen or not. Unless he really wants "shots fired" he is just tossing matches in a room of gun powder. I dont know what the laws are in PA. In Nevada you can carry open in most places, and concealed w/ a permit. However, if a buisness owner has a sign visibly posted stating no firearms are allowed, then you have to lock it up in your car or leave it at home. Again, law enforcement officers are exempt from those signs, but the shop can still refuse buisness and ask me to leave. Which I would be happy to. </div></div>

Yeah, he talks a big game about 2nd amendment rights and acts like a F*cking king around his shop. Sure, it's his shop, but taking a weapon like that is just bad form. By the time he took it I'd just finished dropping the mag and pulling the chambered round. I was furious and shocked at his behavior. My personal advice would be to avoid his place of business. If you're hard up for primers or ammo or something then maybe it's better than nothing, but I won't go in there again. He's lost about 5k in business from me personally this year alone, none of my friends will go in there again, so there's another 5-8k a year of lost business.

I hope he's a member here and see's this post.
 
#62
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If they don't like it...........GTF out of the business.
Comes w/ the territory................of the 2 stores near me, both make a frigging killing.

MAJOR...$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
 
#65
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Bohem: I agree with you..... It's a darn shame that freaky turds are allowed to own a gun shop, I wonder how many beginning gun enthusiast were totally turned off to shooting because of him. Sorry you have one taking up space in your neck of the woods...SmokeRolls
 
#66
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So what has everyone been ordering from TNT ?? Maybe we can figure out what he does have or someone could go by and scope it out . I want some Small Rifle primers and I am not picky . I wiped Cabelas and Sportsmans out of CCI BR4's last year so I am good to go there . Just need something to make the AR's go boom .
 
#67
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The mag primers have a harder brass cup so they can take higher pressure. </div></div>

I know this is true for the Wolf primers, but I am not sure this applies across the board to the other major name brands. I think the other manufacturers use the same cups but their primers are actually different mixes for the standard and the magnum. The magnum burns hotter and a little stronger than the standard. This helps ignite the ball powders better and it helps the real large capacity cases ignite more uniformly. That is why changing primers can sometimes effect how well your load performs.
 
#69
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There are some real jerks out there who don't give some people the time of day in Stores. I try not to do business with them at all. I haven't shop at bass pro for over 11 years because of the service on an item I bought. That is the only power we have. Primers would be a different story. If you need them keep in mind you are there for 1 reason and that is it. After the primers come back on the market. I wouldn't buy crap from the store owners you act like assholes. I didnt know the one guy is a jerk but he has some primers.
 
#70
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there is a smallish sporting goods store near here that i've done business with for a while. i went there the other day looking for some Hornady 7mm A-Maxes. they had some, but were priced over $50/box of 100. so much for trying to buy local before i go online...
 
#75
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Nitehawk- I thought the mag primers had something different about them for CCI's until I was reading on here, thanks for clearing that up again. I shoot mag primers in anything 30-06 and up.

Dar- If TNT wasn't a 2 hour drive for me I'd go up and make a list for guys on here, but I really can't make the trip. I think my dad might go by in the next few days, I'll ask him to see what Tony has on shelf. There's a show that's about 40 mins from TNT's base of operations so by Monday this coming week he'll probably have bare shelves again.
 
#76
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I ordered 5k cci 250's only because it said that they were out of 1k. I also ordered 1k BR4's and Varget. I have not a grain of Varget now, so I'm fucking done with my 6br for a while. This hoarding shit has gotten out of control. I'm waiting for an email back from TnT. What did everyone else order?
 
#77
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I'm betting this is more a case of ultimately unsubstantiated panic buying, just like it was during the Clintonista regime.

Truth is, I probably couldn't afford to do the hoard buying exercise anyway, cheapo or expensive.

My stocks are no different this year than they were at this time over the past few years, only difference is my components are skewed more toward .223, rather than .260 loads.

Greg
 
#79
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Svaral months ago stocked up on all the Varget I could find, and I bought a bunch of primers whenever I saw them. To some I was hoarding, but at least I can shoot to my hearts desire without worrying about availability for the next year.

You dont buy toilet paper one roll at a time, so why buy gunpowder 1 pound at a time, or primers 1 box at a time. Buy a years supply when its available and ride out the storm. Any future buying I do will be to keep that one year level.


 
#80
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Greg, while I agree to a point, their is no reason these plants cannot go 24/7, 3 shifts, and moderate the stocking problems........
I am sure folks w/out jobs wopuld be happy to get SOME work, for a while until Der Fuehrer's , desides it's time to blow the whistle.
 
#82
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3 shifts, is 24/7....................Make hay while the sun shines!
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#83
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You would think these primers makers like Federal,CCI,Win,and even wolf. They would be mass producing these primers like crazy. They would make a shit pot of money right now. When every thing settles down. It will be back to some normal. This last 12 months have been crazy. You have to take in account for all the new reloaders. I was talking with someone at RCBS about 6 months ago. They said you wouldn't believe the orders they have taken. People was asking them how to reload. This will settle down. Some of it is people stock piling and some of it is new reloaders. I do welcome the new reloaders if they plan on shooting but not for stock piling.
 
#86
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LSUbeatUby40</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm not surprised that the guy who ordered 20k of them got his order cancelled. If TnT had them he probably canceled your order so he could sell to 10 customers who only ordered 2k each.

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And rightfully so IMO.. No one needs 20K primers of any kind at one time, especially when others are trying to find them as well and can't cause you try and buy the whole lot.. Again JMO..</div></div>

Guys just to set the record straight the 20k primer order was for 5 people we were trying to save on shipping and hazmat.

I have no small rifle or small pistol in stock, and I shoot alot
 
#87
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I recently started using Wolf small rifle magnums and would be willing to part with the approximately 4k CCI 400's that I have left. Anyone interested and desperate for primers can send me a message. The problem, though, is shipping.
 
#88
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Thanks for the list two shoes, but everyone was out of stock. There's nothing wrong with buying enough to last a while. However, buying more than you will use in 5 years is what's fucking things up. Like some cat on another site who was bragging about buying 15k primers for himself and telling the store clerk he'd buy any more that they got in.
 
#89
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If anybody lives within the Witchta Ks area. I do have a lead on primers there. Will not ship only walkins only. Has GM210s and BR2s. Pm me if you live by this area. In the Kansas City area I have a place where there is primers same walkins only. They will only sell to locals.
 
#93
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Please be aware that powdervalleyinc.com will accept your order for out of stock items, just make a note in the comments section that your realize they are out and to fill your order when the primers (or whatever) are in stock.
 
#94
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People buying 20000 primers need to stop an think about bullets and powder to go with them. Loading a 308 you would need about 128lbs of powder plus 20000 bullets plus a couple of thousand rounds of brass!! If you could find them just figure out what that would set you back!!
 
#95
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I'm looking forward to the days that there's people that bought enough for 2 lifetimes and realized that they can't shoot them all so they start selling to recoup some of what they can't use. Stores and stockpilers the same. I have enough to get me through the shortages, when primers come back down in a few years or people who paniced and bought 10k they can't use I'll buy them off for 25c on the dollar.

Raptor brings up a good point. There's ways to mitigate the costs for sure, surplus powder, free lead for bullets, and range pickups make great centerfire plinking ammo.

I load 30-30's to full velocity for 9.5 cents a round.
 
#96
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: raptor99</div><div class="ubbcode-body">People buying 20000 primers need to stop an think about bullets and powder to go with them. Loading a 308 you would need about 128lbs of powder plus 20000 bullets plus a couple of thousand rounds of brass!! If you could find them just figure out what that would set you back!! </div></div>

I have 500 pieces of Lapua 308 brass on thier 4th firing that I expect to last through 20,000+ shots.
I am not the only one to see 50+ reloads from 308 brass.

Powder is the only thing I lack to use up the 4000 primers I have stocked, only have about 1500 rounds of Varget left.
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#98
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Idaho_Elk_Hunter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Im lacking on bullets. To me the most expensive part </div></div>

That's why I bought the molds to cast my own.

Bullets are 50% of the reload cost for almost any caliber, if the bullet drops to 2 cents each for a gas check, and now the powder charge for a 308 goes from 48 grains to 14 grains, it's a BIG drop in price per loaded round.
 
#99
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Anyone order and not get an email that their order has been canceled? I ordered some powder and haven't heard of either yet. My card has yet to be charged.
 
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