PTG vs Williams Floor Plate Bottom Metal

[lonely_wolf]

I am not happy with my factory Rem floor plate and am considering upgrading to something more solid.

Badger, Sunny Hill, Ross are all is too expensive.

Now I am looking at Williams and Pacific Tool and Gauge.

I've read quite a lot about the Williams, but found little on the PTG. The Williams seems to have the reputation, but PTG is offering stainless steel. So, is anyone using PTG's bottom metal?

How does the fit and finish compare to Williams and others?

Does the floor plate have any play? The factory Rem really annoys me because it has so much side to side play. I always have to be very careful when closing it. Would be nice to be able to just slam it home, so to speak.

PTG also offers what I will call 'regular' versus 'Oberndorf style,' other than personal preference, is there any reason to pick one over the other?

Thanks.

 

[Hateca]

Re: PTG vs Williams Floor Plate Bottom Metal

PTG is a direct drop in to the Remington BDL floor plate in every stock that is cut for factory BDL. The Williams is not a direct drop in for every stock.

McMillan stock cut for Remington BDL will not take the Williams without a little work on the stock to clear the floor plate door. The reason for this is the door is shaped differently and McMillan machines a recess into the stock so the door sits lower then the stock line. HS type stock the door sits on top of the stock line. On HS type stocks it will drop in with little or no fitting.

Both are very good but if you are looking for a direct drop in the PTG is the one.

The Oberndorf style bottom metal from PTG will have the same issue with the floor plate door on McMillan stocks that are cut for the Remington BDL.

How all this works on say a Manners stock I'm not sure since I have never seen a Manner cut for anything other then a DBM.

 

[mheckman]

Re: PTG vs Williams Floor Plate Bottom Metal

I have a M70 being built with the PTG bottom metal. I had it in my hands for a few days before shipping it off with my rifle. It came disassembled but the hinge pin was definitely going to be a snug fit (read as being good). Fit and finish was excellent too. I talked to Dave about release options, and was told it was preferred to have the release outside of the guard to prevent accidental release by the trigger finger. So mine has the release in the standard M70 location, outside the guard. I think he said that they do have plans to make an Oberndorf style for the M70.

I had looked at and even back ordered the Williams, but the ship date kept being pushed back. It was originally scheduled for the end of August but has been pushed back repeatedly and is now sometime in December.

With the delays from Williams and the reputation of PTG putting out high quality work, the decision to go with PTG was easy.

 

[Kells81]

Re: PTG vs Williams Floor Plate Bottom Metal

PTG is the silver one and Williams is the black one. I was annoyed when I got the pics of this from my wife since the lady on the phone with PTG said it was the same as a floor plate they had a picture of on their website but it turned out to look nothing like it. Made out of steel and is 100% functional it just wasn't what I was looking for. I think I noticed a post by PTG here somewhere showing Floorplates that look more similar to the Williams unit and wouldnt mind getting my hands on one to check it out.

PTG Drop in and I think the Williams needs a little work to fit in a McM stock though it dropped into my Boyd's inlet very well.

 

[Texar2]

Re: PTG vs Williams Floor Plate Bottom Metal

I have installed several williams into hs police stocks. The fitting only took a few hours a piece and was done with hand tools. Fit and finish is excellent. Function is very tight. I highly recommend it. I dont know much about others because once i tried this i was sold. I did buy another brand from midway usa that was described as a one piece. It was really 2 pieces pinned together. I sent it back and got the williams. Cant remember which brand it was.

 

[mackdrvr]

Re: PTG vs Williams Floor Plate Bottom Metal

+1 with the Williams unit. It was a perfect fit into a HS P stock. No fitting required. I highly recommend it. Like the other dude said the quality, and craftsmanship is awesome. A great product.

 

[dmg308]

Re: PTG vs Williams Floor Plate Bottom Metal

PTG for me I have used a few of the tacticals and they are top notch.

 

[lonely_wolf]

Re: PTG vs Williams Floor Plate Bottom Metal

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poke</div><div class="ubbcode-body">... PTG said it was the same as a floor plate they had a picture of on their website but it turned out to look nothing like it.</div></div>

I wonder if you saw the Oberndorf model and received the other or the other way around? Just a thought. Thanks for the pictures. The Williams looks a bit more beefy with a larger trigger guard.

Oh Heck, thanks for also sharing your experiences. The same reasons are leading me to PTG. Williams took a long time to get back to me. PTG returned my email immediately.

Recoil, I am curious about this 'one piece' business. What exactly is supposed to be one piece? Isn't the factory Rem a one piece, even though it is a guard with a hinge door (two pieces!)?

 

[kiff]

Re: PTG vs Williams Floor Plate Bottom Metal

We have three types of bottom metal. The heavy duty tactical, standard remington and beefy oberndorf . They all fit a remy type stock and they are all machined from plate . We have pics of a few on our web site. I like the tactical looks and feel but alot of folks are ordering the other two styles also. They are on the shelf and easy on the check book . Thanks Dave

 

[chucknelson]

Re: PTG vs Williams Floor Plate Bottom Metal

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HateCA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

The Oberndorf style bottom metal from PTG will have the same issue with the floor plate door on McMillan stocks that are cut for the Remington BDL.


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This is not the case. While PT&G's "oberndorf" floorplate does not fit into McMillans BDL "shadowline" inlet it does cover it nicely where the Williams does not.

 

[Hateca]

Re: PTG vs Williams Floor Plate Bottom Metal

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chucknelson</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HateCA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

The Oberndorf style bottom metal from PTG will have the same issue with the floor plate door on McMillan stocks that are cut for the Remington BDL.


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This is not the case. While PT&G's "oberndorf" floorplate does not fit into McMillans BDL "shadowline" inlet it does cover it nicely where the Williams does not. </div></div>

Well then they changed it because I have one it don't, then again it could be something with this one McMillan stock I have.

 

[mjh30]

Re: PTG vs Williams Floor Plate Bottom Metal

Pt&G +1

 

[n8lusk]

Re: PTG vs Williams Floor Plate Bottom Metal

I can't speak for Williams because I've never owned any of their products. I have ordered several items from PTG including their steel Oberndorf floorplate (which was a drop in fit). I have never had a complaint with PTG's quality or customer service and as long as they make what I need I will go with them.

 

[lonely_wolf]

PTG

I wanted to update the thread as I had a very interesting telephone conversation with a Mr. Kiff at PGT earlier this evening.

First, I must say they run a very sharp business. The phone was answered immediately and politely. Mr. kiff was busy, I left my number, and was promptly called back. He was knowledgeable, relaxed, and easy going. I really appreciated this manner of handling business. I will be purchasing the PTG BM in the very near future, that is certain.

Mr. Kiff had a few things to say concerning my questions regarding PTG bottom metal. First, there is no difference in durability or efficiency of the regular or oberndorf bottom metals. They are also very similar visually. The biggest difference, and what distinguishes the two, is the placement of the button to open it up. The regular model has the button located on the top of the trigger guard identical to the standard Rem variety. The oberndorf has the button located along the bottom of the trigger guard.

Mr. Kiff said he had received some feedback from hunters concerning the location of this button near the bottom of the guard. They disliked the oberndorf because it was easy to accidentally hit the button and empty the rifle. Especially when wearing gloves. On hearing this, I believe it, although it had not crossed my mind beforehand. However, to each his own.

He spoke very highly of their aluminum models. He mentioned that tests done independently had shown them to be of equal strength and durability to the steel and stainless steel models. They can also be conveniently anodized in basic colours.

All in all, it was a great conversation and I learned a lot.

 

[triggerguard1]

Re: PTG

To clarify some of what has been said about Williams Firearms bottom metal, they are and remain the only true drop-in trigger guard for the Remington 700.

They will have gaps if fitted into a McMillan stock and only a McMillan stock, if the stock was originally inletted for the factory BDL. This is because McMillan is the only manufacturer of stock that also inlets their floorplate, rather than just the guard itself. This is not a problem on any other brand of stock currently being sold.

What sets the WFC guard apart from the other guards currently being manufactured is the radiused front tang and rail section of the guard, allowing it to perfectly match the contour of the stock. This is something that can not be accomplished with a conventional flat-railed trigger guard. I know this, because I designed the first ones flat and it created gaps in the mag well area on the side of the stock, just as I've seen with the competitors products as well.

Many people over the last 3 or so years have been continually confusing the older trigger guards with the new ones being offered, which has resulted in folks believing that the new models require inletting, which they don't.

There used to be two different models of BDL's that were offered. One was "Flat" and one was "Round". Since the round would work in all stocks, with the exception of the McMillan, as a drop in, the "Flat" models were discontinued.

Some would ask why the price difference? Well, it simply is more time-consuming and expensive to manufacture the round model, but its the only way to get it to fit correctly. Each and every floorplate, trigger guard, and latch are matched units and not interchangeable. By doing this it eliminates any chance of a rattle in the floorplate, now or later in its life.

Lots of hand finishing and assembly go into them as well, which is why I always enjoyed sitting the competition side-by-side just so you could see where the extra money was coming from.

Alas, this is no longer my career and I'm not an owner of Williams Firearms Company any longer, but I felt that it was necessary to set some of this record straight and explain the differences.

My father is working very hard to get things back on track and get his business back up to speed after his move, which he just finished up a couple of weeks ago.
I have the utmost faith that the quality that we were known for will continue into the future and I'd not be surprised if some new things started coming from there as well.
I always tended to hold him back on new bottom metal endeavors, simply because I'd seen enough trigger guards to last a lifetime and wanted to build something different for a change.

 

[kiff]

Re: PTG

Lonely Wolf , thanks for your calls and interest in our Cutting tools, machined parts and bottom metal. If you ever have any type of parts you need made or think of a fixture that mite help you get a job done faster let me know and I will make it for you. As you can see we are adding tooling and parts to our web site every week . Thank You Dave

 

[918v]

Re: PTG vs Williams Floor Plate Bottom Metal

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kiff</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We have three types of bottom metal. The heavy duty tactical...</div></div>

What does it look like? Do you have a pic? Thanks.

 

[RobG]

Re: PTG vs Williams Floor Plate Bottom Metal

I run a Williams and it is a very nice piece. Very stiff, flawless finish, no wobble in the hinge, and the release button fits so well you can almost not see the seam. It was installed by my gunsmith so I cannot attest to fitting; its in a B&C stock.