Okay, final (I hope) post on this topic.
If you are planning on buying this DBM for a Model 10 PC, buyer beware, it does not fit (as Milanuk said "not even close). I am not going to get into a bashing contest over PTG, just merely say that I contacted them before they shipped my DBM to hold off, as I had heard the DBM wouldn't fit, and they shipped it anyways (had over eight hours to keep it from going out, and did nothing).
When I got the DBM, I pulled the rifle apart and confirmed that the DBM wasn't going to fit without some significant work to either the DBM or the stock. For those unaware, the accu-stocks have an aluminum bedding block in the stock, the length of the receiver.
When I contacted PTG, the lady was polite, but said there "are no returns on DBM's, it's our policy" (which was news to me, as that was NOT stated when ordered, or marked on the invoice which they later said it was; I can provide a scanned copy if folks disbelieve me). At any rate, when I asked to speak to Dave personally, I was told "Dave doesn't take these kind of calls". I could tell the lady on the phone was nervous and was caught in the middle; between company policy and knowing this was BS. I got the impression I was not the first caller with this issue. At any rate, as I explained, she said she would talk to her manager "Jessica" and I offered to send photos, which she gratefully said she would appreciate.
Two hours later I get an e-mail, forwarded (with comments redacted) from the shipping person to "Jessica", and "Jessica" responding to my e-mail to hold shipment. How convenient (I thought) that I should get this e-mail after speaking with the CS rep (and sending her an e-mail with the photos). She requested that I "try it out first" and I quote
"I would really appreciate if you gave it a try and let me know personally how it fits your own Savage rifle." Considering I had already spoken with "Denise" on the phone about this not fitting, I have a suspicion she already knew this. Further, in the e-mail she (Jessica) continued
"We have been noting our invoices that we do not allow returns/refunds on bottom metal and magazines, because we have had some issues lately with customers changing their minds or other various reasons, and wanting to return their bottom metal for refund. However, on the flip side we have always stood by our products AND our customers, and I have yet to see a customer with a special circumstance that we are unable to resolve to everyone’s satisfaction. So please do not feel that we are completely inflexible in working with you!
Okay. So I respond in an e-mail a week ago stating that the DBM does not fit, and would require inletting the stock to make it fit. Also, that these were sold/marketed as "drop-in and/or OEM" parts. And also a link to this thread and post #47 where Dave specifically states:
I will elaborate , blfuller the savage Bottom metal will have a Magazine and inlet for every inlet Savage Makes and then Some and it will bolt in with little if any work . The girls can only take orders for Savage Models and spacing because they are not familiar with the fit like I am so until the drop in photos hit our web site you wont realize how easy its going to be for 99 bucks. When I say we will do them all that's exactly what I mean . I hope this helps . We are setting up a new E400 7 pallet CNC machining center to accommodate the other 18 HAAS machines to assure we make it all. Thanks Dave
And because of this post, I would like to send this product back for a refund. I said that I understood their policy about returns, but that I felt we were promised one product and delivered one that did not meet that promise. I then asked her how she would feel if she had been promised one thing, promised a delivery in 8 weeks, and then received something else and also waited 20 weeks? I then asked her how do we resolve this?
It has been a week now since that e-mail was sent. A week is more than enough time to allow a response, so I am now posting to others. Be advised, you will have to mod your stock if you have a Savage Model 10 Precision Carbine.
The problem is the flange along the top of the DBM. This photo shows it next to the OEM DBM.
As you can see in this picture the PTG DBM does not fit the stock's cut out, since it is not wide, or tapered, enough to fit.
The front of the DBM is wide enough, it's the back that is too wide (like .110-150" too wide). Since these rifles have an aluminum bedding block in the stock, I don't think a little sand paper or dremel tool is "minor fitting" that would work very well with this much material being required to be removed. Basically, we're talking (if you want a decent fit and finish, this stock will need to be milled out to fit.
Since I have not heard anything back from PTG I would assume, they just figure ignoring the problem is the best way to deal with this. I'm not going to lie, this fucking pisses me off, but not for personal reasons, more so, its the principle of the matter. PTG is knowingly screwing folks, and that just rubs me the wrong way.
I have a mill, so this isn't a big deal for me. But for the guys that don't have one, or are dropping a hard earned $177 so they can have a paper weight that doesn't fit, from a company that apparently doesn't give a shit enough to even attempt address a customer problem; well that is just plain wrong. As such, I am making this post for two reasons:
1. So folks know exactly what they are getting, and the resulting behavior of the company when there is an issue.
2. To pass on what is needed, if you have to have one fit.
Essentially, you'll need to mill .080" off each side of the mag well slot, to a depth of cut that is .400". I just bolted the stock the mill table and had at it. Set up and mill time is about 40 mins, less if you don't have to tear down an existing set up (which is the real pain, right? Because you have to reset it up after you're done).
When it's done, it should look something like this.
Again, if you have a mill, this isn't too big a job at all. That being said, I didn't purchase this DBM so I could go out into the garage in 100* weather to mill the stock to fit either.
I'm not sure what the hell is going on with PTG these days, and I am not here to bash them. I just want folks well aware of what they're buying with this bottom metal, and how silence seems to be PTG's response to a problem they themselves produced.
P.S. Yes, these photos (sans the milled stock) were what Jessica received a week ago and has yet responded to.