Problems Hornady 178 Superformance over presure

Lowpull

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I have been haveing some problems with the hornady superformance 178 308 rounds. I have had a lot of over pressure issues and like a normal manufacture they say they cannot reproduce. So i went out and crono a few rounds and i got 2900 + before it broke the ejector in my rifle. Temp was 80, surgeon rifle. Called Hornady and they tried to blame it on a tight chamber. wtf. how about very pressure?

Just woundering if any one else have had issues.

Will post pics.
If i can figure it out

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ignore the low number next to the - that is a hand load that was still in the crono when i printed out the data.

 
Re: Problems Hornady 178 Superformance over presure

damn,thems some HOT numbers.i chrony'ed some out of my remy mil spec r5 at around 2740.they could'nt beat my handloads on velocity or accuracy so i have'nt messed with them too much.sounds like you got some hot loads or you have a very short throat causing them to jam in the lands.
 
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308 win scalpel, i am woundering if the ejector is to proud. Going to send the entire bolt back (since it broke any ways) and have it checked.

If the throught was short and jaming into the lands i think i will have the issue with other bullets. Not just the hornady rounds. I have shot Federal match 175 and Black Hills 168 match and my hand loads with no issues what so ever.

 
Re: Problems Hornady 178 Superformance over presure

It might be interesting to pull a bullet, weight powder, and do the same for one from a very different lot # (or find someone willing to do one to theirs). If the powder charge in yours is quite a bit higher (would expect small differences due to powder manufacturing variations that are usually accounted for by burn rate tests), then that kinda narrows down the problem. And yea, 29xx fps is pretty hot.
 
Re: Problems Hornady 178 Superformance over presure

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: saleen63</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sorry to hear about that Lowpull. There have been other post about people having problems with this ammo. </div></div>

Yep,
Diff cals too. Seems like they got it alittle to "hot".
 
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Here is some info from the Jan 2010 edition of American Rifleman. It's not for the 308 but is info on the Superformance Ammo:

"Using a SAAMI-standard 24" .243 Win barrel and an Oehler System 83 with Model 55 Infrared screens, Hornady's 95gr SST Light Magnum load attained 3159fps at 15', while producing an avg 57,600psi chamer pressure. With the same bullet, Superformance achieved 3175fps at 55,900psi. A competitor's load, also with a 95gr projectile, avg 3093fps at 55,600psi. Further testing revealed that Hornady's 80gr GMX reached 3397fps at 57,300psi, while a competitor's 80gr load avg'ed 60,000psi -- the SAAMI-listed MAP is 60,000psi -- to attain 3427fps. A single 85gr load hit 3270fps, but did so with a 55,900psi avg, SAAMI standard for an 80gr projectile is 3335fps, while a 95gr bullet is listed at 3060fps. The increase in velocity was obvious, as was the competition's proximity to the MAP with certain loads. Velocity gain occurred across the spectrum of loading with Superformance. Take the 300WM for example. With a 150gr GMX at 15' Superformance attained 3400fps with a 61,200psi avg, and a 180gr SST reached 3112fps at 59,600psi. In comparison, a competitor's 150gr projectile reached 3232fps at 57,700psi, while a different competitor achieved 3001fps with a 180gr bullet and a 61,500psi avg. Considering the SAAMI-listed 300WM MAP is 64,000psi, and SAAMI standard for said projectile weights are 3285fps and 2960fps, respectively, Superformance's velocity gains are readily apparent and significant. Pressure curves -- including Light Magnum's -- of the various 243 Win loads revealed what was felt from behind a range safety door: concussion. Superformance's was noticeably less than that of Light Magnum, as well as that of the majority of the competition, due to the progressive nature of the propellants. True to Emary's findings, trigger time also revealed noticeably less perceived recoil than with the other loads -- especially Light Magnum, but with other loads as well. This allows shooters to get better performance without significantly increased recoil."

It's a lot to read but does show that Superformance should be running at lower pressures. But also Hornady's listed FPS for the 178gr round is 2775fps out of a 24" barrel and you were getting an avg of 2935. Wonder if Hornady is having trouble with quality control???
 
Re: Problems Hornady 178 Superformance over presure

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MALLARD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="color: #990000">why did you keep shooting them knowing they were overpressured ? </span></div></div>
+1,
Yes, I would agree that there is ammo issues here, BUT,,,its your rifle and when you see the pressure signs, and I'm sure that sucker was loud as hell, you need to stop and start asking questions.
I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm just saying you're the guy stuck with the broken rifle and have to deal with it. We are all here to share and learn, and I would say this is a good example to share, so someone else here doesn't damage their rifle.
Good luck,
SScott
 
Re: Problems Hornady 178 Superformance over presure

I had the same issue. I started a thread about it somewhere. I saw some ejector marks, which signalled over-pressure, but I ignored them because it is "factory" ammo. Finally, I blew a primer. At that point, I stopped shooting. I called Hornady and shipped the ammo in... their cost.

They will analyze it and get back to me in 30 - 60 days.

Tight chamber is BS... they should know that most anyone willing to shell out $1.30 a round is likely running a custom stick and tight chambers abound.

I am waiting to see what they do about it. I do know there are folks who have used this ammo without issues. I am not one and clearly there are others who have had issues.
 
Re: Problems Hornady 178 Superformance over presure

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Carter Mayfield</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had the same issue. I started a thread about it somewhere. I saw some ejector marks, which signalled over-pressure, but I ignored them because it is "factory" ammo. Finally, I blew a primer. At that point, I stopped shooting. I called Hornady and shipped the ammo in... their cost.

They will analyze it and get back to me in 30 - 60 days.

Tight chamber is BS... they should know that most anyone willing to shell out $1.30 a round is likely running a custom stick and tight chambers abound.

I am waiting to see what they do about it. I do know there are folks who have used this ammo without issues. I am not one and clearly there are others who have had issues.</div></div>

Did every Superformance round that you fired cause pressure issues or just the last few?
 
Re: Problems Hornady 178 Superformance over presure

The really long thread mostly on exactly the load you are shooting has led me to conclude that the Hornady brass is soft.

That said, it's a bit hard to gauge your 125-175 fps velocity ABOVE advertised without knowing YOUR barrel length. I don't know surgeon rifles, but I imagine they can be had in more than one barrel length.

And please know that comparisons with other loads just might not be valid, since the SuperFormance stuff uses a different bullet. 175 and 168 SMKs not jamming in your lands doesn't prove squat in this discussion until and unless I have credible information about the 178 Hornady bullet as loaded. Gimme a measured distance off the lands and then I'll share more in your skepticism.

The ammo has a problem in your rifle.

You have a half-valid argument on the foreseeability of "tight" chambers, but I still see unaccounted-for variables possibly at play.
 
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I fired 8 rounds. I saw some ejector marks on the brass with the first couple of shots, then I got a stuck ejector that I was able to unstick. I fired a few more shots, then I quit when I got a blown primer.

Overpressure is overpressure. The signs were there. I could ignore them at first (ejector marks could be a sign of not enough headspace, etc), but I wasn't going to ignore a blown primer.

My thread is here.