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PRS vs Benchrest Guns
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About 30 pounds and a whole plethora of rails.
Extremely summarized explanations:
Benchrest is where machinist go to show off their work - that's it. All about the tightest group size possible. The operator simply pulls a trigger or a button, believe it or not. You have multiple classes each with their own restrictions and such for the rifle. Generally they are purpose-built and tend to be on the heavy side.
PRS, entirely different. Positional field shooting with a somewhat physically demanding skill set. All about connecting difficult shots under a time limit and other environmental and positional factors. Generally the rifle will fit this, light to medium weight field portable gear.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benchrest_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precision_Rifle_Series
Extremely summarized explanations:
Benchrest is where machinist go to show off their work - that's it. All about the tightest group size possible. The operator simply pulls a trigger or a button, believe it or not. You have multiple classes each with their own restrictions and such for the rifle. Generally they are purpose-built and tend to be on the heavy side.
PRS, entirely different. Positional field shooting with a somewhat physically demanding skill set. All about connecting difficult shots under a time limit and other environmental and positional factors. Generally the rifle will fit this, light to medium weight field portable gear.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benchrest_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precision_Rifle_Series
Thanks Winnie for nothing. The question is are the guns any different. Will an impact action on a j Allen chassis be competitive in bench rest as an example.
Love people that can’t read...
Love people that can’t read...
BR = Test of equipment and load, small amount of shooter skill, (mainly in wind reading and button pushing technique)
PRS = Test of equipment and load, large amount of shooter skill in multiple areas
PRS = Test of equipment and load, large amount of shooter skill in multiple areas
Short range bench rest shoot at 100 yds and 200 yes. They typically use a 6mm bullet that weighs 68 gr. The barrel has a slow twist. There are weight limits on certain divisions
No, not even in the same realm of accuracy. A PRS gun and shooter may put some crazy small groups down from time to time, the Br rifle does it far more regularly. If you compare short range BR to PRS, the gap widens. Look into their rest setups. A bipod and a rear sand bag cant compete with that.
Really though, is apples to oranges comparison. Like comparing a top fuel car to a nascar. They’d get smoked if they played in our game, we’d get smoked in theirs.
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To be honestly I'd would personally never get into BR if I wasn't a gunsmith or accomplished machinist. Some of these guys are nearly replacing barrels as soon as load development is done for that one barrel. SD of 3 is trash! Guys getting pissed because their groups made a ragged single hole instead of a clean one. Insane accuracy, insane precision.
A thing of beauty though. I can appreciate the sheer precision and effort that goes into the sport, no doubt there. There's just no marksmanship skills required. Your magic comes from the engineering and implementation.
Benchrest Unlimited Class - Smoke 'em if you got 'em
A thing of beauty though. I can appreciate the sheer precision and effort that goes into the sport, no doubt there. There's just no marksmanship skills required. Your magic comes from the engineering and implementation.
Benchrest Unlimited Class - Smoke 'em if you got 'em
If it's so easy, go beat them at their game. Those guys helped develop all the gear and cartridges that people use to win PRS type matches.
Most of these matches are turning into a circus side show. Bouncy castle stages are not about skill. The skills you develop from shooting these matches mostly applies to these special olympics matches.
Don't presume to know how to shoot or prepare for other disciplines. The top competitors from every discipline will skunk you. How many PRS , BR, HP, F-Class, 3-Gun, Pistol matches have you ever won?
Baaaahaahahaha... stole that one, going to use it to piss people off on Instagram.
Thanks for the feedback I really like the PRS type shooting but have a disability that keeps me from being able to get around at those speeds so am trying to understand some options for me to be able to compete. One local club shoot 600 yard bench rest is why I asked the question. And there are some PRs shoots local in Wisconsin.
F-class comps might be more your speed if you truly want to shoot/compete in a long range rifle sport and can't run and gun in a PRS type of competition.
The PRS type of rifle isn't quite as specialized as an F open class of rifle of course but FT/R might be something you would want to give a try.
The PRS type of rifle isn't quite as specialized as an F open class of rifle of course but FT/R might be something you would want to give a try.
just what i was going to say ^^^....also OP may want to check in your area...we have a varmint silhouette match that is shot prone so may be something similar in your area.
So would an f class open rifle be more similar to a bench rifle? I had been looking at getting an impact 6.5 on a j Allen chassis but don’t want to get something that may not be best. It’s been hard to find anyone local as winter puts people in hiding around here. Thanks again for the feedback.
heres a little info to get you an idea of F-class....
https://www.ssusa.org/articles/2016/12/15/getting-started-in-f-class-competition/
https://www.ssusa.org/articles/2017/4/29/f-class-equipment-choices/
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https://theshooterscorner.com/
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It would be more similar to a PRS rifle in my opinion than a dedicated BR rifle but all are very specialized for the respective disciplines.
The stock on an F-OPEN rifle is more specialized for riding in an adjustable front rest and rear rabbit ear bag with parralel surfaces front and rear so it tracks straight, the A5 pattern of stock is one of my favorites and shares some of those traits but is nowhere near as specialized as the f-open stock since it has to be more user friendly as a field type stock that can be shot from all positions.
F-class is shot prone but the set up is equally at home shot from a bench.
I didn't say it was easy. I said it was more equipment and load based. If I had the desire to put $5K into a rifle that is good for nothing but shooting from a 50 lb. vice from a concrete bench, I would. I used to shoot some low key BR matches with a stock 308. The same guy won every time with a tricked out 30BR rail gun. When he'd win, his head would swell up so big his hat wouldn't fit. But when it came time to shoot anything that wasn't locked down in his vice, he couldn't hit shit.
I don't disagree for the most part, but PRS/NRL style of shooting still places a lot of responsibility for hitting the target on shooter technique and skill, not how steady your vice is.
I've shot enough rifle and handgun matches to know that the top person in that particular discipline will win, but there is a great deal of difference between the shooting disciplines that you listed. When I don't win a PRS/USPSA match, it's because I didn't shoot as good as someone else. When I don't win a BR match, it's because my equipment and load wasn't as good as someone else.
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Let's talk. My roots are short range BR from the late 70's. Moved on to ELR varmint hunting in the early 90's. I was one of the founding guys for IBS 1K BR. I was one founding guys when 600 yd. BR started. Sorry but most these guys on here don't know anyone who competes in those two BR disciplines, let alone been to a match.
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Some of you guys are focusing/thinking about unlimited class 1000yd br rigs. Actual br classes, that are more common and have higher number of shooters, is segmented into 11.5lb and 13.5lb class. What's the average weight of a prs rig 17-21lb depending on weight kit? It's hard to listen to guys compare one sport as practical when it takes a dolly to wheel around all the tactical pillows, shoot free recoil, and run 14oz triggers and still say its muh practical field match vs some br matches. As another poster mentioned, br is about machining techniques, gunsmith techniques, case development, and reloading development. All those techniques/discoveries trickle down to other rifle style matches. Fiberglass stocks, chassis, action timing, clambering, barrel manufacture technique, cartridge case design, bedding, accurate scope tracking, and shooting techniques that we all use now and take for granted, was developed from br! Laugh at that if you will, but it's the gods honest truth.
Also, if you think it's easy to shoot groups in the .0s, on demand when you are on the clock in shit conditions, then you obviously dont shoot as much as you keyboard operate.
Also, if you think it's easy to shoot groups in the .0s, on demand when you are on the clock in shit conditions, then you obviously dont shoot as much as you keyboard operate.
F class guns are BR rifles using larger actions, larger calibers and stocks configured differently. One class is shot off bi-pods and another off sandbags.
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OP...Hint......There is 1 person in this thread that has a BR stock named after him
Seek his direct advise.
Search MBR Rifle Stock
Sincerely,
Theis
delfuego said:
Most of these matches are turning into a circus side show. Bouncy castle stages are not about skill. The skills you develop from shooting these matches mostly applies to these special olympics matches.
this is one of the stupidest quotes i've read on here.
Most of these matches are turning into a circus side show. Bouncy castle stages are not about skill. The skills you develop from shooting these matches mostly applies to these special olympics matches.
this is one of the stupidest quotes i've read on here.
No, I've read a lot dumber things here than that. Some days, some threads read like arfcom gd...
Some days? Feels like most days someone is posting a thread about pros/cons/differences...
And yes I’ve been trolling the treads that start to seem like an arfcom thread. Troll on!!!!
OP, for the time being, you could attach a 3" wide sled(bag rider) to the front of a chassis system to be used with a high quality front benchrest, and get a high quality rear benchrest bag. IMO, part of the reason a BR rifle is as accurate as it is has to do with how strait back the rifle tracks and how little the shooter touches the rifle.
Years ago there was a benchrest shooter, with a 6mmBR in a screwed and glued MAK tube chassis that won a major 600Y match. He was set up like I described above.
Let's face it, you'll be just playing around until you get the proper equipment, reloading skills, etc, but you'll be learning along the way.
Years ago there was a benchrest shooter, with a 6mmBR in a screwed and glued MAK tube chassis that won a major 600Y match. He was set up like I described above.
Let's face it, you'll be just playing around until you get the proper equipment, reloading skills, etc, but you'll be learning along the way.
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Are you new here or something?
Keep your "witty one-liners" for your twitter followers.Have you competed in a National PRS match lately? It's now "one gimmick per stage". Stage #1 Bouncy Castle / Stage #2 shoot of 5 Barrels in 90 seconds / Stage #3 Shoot 1rd out of a 10rd magazine, run 10ft grab a single round, run back, shoot 1rd (repeat) / Etc / Etc. Practical ain't a word I would use to describe it.
Do you even shoot matches Bro?
I do miss the "it's me, and the wind, off the bipod" on steel, type matches, combined with a high hit percentage!
I like guns. The cartridges, scopes, custom actions, outstanding barrels and many other developments in accuracy ALL came from Benchrest guys. It’s like car guys, drag racing vs top fuel vs Rally. I’m a Jay Leno type when it comes to guns and shooting disciplines. I love them all.
And yes, The bouncy castle stage is very practical at showing how impractical some stages get.
My motto
Buy all the guns
Shoot all the guns
And yes, The bouncy castle stage is very practical at showing how impractical some stages get.
My motto
Buy all the guns
Shoot all the guns
Nice write up! I want to clarify that my post strictly spoke pertaining to the Unlimited Class. HP, Tactical, even throwing F-Class in all have their own different challenges. I also want to go on record saying that I am in no way a BR or F-Class expert. I love watching, never have competed in any of these.
Practical is such a slippery slope too I feel, almost "judgmental". If people knew truly how much cost and preparation went into all of these disciplines the word "practical" would never be uttered. Same applies to PRS, just at a lesser degree.
It's possible to succeed in PRS matches with a 3/4 MOA rifle. One isn't even going to get in the door with that spec in BR.
Yes and no. How many guys run a stock rem 700 in prs? Most if not all are running a gunsmithed 700 or custom action, same as br guys. A bart or Krieger costs the same whether it's for prs or br. Same goes for a bedded fiberglass or wood stock. A good barrel, shooter, and ammo with a fairly basic well built 6ppc can lay down some impressive groups. What I'm trying to say is that the average prs rifle/optic probably cost as much if not more than a decent br rig.
I agree, and not many, unless it's "production" class. Even then probably not many. One can take the best tuned platform and load like ass for it or just be a lazy marksman thusly turning it into your run-of-the-mill shooter. You get these guys... the people that think that because they spent X money on a system that they can "relax" as a marksman. Happens all the time. Granted those guys don't progress far, but it happens - in every disciple of all shooting sports.
Come on you are not totally not being fair... 14oz triggers on a PRS gun, who would do that??? That seems so 2017..
Last year I saw a guy as low as .5oz and a bunch under 8oz.. LOL Seems to really have exploded with the rise of the tiger tech..
I posted in another thread that in the last couple years, I have seen more rounds go off before the shooter was on target (even at the range) than I have in maybe the 20 years earlier...
anyway, i agree with your post.. just having fun.
It sounds to me like the OP has a gun he wants to build (Impact Action, JAE Chassis) and is looking for a discipline to compete in with it because PRS might be hindered by his disability.
I would encourage the OP to reach out to the local match directors and explain your situation. I'm sure any MD in his right mind would just encourage you to come out and shoot what you can at each stage.
Alternatively, if you are excited about the build and looking for a discipline to use it in again I think any MD for a local match F-class, et al would welcome you to come try the sport with what you have as long as it's safe to use. You might not win but will learn a lot.
I would encourage the OP to reach out to the local match directors and explain your situation. I'm sure any MD in his right mind would just encourage you to come out and shoot what you can at each stage.
Alternatively, if you are excited about the build and looking for a discipline to use it in again I think any MD for a local match F-class, et al would welcome you to come try the sport with what you have as long as it's safe to use. You might not win but will learn a lot.
