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if you were in the military, did they rake you over the coals about your relationship? In my case, they actually make me sit before a committee who interrogated me because of the clearances I had back then.
ALL of the many Russian-Americans I know except for two people think Putin is the greatest. As do their extended relations over there. And of those 2, one is married to a Ukrainian, and the other claims to be anti-Putin but is 100% pro-Russia/anti-Ukraine over this conflict.....so I'm not sure how "anti-Putin" she really is.
Point being, Putin is extremely popular, no matter what our MSM says. And of the anti-Putin types over there, many are younger people with severe self-loathing Oikophobia, just like our activist kids here.
What conflict have we fought since WWII where we weren’t getting shot at with Russian weapons?
I have zero problems arming the Ukrainians. The Russians set the president.
I have zero problems arming the Ukrainians. The Russians set the president.
again that's a bit hypocritical.
we armed iran so they could killing 100s of thousands of iraqis armed with russian shit.
then when carter fucked up and iran was taken over, we armed the iraqis (saddam) to kill a shitload of iranians and kurds.
Have you seen Mariopol? There is nothing left. They raised the city exactly like they did in Grozny. You are the one with zero basis to assume everything is a military target, but everything IS a military target. We’ve watched the Russians do this before. It’s nothing new. This isn’t an antiseptic war with JDAMs. This is like a Nazi blitz. The object is not just to destroy Ukraine’s military, but to kill as many as possible to demoralize them. It’s backfiring. The Russian Army is demoralizing itself. Imagine if we were ordered into Canada and started destroying their cities and shelling their population. How do you think our moral would hold up?
Wake up.
are you completely unaware that war has been going on since 2014? for fuck's sake dude. much of that destruction has existed since 2014..
Caught in the Crossfire in Eastern Ukraine
Battles in eastern Ukraine have surged anew, with the civilian population suffering dozens of deaths from ongoing rocket attacks.
www.theatlantic.com
not, it is butt the fuck out and don't let corrupt intelligence and policy makers lure you into funding or fighting another war.
too late.
the propaganda is so shameless. Ukraine is even doing photo ops of their soldiers hugging puppies and kittens, aimed exactly at the bleeding heart types here.
funny how you sit on a throne of moral authority built upon a pile of corpses, and dare to point fingers.
The level of propaganda is absolutely insane. I wonder how much of the emotion we have here on both sides of this argument here are a result of massaged information. If we think this isn’t happening we are wrong. Even we on this forum are tearing each other apart - for what?
WTF are you even talking about? Which throne am I on, where did I get my corpses, and what fingers am I pointing? I am merely saying that truth that, in matters of state, the strong do as they will, and the weak suffer what they must. Hypocrisy has nothing to do with it. Neither does moral authority.
It’s never been any different. Rape, pillage and plunder. And outright genocide. But it’s different this time because it’s happening when we are alive and the media says we must care above our own borders and national security. Who cared here about Amin? Or Pol Pot? Or Sudan, Chad or the Congo? Never mind South America. Or human trafficking. Why is Ukraine now so special that it earns our attention?name one war in history where common citizens didnt feel the brunt of it. it goes back millenia.
US just calls it collateral damage and shrugs their shoulders.
if the "weak" are suffering, it is only because of zelensky and the corrupt western powers that baited putin into acting, and then failed to admit their mistakes and give in to somewhat reasonable demands (basically stop killing ethnic russians in eastern ukraine).
instead, they chose to give the nazis even more powerful weapons, well before russia invaded.
what were the nazi battalions going to do with those javelins?
we see now, don't we, except it would have been directed entirely on the folks that live and fight in the donbas region.
graham said he was doing it and it is all on video. he told them he was going to give them what they need to destroy the enemy once and for all, and they were gearing up for it.
Because the global media industrial complex tells us what to care about and support, and they are very convincing.
They could honestly be making most of it up. everything we see could be edited and CGI. there is no way for me to know whats real or not unless I see it with my own 2 eyes. they control information so well there would be no way for contradictory information to propogate and if it did they would make it out to be fake.
they told us that the serbs were to blame, and so we believed them.
then wikileaks showed that the cia flipped a coin on who we would blame and target with our morally authorized killings.
i mean, a row of bodies in a ditch can be whoever they say it is. serbs they fingered had been working with the cia already.
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Here's the way I look at it. If I got up tomorrow and Putin had taken Ukraine, I still wouldn't care. If Ukraine had successfully repelled the Russian army, no cares given. I personally don't support either side and think we have way bigger issues to deal with here at home. See, I'm not a karen or a ken. I'm all for personal choice and letting those two work it out.
And, FWIW, Europe is more concerned with keeping their asses warm, which is why Russian NG supplies have not only resumed, but increased around 20%. The US is posturing with sanctions as they have contracts to uphold. Russian oil is still coming into the US and at a faster rate than before because they want the contract fulfilled. I'd take most world news with a grain of salt. The only thing television is good for anymore is background noise. Maybe a weather report, but that will change by lunch time anyway.
And, FWIW, Europe is more concerned with keeping their asses warm, which is why Russian NG supplies have not only resumed, but increased around 20%. The US is posturing with sanctions as they have contracts to uphold. Russian oil is still coming into the US and at a faster rate than before because they want the contract fulfilled. I'd take most world news with a grain of salt. The only thing television is good for anymore is background noise. Maybe a weather report, but that will change by lunch time anyway.
I haven’t watched tv in 7-8 years other than a few minutes when I go see my family few times a year. It’s pretty great not having it.
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Would love to get rid of it, but I have a wife who glues her ass to the couch with her Hallmark on.
Kosovo: A European Narco State
When Kosovo proclaimed its "independence" in February, the Western media hailed the provocative dismemberment of Serbia, a move that completed the destruction of Yugoslavia by the United States, the European Union and NATO, as an exemplary means to bring "peace and stability" to the region.
If by "peace" one means impunity for rampaging crime syndicates or by "stability," the freedom of action with no questions asked by U.S. and NATO military and intelligence agencies, not to mention economic looting on a grand scale by freewheeling multinational corporations, then Kosovo has it all!
From its inception, the breakaway Serb province has served as a militarized outpost for Western capitalist powers intent on spreading their tentacles East, encircling Russia and penetrating the former spheres of influence of the ex-Soviet Union. As a template for contemporary CIA destabilization operations in Georgia and Ukraine, prospective EU members and NATO "partners," Kosovo should serve as a warning for those foolish enough to believe American clichs about "freedom" or the dubious benefits of "globalization."
When Kosovo proclaimed its "independence" in February, the Western media hailed the provocative dismemberment of Serbia, a move that completed the destruction of Yugoslavia by the United States, the European Union and NATO, as an exemplary means to bring "peace and stability" to the region.
If by "peace" one means impunity for rampaging crime syndicates or by "stability," the freedom of action with no questions asked by U.S. and NATO military and intelligence agencies, not to mention economic looting on a grand scale by freewheeling multinational corporations, then Kosovo has it all!
From its inception, the breakaway Serb province has served as a militarized outpost for Western capitalist powers intent on spreading their tentacles East, encircling Russia and penetrating the former spheres of influence of the ex-Soviet Union. As a template for contemporary CIA destabilization operations in Georgia and Ukraine, prospective EU members and NATO "partners," Kosovo should serve as a warning for those foolish enough to believe American clichs about "freedom" or the dubious benefits of "globalization."
are you completely unaware that war has been going on since 2014? for fuck's sake dude. much of that destruction has existed since 2014..
Caught in the Crossfire in Eastern Ukraine
Battles in eastern Ukraine have surged anew, with the civilian population suffering dozens of deaths from ongoing rocket attacks.
Umm... no. "Much" is too strong of an adjective. Most of the photos in that report were of Donetsk. He was referring to Mariupol
Between your pictures and these, it would seem that wherever the Russians go in Ukraine they turn to shit.
I respectfully disagree with your statement.
It would be a pleasant fiction to believe that Biden was not an incoherent, incontinent and incompetent fool, but was truly a hidden mastermind capable of out witting "The Vladimir Putin" by turning Ukraine into a giant bear trap.
Unfortunately, I am reminded that there may be truth to the notion that he needs a diaper from time to time and that fiction is quickly dispelled.
that is was just one story from 2015. much has happened since then.
no doubt there is new destruction, and no doubt the ukes are setting up in civilian areas and near churches and schools, just like isis and palestinians.
or the made up chemical weapon attacks in syria by the blue hats or white hats or whoever. when Obama tried to pull an Iraq in syria and Putin stepped in and said nope.
or how about the 500,000 innocent lives lost in Yemen, nobody cares because the agenda says its ok. IMO these are all manufactured crisis they use to push their agenda. Ukraine is no different.
Sorry Ukraine, I'm all crissised out, zero fucks left for anyones global domination bullshit agenda.
if I could snap my fingers and make all their heads pop I would.
I'm not sold on that idea. The operational overreach in the north suggests that they really did expect a quick victory. I think the people in the cities are just getting in the way. they lack the combat power to effectively engage/overwhelm the Ukrainian militias and regular army without resorting to the sort of tactics that involve heavy destruction of the local infrastructure.
The random one off's like Mariupol Theater and the hospital suggest actions of local commanders and individual units.
These incidents are also offset by random and sporadic acts of compassionate consideration in attempts to avoid civilian casualties in other areas. Its the disunity between those data points that indicate there was not a higher order to target civilians as a strategy. It also indicates a disunity and lack of cohesion and control over the Russian commanders also.
A good example is the convoys that were allowed to pass through some areas but were fired upon when passing through others.
The widespread lack of Russian discipline or professionalism is astounding.
Undisciplined and unprofessional troops tend to behave more like mobs when under stress. Mobs tend to do evil shit.
It goes both ways. There are reliable reports that a Russian unit occupied the Hospital on Troyiczka St in Mariupol knowing the Ukraine wouldn't return fire with their civilians, doctors and wounded inside. From that position they were able to set up machine gun positions to cover their advance deeper into the city.
If the Ukrainians were occupying this position with arms first, how did the Russians take it so easily before the hospital staff got out?
this stupid war will go on long enough for another black man to be killed on camera by a white police officer in a Democrat city and then the outrage machine will switch gears back to election and riot season.
1. Sending troops to Ukraine
2. Arming those troops
3. Taking ground with those troops
Do you really think the citizens got BUKs from their garage? Mortars?
Please do explain how Ukraine is faulty for keeping its borders.
To give a background as an example, in Finland it was noticed around 2018 that the russians had started to build minibases around the coastline. They built a base and then proceeded to the next. Russia really likes to move really slowly and undistinguised. And russian population here is only 3%. They got caught because they did normal russian stuff along with it, like money laundering and similar crimes. FDF had some worries about few places but they apparently built some bases after the completion of building was checked by an official so they were not alarmed. Now they are doing aerial surveillance of russian places so the next bunkers will be underground one..
Russians do russian stuff.
Just talked to our russian consultant and she mentioned the polls from there.. When the goverment there calls someone and asks if he supports putin or not, if he says no, he should be packing up and move quick. When I said they have control of the people, it is an utter understatement.
I find it very ironic when some american tells me how much he values freedom and that I do not know what freedom is, then tells me he supports putin. I do not think your little brains can even grasp how funny it is. The pit surely is a treasure to hold onto!
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I am sorry I clearly made a mistake here, americans obviously do not have a concept of border keeping. Nevermind this question, I have no time to explain what borders mean.
This clearly went over their heads.
Please explain everything to them like they were 3 years old. One of them pointed this out to me and it has been a great help.
They just cannot register that much text at a time. Maybe add some funny pictures too, they are really keen on those.
Looks like I was wrong. And many others believe the same as I did that it was part of the agreement.
www.rferl.org
Did The West Promise Moscow That NATO Would Not Expand? Well, It's Complicated.
Mikhail Gorbachev himself said the question of NATO's expansion didn't come up in discussions when he was Soviet leader. That hasn't stopped the assertion that NATO and the United States misled Moscow from becoming a central grievance for Russian President Vladimir Putin and the Kremlin.
www.rferl.org
You need to let go of the idea that Biden is making any dicesions. You'll then realize our situation is much worse than you had thought.
Lol. Go fuck yourself you little imbecile.
I would no sooner try to change the minds of the idiots who think Russia is justified in pulverizing their neighbor, than argue with a Taliban about the supremacy of Islam. It’s all the people reading this drivel I’m posting for, because if you read this shit you would think Ukraine attacked Russia.
I do stand on mountains of corpses, mostly in Former Yugoslavia. I know what this is, because IVE BEEN IN IT.
We agree that we should not get directly involved. There is only hysterics and propaganda on one side that does not believe their lying eyes.
Mariupol is not in the Russian breakaway provinces. Just near them. It WAS a beautiful and historic city.
Now it’s gone.
Data? What a fucking moron.
You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about! Where were you stationed during the Yugo civil war? We’re you there? Have you witnessed genocide and ethnic cleansing?
Just because there aren’t any “good guys” doesn’t mean the right thing to do is watch. Sometimes there are no good or clear choices, so the just man relies on his morals and principals. Some don’t got ‘em.
On who's morals/principals we are led to believe?
How many lies have been fed to the populace in order to get the agenda the government wants?
Who gets to decide which of these world events gets our attention? There's conflict every where. Which ones do we need to get involved in? Those of national security? Well, that line is abused as much as being called a racist
We are all being played.
Here, let me help you. I have even added some that you would agree with. The first one is particularly good.Lol. Go fuck yourself you little imbecile.
I would no sooner try to change the minds of the idiots who think Russia is justified in pulverizing their neighbor, than argue with a Taliban about the supremacy of Islam. It’s all the people reading this drivel I’m posting for, because if you read this shit you would think Ukraine attacked Russia.
I do stand on mountains of corpses, mostly in Former Yugoslavia. I know what this is, because IVE BEEN IN IT.
We agree that we should not get directly involved. There is only hysterics and propaganda on one side that does not believe their lying eyes.
Mariupol is not in the Russian breakaway provinces. Just near them. It WAS a beautiful and historic city.
Now it’s gone.
Data? What a fucking moron.
Ukraine Maternity Hospital Shelling: A False Flag?
Assessing the alleged Russian strike on the Mariupol maternity hospital
technofog.substack.com
Mariupol Nazi Battalions Plan Mass Murder False Flag | VT Foreign Policy
www.veteranstoday.com
Pterodactyl
stephenlendman.org
Was bombing of Mariupol theater staged by Ukrainian Azov extremists to trigger NATO intervention? - The Grayzone
Testimony by evacuated Mariupol residents and warnings of a false flag attack undermine the Ukrainian government's claims about a Russian bombing of a local theater sheltering civilians. Western media have reported that Russia's military deliberately attacked the Donetsk Academic Regional Drama...
thegrayzone.com
Ukrainian troops in Mariupol are taking ammo off Russian soldiers and smuggling in weapons to hold out against the assault
There has been "continuous heavy shelling" in the port city since Russia invaded Ukraine on February 24.
War In Ukraine: New Satellite Images From Destroyed Mariupol
House-to-house fighting and relentless bombing continue for a second month in Ukraine, with new satellite images showing the scale of the devastation in the
greekcitytimes.com
Ukraine's Mariupol says Russia forcefully deported thousands of its people
The city council of Ukraine's Mariupol said Russian forces forcefully deported several thousand people from the besieged city last week, after Russia had spoken of 'refugees' arriving from the strategic port. Some 400,000 people have been trapped in the city for more than two weeks.
Russia is 'stockpiling bodies' for 'false flag' Chernobyl attack
Vladimir Putin has ordered his troops to release radioactive waste at the nuclear site which he plans to blame on Ukrainian 'saboteurs', Kyiv officials have warned.
We all are being played.
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