Rifle Scopes PST 2.5-10x44 vs SS 3-9x42 for utility rifle

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I am going to be doing my first bolt action build--a 20-23 inch .308 on a FN SPr action--while I am home on mid-tour and want to get a low-ish powered variable to mount on it. The concept is for a "utility rifle," a general-purpose .308 that is handy and accurate enough for targets out to 500 yards or so.

I had considered a fixed 10x SS HD, but the 3-9x42 has gotten such good reviews that if I go SS, that will be it. The advantage of being able to drop down to 3x beats a minor advantage in top-end magnification, and the 3-9 is said to have significantly better glass than the basic SS series.

The other contender is the Vortex PST 2.5-10x44, which is roughly the same size as the SS. It has a hashed reticle which I prefer to the SS mil-dot and is still mil/mil adjustable. I have read that the SS will have better glass, but the PST is illuminated, which is a plus. I am also aware that the PST is SFP, but in any circumstance where ranging or wind-hold are an issue, I can't see that I would be shooting at less than 10x anyhow.

I have not had a chance to handle either of these scopes, so I can't compare adjustments, etc., directly, but they seem to be pretty evenly matched. The PST has an edge in the reticle and in range of magnification, while the SS has the advantage in glass quality and being FFP, though, as I said, I am not certain FFP is a major advantage at low magnification, and my even be a disadvantage if the reticle gets too fine at the bottom of the magnification range.

So which way do you think this breaks? I am really stuck on this one. I doubt I will be unhappy either way, but I would like to get it as right as possible.
 
Re: PST 2.5-10x44 vs SS 3-9x42 for utility rifle

That is a tough call. I own a Vortex Viper 6.5-20X44 and two of the SS 3-9X42 scopes. I would have to give the edge to the SS for glass, ruggedness and the feel of the turret adjustments. They both have great warranties and customer service. The outer cross hairs of the SS "grow" towards the center as magnification decreases because of the FFP feature. I've satisfied myself that the heavy cross hairs could be used at 3X to make a shot if there is enough light to identify your target. However, the Vortex PST has illumination. I guess I'd lean towards the SS just because I've got nearly 4000 rounds through rifles using them and I trust their ruggedness and precision of adjustment.
 
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I would like to be able to hunt with it. I have used an illumiated reticle in thick woods before and thought it was worthwhile (though not entirely necessary) and I am certain I want a variable on this one. Otherwise, since it will be my GP rifle, I want something durable enough that it will hold up under regular field use. A 6-24 seems a bit much on a rifle I want to keep trim, not to mention another $250.
 
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The PST has superb glass. The clarity is excellent, and it's very bright. For hunting and general use, those are important for me. I have not looked at the SS, but the general consensus is that they're fantastic scopes as well. However, the PST has the edge in terms of features. 4x erector allowing a lower bottom mag and higher top magnification, and it's illuminated. For me, that puts the PST on top. If SWFA would put illumination on the SS, I think it would be more of a toss-up.
 
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The SS will be more durable than the Vortex overall. They were specifically designed to be one of the toughest scopes ever made. Way over built in all the right places for guns like the M1A that trash most scopes.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TheOneTwo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The SS will be more durable than the Vortex overall. They were specifically designed to be one of the toughest scopes ever made. Way over built in all the right places for guns like the M1A that trash most scopes. </div></div>

I own both brands and that is my impression as well. One of my SS 3-9X42s lives on an M1A NM and I've had no problems.
 
Re: PST 2.5-10x44 vs SS 3-9x42 for utility rifle

Super sniper scopes are sturdy and do everything that they advertise. So if it has the features and magnification you want then go for it.

PS - there is a used SS3-9 on the samplelist right now for 500$. Even if you didn't like it and sold it you would only lose 50$ tops.
 
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i have had bothonlly in more power didnt like the ss at all thogh it wasalittle cloudy like the vortex so muuch i up graded and now have three vortex one that is for sale so my vote goes for vortex all the way
 
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So when you say both only in more power, you are talking about the old line of SS scopes right? If so they do not compare to the new line.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TheOneTwo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So when you say both only in more power, you are talking about the old line of SS scopes right? If so they do not compare to the new line. </div></div>

That's what I figured too. Probably had a 16x42 or 20x42 which are both exit pupil challenged.

The original line has been around so long and the new lines are so new that it will take a while for the difference to be more widely known. The new SWFA SS 3-9x42, 10x42 HD and 1-4x24's are made in Japan like the original series and that is where the similarities stop. They are made in a different factory, using different glass/coatings, internals, etc. They share no common parts or optical designs.
 
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I'll put in another plug for the SS scopes. Mine's a 1-4 but the thing seems built like a tank. The only bad thing is that I ordered the exact same kit offered in the group buy a couple weeks ago and paid full price for everything lol. Still worth it though...
 
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anyone played with the ss 1-4 with the tpost crosshair. is it pretty quick acquisition for cqb? i was pretty much sold on the donut reticle but with this amazing group buy i am considering just going with the crosshair style if its pretty quick still?

anyone with one have any pros or cons to this reticle for cqb out to about 600 meters? i do want it to be quick up close much like a redot and that is basically my main concern
 
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I have both reticles. The T is not quite as fast as the Donut. But it still works very well. The donut just pulls you to the center a little quicker.
 
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I am going with the 3-9 SS. If I decide to go with a higher mag scope on this rifle, I think the 3-9 will do just fine on one of my ARs. I have been reading a lot on the SS and the durability seems to be top notch.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: para1505</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a SS10x42.How much better is the glass on the HD? </div></div>

It is noticeably better. I've very happy with my SS10XHD.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: grunt soldier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">anyone played with the ss 1-4 with the tpost crosshair. is it pretty quick acquisition for cqb? i was pretty much sold on the donut reticle but with this amazing group buy i am considering just going with the crosshair style if its pretty quick still?

anyone with one have any pros or cons to this reticle for cqb out to about 600 meters? i do want it to be quick up close much like a redot and that is basically my main concern </div></div>

I ran both styles when I reviewed them back in December. I had four range sessions and went through about 600 rounds of ammo and used both about equally. I have a slight preference toward the circle, but if the group buy had been in effect when I got mine I would be all over it and never look back. I have read comments like "the "T" would be better at distance because the circle will block you field of view" and the "Circle would be better up close". Both design are as big as you need and bold and bright up close and the circle gets big enough at distance that I don't consciously notice it. In testing both designs at close range against an Aimpoint I think the "T" was a little faster IIRC, regardless it was marginal. Link to original review: http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2242104&page=1
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: para1505</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a SS10x42.How much better is the glass on the HD? </div></div>

Alot. It would be like comparing a Leupold VX2 to an IOR.
 
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awesome, ty praire dog dundee, this is what i wanted to know. also pm'd another memeber and he basically confirmed that also. i didn't think it would be slow by anymeans just figured i would check and see what others thought. i am no longer in the army so my technical need for cqb has gone a bit but i still like the option. i think i am just going to go with the group buy and save the couple hundred dollars for more reloading supplies
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sorry for the hijack op and thanks for the responses