I was wondering if someone could give me a quick run down of prone position shooting with a sling
Advanced Marksmanship prone with a sling
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Re: prone with a sling
here are some good places to start:
http://www.ray-vin.com/tech/slinghelp/slinghelp.htm
http://www.ray-vin.com/tech/websling/webslinghelp.htm
http://www.desertsharpshooters.com/manuals/Smallbore%20shooting%20prone.pdf
http://www.rifleshootingbynancy.com/
http://www.zediker.com/books/highpowerrifle/hprmain.html
http://www.usrifleteams.com/forums/index.php?showforum=29 (requires a login to here first - http://www.usrifleteams.com/forums/)
here are some good places to start:
http://www.ray-vin.com/tech/slinghelp/slinghelp.htm
http://www.ray-vin.com/tech/websling/webslinghelp.htm
http://www.desertsharpshooters.com/manuals/Smallbore%20shooting%20prone.pdf
http://www.rifleshootingbynancy.com/
http://www.zediker.com/books/highpowerrifle/hprmain.html
http://www.usrifleteams.com/forums/index.php?showforum=29 (requires a login to here first - http://www.usrifleteams.com/forums/)
Re: prone with a sling
This is how I shoot, Frank hasnoted the leg up presents a larger target - however it is still the widely most used position for learning to shoot prone - note the elbow/arms are at 90 degree angles.
http://homestudy.ihea.com/shootingskills/05prone.htm
This is how I shoot, Frank hasnoted the leg up presents a larger target - however it is still the widely most used position for learning to shoot prone - note the elbow/arms are at 90 degree angles.
http://homestudy.ihea.com/shootingskills/05prone.htm
Re: prone with a sling
wow thanks guys, when Iwas looking over the web I wasn't finding hardly a thing. I am sure these will be helpful.
wow thanks guys, when Iwas looking over the web I wasn't finding hardly a thing. I am sure these will be helpful.
Re: prone with a sling
Use of the sling is only part of the equation. Don't forget to check natural point of aim (let the sling help YOU, don't end up fighting the slling). Front site focus (assume iron sites) and trigger control are points to watch too.
Use of the sling is only part of the equation. Don't forget to check natural point of aim (let the sling help YOU, don't end up fighting the slling). Front site focus (assume iron sites) and trigger control are points to watch too.
Re: prone with a sling
Proper Prone position:
Your body should be straight behind the rifle to allow for natural point of aim to exist. The sling should be looped around the left bicep for a right hand shooter, and tight as the hand holds the rear of the stock.
A forward bent leg causes movement and does not offer a totally stable position, but is acceptable on any range. For basic learning of Marksmanship FUndamentals, the straight osition is best, and the most stable. It will bring 'shotgun' groups down to nice 1/2 MOA groups with practice
Proper Prone position:
Your body should be straight behind the rifle to allow for natural point of aim to exist. The sling should be looped around the left bicep for a right hand shooter, and tight as the hand holds the rear of the stock.
A forward bent leg causes movement and does not offer a totally stable position, but is acceptable on any range. For basic learning of Marksmanship FUndamentals, the straight osition is best, and the most stable. It will bring 'shotgun' groups down to nice 1/2 MOA groups with practice
Re: prone with a sling
NineHotel, thank you, the link for the web sling is exactly what I was hoping to see.
Now I guess the only thing unclear to me is when placing my support arm on the ground am I supposed to have it up on my elbow (bone to ground) or should the arm be more extended so as to have the area just proximal of the elbow to the ground?
It appears in the picture that the arm is slightly extened.
NineHotel, thank you, the link for the web sling is exactly what I was hoping to see.
Now I guess the only thing unclear to me is when placing my support arm on the ground am I supposed to have it up on my elbow (bone to ground) or should the arm be more extended so as to have the area just proximal of the elbow to the ground?
It appears in the picture that the arm is slightly extened.
Re: prone with a sling
By the way what do you guys think, am I wasting my time trying to learn to use the sling?
Should I just get a bipod or some sand bags.
By the way what do you guys think, am I wasting my time trying to learn to use the sling?
Should I just get a bipod or some sand bags.
Re: prone with a sling
Switchblade thanks for the clearification of the legs, bent vs. straight, I had seen pictures of both and would have gotten around to asking why the difference.
Although I had heard or read that A bent leg helps reduce the pressure on the shooters chest.
Switchblade thanks for the clearification of the legs, bent vs. straight, I had seen pictures of both and would have gotten around to asking why the difference.
Although I had heard or read that A bent leg helps reduce the pressure on the shooters chest.
Re: prone with a sling
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: azfyrmedic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
By the way what do you guys think, am I wasting my time trying to learn to use the sling?
Should I just get a bipod or some sand bags.
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Do both. The more disciples you learn the better off you are.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: azfyrmedic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
By the way what do you guys think, am I wasting my time trying to learn to use the sling?
Should I just get a bipod or some sand bags.
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Do both. The more disciples you learn the better off you are.
Re: prone with a sling
So I was looking around and I saw the T.A.B sling.
I have an old militry GI websling wich is very close to what the TAB sling is. Clearly the TAB sling is a bit faster to get into.
Anyone here using it care to give an opinion on the two?
So I was looking around and I saw the T.A.B sling.
I have an old militry GI websling wich is very close to what the TAB sling is. Clearly the TAB sling is a bit faster to get into.
Anyone here using it care to give an opinion on the two?
Re: prone with a sling
You can go to the prone matches in Ben Avery, just North of PHX and see how some of the best prone shooters in the country do it, and ask them questions or even ask for help with your position. I am sure they will be more than glad to help you.
You can go to the prone matches in Ben Avery, just North of PHX and see how some of the best prone shooters in the country do it, and ask them questions or even ask for help with your position. I am sure they will be more than glad to help you.
Re: prone with a sling
Thats a great idea, unfortunitly I have been injured recently.
I broke my back and a few ribs and my shoulder.
Have had surgery to fix said problems but I am still in the sit on my ass, no real activity phase of my healing.
I guess I am an internet bound learner for a bit.
So I am asking any question I ever had until I can get out and try it, of course then I will probably be where I was before I injured. Which was too busy working to persue my intrests.
Thats a great idea, unfortunitly I have been injured recently.
I broke my back and a few ribs and my shoulder.
Have had surgery to fix said problems but I am still in the sit on my ass, no real activity phase of my healing.
I guess I am an internet bound learner for a bit.
So I am asking any question I ever had until I can get out and try it, of course then I will probably be where I was before I injured. Which was too busy working to persue my intrests.
Re: prone with a sling
I compare shooting sling to using a clutch in a car.
If you learn to drive using a clutch, when you get into an automatic you can drive easier because the free foot/hand.
Using a sling, you learn to shoot good and then go to a bipod or a bag and it just seems way easier. I preach everyone should learn to shoot sling first.
I compare shooting sling to using a clutch in a car.
If you learn to drive using a clutch, when you get into an automatic you can drive easier because the free foot/hand.
Using a sling, you learn to shoot good and then go to a bipod or a bag and it just seems way easier. I preach everyone should learn to shoot sling first.
Re: prone with a sling
Seems to me that is the smart way, good analogy on the clutch.
I have used a sling since I was a kid, just not correctly.
Seems to me that is the smart way, good analogy on the clutch.
I have used a sling since I was a kid, just not correctly.
Re: prone with a sling
I showed up for a 500 yard prone practice match planning to shoot from a bipod with rear bag. Jim Cloward busted my chops about the "training wheels." Next day I went out and ordered Tubbs book 'Highpower Rifle" and put in the time learning to shoot from position with sling. Best thing I did to develop my shooting skills. Shooting with bipod and rear bag now seems too easy...
I showed up for a 500 yard prone practice match planning to shoot from a bipod with rear bag. Jim Cloward busted my chops about the "training wheels." Next day I went out and ordered Tubbs book 'Highpower Rifle" and put in the time learning to shoot from position with sling. Best thing I did to develop my shooting skills. Shooting with bipod and rear bag now seems too easy...
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TT, there ya go, thats the spirit! Glad Mr. Cloward gave you the chop bustin! Aint nuthin' better than whuppin up on the sandbag/bipod/scope crowd when you best them off a sling with irons.
John
TT, there ya go, thats the spirit! Glad Mr. Cloward gave you the chop bustin! Aint nuthin' better than whuppin up on the sandbag/bipod/scope crowd when you best them off a sling with irons.
John
Re: prone with a sling
Jim Cloward has shown many of us how a long-range match is won...
Absolutely love shooting with the sling. I also find it very useful in the field. This year I shot my mulie buck from sitting, with the Turner sling looped around my upper left arm, just like at the rifle range. I've long since quit carrying a bipod afield, except for some varmint shooting. Even then, I often shoot with just the sling for support.
Turner sling or the Tactical Intervention Sling. Both are excellent.
Regards, Guy
Jim Cloward has shown many of us how a long-range match is won...
Absolutely love shooting with the sling. I also find it very useful in the field. This year I shot my mulie buck from sitting, with the Turner sling looped around my upper left arm, just like at the rifle range. I've long since quit carrying a bipod afield, except for some varmint shooting. Even then, I often shoot with just the sling for support.
Turner sling or the Tactical Intervention Sling. Both are excellent.
Regards, Guy
Re: prone with a sling
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is how I shoot, Frank hasnoted the leg up presents a larger target - however it is still the widely most used position for learning to shoot prone - note the elbow/arms are at 90 degree angles.
http://homestudy.ihea.com/shootingskills/05prone.htm
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This is THE way anyone would shoot, including Frank, either straight leg or bent knee, when the non-firing hand is supporting the handguard. Only when using a bipod, sand bag, or support not requiring the non-firing hand to support the handguard, may the shooter be in the sort of position that Frank has alluded to.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is how I shoot, Frank hasnoted the leg up presents a larger target - however it is still the widely most used position for learning to shoot prone - note the elbow/arms are at 90 degree angles.
http://homestudy.ihea.com/shootingskills/05prone.htm
This is THE way anyone would shoot, including Frank, either straight leg or bent knee, when the non-firing hand is supporting the handguard. Only when using a bipod, sand bag, or support not requiring the non-firing hand to support the handguard, may the shooter be in the sort of position that Frank has alluded to.
Re: prone with a sling
I would only add that I prefer a lower position, left elbow under the rifle. Not exactly a position you can get into without some practice, but when and if you can, extremely stable. I suspect Charles uses something similar.
And, shooting off a sling, one is not likely to be straight behind the rifle as you might be shooting off a bipod or rest, but instead, you are off at an angle to the target, say 30 degrees or so.....not a firm number, but an estimate, as your NPA is going to dictate how you are oriented to the target. Position is much more critical when shooting off the sling.
John
I would only add that I prefer a lower position, left elbow under the rifle. Not exactly a position you can get into without some practice, but when and if you can, extremely stable. I suspect Charles uses something similar.
And, shooting off a sling, one is not likely to be straight behind the rifle as you might be shooting off a bipod or rest, but instead, you are off at an angle to the target, say 30 degrees or so.....not a firm number, but an estimate, as your NPA is going to dictate how you are oriented to the target. Position is much more critical when shooting off the sling.
John
