PVA Status Updates: Hancock Rifle & NUCLEUS Barreled Action

[THEIS]

No way to know since ARC never stated themselves that was the plan.

Hi,

Well on that premise...Did they state otherwise?

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[beenawhile1]

Yup , just keeping my fingers crossed its sooner than later.

 

[JLP.Payette]

Hi,

Well on that premise...Did they state otherwise?

Sincerely,
Theis

Now we are just getting silly..hahaha. Im happy with my barreled action from PVA and the Nucleus performs great so no matter the wait everyone will be satisfied once they receive them.

 

[TheMammoth]

Why is ARC getting actions out before PVA? Because ARC was building Nucleus actions while PVA was still waiting on the variance approval from the ATF. You have to remember, ARC had approval of the Nucleus long before the variance was approved for the John Hancock. The ATF screwed PVA and ARC around, and drug them down the road so long, that they are having to play serious catch up with the JHR. ARC was not allowed to make the actions for the John Hancock until the variance had been approved. ARC was not going to stand around and not make actions while waiting on the variance approval. They were making Nucleus actions to sell. That's why there are more Nucleus actions available than there are JHRs.

Like Schmi015 said, on top of everything else, suppliers became problem. ARC and PVA both have invested many thousands of dollars on machinery and new employees so they wouldn't be dependent on outside vendors. AND...while all this was going on, PVA moved into a new facility that would accommodate the new machinery and employees. Go back and read this whole thread.

I guarantee you, nobody is more upset with the time this is taking than Josh. You want to blame somebody, blame the ATF. I don't know Josh, and I don't know Ted, but I've gotten to "know" them through these threads, and I could just about guarantee you that they are doing everything that they can to get these rifles out the door. In the mean time, both Ted and Josh have companies to run.

Hey look everyone, he's being reasonable! GET HIM!

 

[Aaron47pb]

Hey look everyone, he's being reasonable! GET HIM!

No. He is conflating issues. Nice try though.

 

[TheMammoth]

No. He is conflating issues. Nice try though.

No, he was participating in the discussion without being a crying bitch. Give it a try some time.

 

[Aaron47pb]

No, he was participating in the discussion without being a crying bitch. Give it a try some time.

Show me where I have been a crying bitch. Please.

He is conflating the JHC delay issues, which I fully understand because of the ATF variance, with Nucleus BA delay issue.

 

[j741]

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[1jonathan1994]

I've been waiting since February. All I've said since ordering was asking what accessories to buy. My J.H. parts are being used on other guns until it arrives.

What are the bottom rail options for the Bravo that people prefer?
Sling options?

Also are J.H. barrels and Nucleus barrels interchangeable?

 

[Estes640]

Just a PSA: there’s a John Hancock 6 creed in the PX right now from @BrotherhoodArms. For anyone on the fence who doesn’t want to wait.

 

[TheMammoth]

Reading comprehension, and a good understanding of a discussion, is usually a good idea before jumping on people and showing your ignorance. Maybe you should give it a try.

As noted, the post you quoted wasn’t even relevant to the issue people have with the barreled actions.

Been in the discussion since the beginning, fella. Your own comprehension needs boost, maybe, the discussion is JH and BA. All I said was he was being reasonable while everyone else is getting pitchforks out and crying like babies.

 

[j741]

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Wow, way to keep digging when you're in a hole. I would try to explain to you but clearly its pointless. I'll happily skip over your ignorant posts and even go back and delete mine that referenced you, no need to waste any time with you.

 

[TheMammoth]

Wow, way to keep digging when you're in a hole. I would try to explain to you but clearly its pointless. I'll happily skip over your ignorant posts and even go back and delete mine that referenced you, no need to waste any time with you.

Whatever makes you feel special, little guy.

 

[ThePretzel]

@TheMammoth , you seem to be ignoring the elephant (or mammoth) in the room that is you ignoring the entire point of what people have said to you.

The recent complaints have been about barreled action lead times. Actions are shipping from ARC directly, yet ARC isn't shipping them to PVA to fulfill pre-orders from as early as January.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that you aren't a "crying bitch", as you claim, to point out how terrible of customer service that is from ARC. It's called being a logical and rational person who realizes that it is, indeed, not normal for any company to ship orders this wildly out of the order in which they were placed.

 

[jgs8163]

@TheMammoth , you seem to be ignoring the elephant (or mammoth) in the room that is you ignoring the entire point of what people have said to you.

The recent complaints have been about barreled action lead times. Actions are shipping from ARC directly, yet ARC isn't shipping them to PVA to fulfill pre-orders from as early as January.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that you aren't a "crying bitch", as you claim, to point out how terrible of customer service that is from ARC. It's called being a logical and rational person who realizes that it is, indeed, not normal for any company to ship orders this wildly out of the order in which they were placed.

Maybe Josh and Ted have some other agreement. Maybe Ted is more focused on completing
the order Josh placed for the JHR’s. It seems to me that the first priority for Josh was to complete his JHR customer base. There are many things we may not know or, maybe some of you do. I imagine Ted is responsible for serialing all of those JHR actions and completing the transfer to Josh? Who is doing the JHR engraving? Also Ted may have something in his contract with Josh that his retail customers take priority over a wholesale order. None of this effects me as I built my own rifle as close to the JHR as I could. Anyways..... why doesn’t one of you call ARC and ask instead of this continued rant and bashing of both companies. I had a issue with my barrel from Josh and he was a stand guy and took care of it if ASAP. I also had a issue with ARC on the spring and bolt release and they rectified it ASAP. You didn’t buy your Action from ARC so to bitch them out for you’re problem with PVA isn’t really fair. No different than buying a out of stock Nightforce from a major vendor because they tell you there going to get it in 2 months and then it doesn’t show up for 4 months, then not after 6 months, then not after 9 months....... Anyways, sorry you guys are dealing with this but there’s a little blame to go around on all 3 sides in my opinion.

 

[j741]

Some repeating of info to address comments:

Maybe Josh and Ted have some other agreement. Maybe Ted is more focused on completing
the order Josh placed for the JHR’s.

- Ted is making and shipping Nucleus actions, so he's not focusing on JHRs and ignoring Nucleus actions. People ordering a Nucleus from ARC in the past few months have received them.

Also Ted may have something in his contract with Josh that his retail customers take priority over a wholesale order.

- Josh had posted earlier that he sent Nucleus B/A order times to Ted so that they could be integrated in to ARC's deliveries. That doesn't sound like they had an agreement that PVAs orders would be lower priority than retail. (Though current situation sure indicates retail has priority)

I don't have time to call during their hours, but I did email ARC last week. No response as of yet.

I feel really bad for anyone ordering a Nucleus barreled action during the BF sale as those are going to take forever with this current fulfillment approach. Probably even longer than the year for those who pre-ordered last Jan/Feb.

There are a lot of maybes here. I understand Josh not wanting to say more, or say anything bad about ARC as they are his partners and together are delivering the Hancock. But I wish ARC would provide at least some clarity or information on how the ARC ordered nucleus actions are being prioritized vs retail shipments and what quantities will be shipped to PVA when.

 

[jgs8163]

Some repeating of info to address comments:


- Ted is making and shipping Nucleus actions, so he's not focusing on JHRs and ignoring Nucleus actions. People ordering a ucleus from ARC in the past few months have received them.

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- Josh had posted earlier that he sent Nucleus B/A order times to Ted so that they could be integrated in to ARC's deliveries. That doesn't sound like they had an agreement that PVAs orders would be lower priority than retail. (Though current situation sure indicates retail has priority)

I don't have time to call during their hours, but I did email ARC last week. No response as of yet.

I feel really bad for anyone ordering a Nucleus barreled action during the BF sale as those are going to take forever with this current fulfillment approach. Orobably even longer than the year for those who pre-ordered last Jan/Feb.

There are a lot of maybes here. I understand Josh not wanting to say more, or say anything bad about ARC as they are his partners and together are delivering the Hancock. But I wish ARC would provide at least some clarity or information on how the ARC ordered nucleus actions are being prioritized vs retail shipments and what quantities will be shipped to PVA when.

Setting aside Joshs Nucleus actions and fulfilling his JHR order first is my point. 50 actions is about $40k. Just saying.

 

[Cup O Joe]

I've been waiting since February. All I've said since ordering was asking what accessories to buy. My J.H. parts are being used on other guns until it arrives.

What are the bottom rail options for the Bravo that people prefer?
Sling options?

Also are J.H. barrels and Nucleus barrels interchangeable?

KRG make a ARCA rail for the bravo. That’s what I’m using. JHR and Nucleus barrels are interchangeable. No clue on sling. Everyone likes something different.

 

[jgs8163]

KRG make a ARCA rail for the bravo. That’s what I’m using. JHR and Nucleus barrels are interchangeable. No clue on sling. Everyone likes something different.

I used the spigot from KRG along with their direct bipod mount. Puts the bipod up much closer to the barrel.

 

[BLKWLFK9]

i put the forend from my W3 on mine and love it. I have the enclosed forend on the W3 now. Arca rails on both with the spigot on the bravo.

 

[Cup O Joe]

I used the spigot from KRG along with their direct bipod mount. Puts the bipod up much closer to the barrel.

The spigot is nice if you only shoot from prone. Having the bipod on a ARCA rail gives more flexibility from compromised shooting positions.

 

[1jonathan1994]

I used the spigot from KRG along with their direct bipod mount. Puts the bipod up much closer to the barrel.

Is there a direct spigot mount for an atlas bipod
or
should I just get the area419 Arca atlas, arca spigot, and arca rail. Seems then I could move the bipod from spigot to arca rail in seconds.

 

[ThePretzel]

Is there a direct spigot mount for an atlas bipod
or
should I just get the area419 Arca atlas, arca spigot, and arca rail. Seems then I could move the bipod from spigot to arca rail in seconds.

Assuming the spigot uses picatinny, the RRS SC-LR clamp will attach to both Arca rails and picatinny rails. If you wanted your Atlas to connect to an Arca rail you'd need an adapter anyways, so you may as well get the best adapter on the market that lets you use both.

 

[m6z]

It's almost SHOT show 2019.

Has everyone who ordered a JH or Nucleus barreled action around SHOT show 2018 received their rifles/barreled actions?

 

[JLP.Payette]

It's almost SHOT show 2019.

Has everyone who ordered a JH or Nucleus barreled action around SHOT show 2018 received their rifles/barreled actions?

I ordered 1/19/18 and received my barrelled action 11/6/18. I originally ordered a JHR but changed it to a barrelled action in June 2018.

 

[beenawhile1]

I ordered 1/19/18 and received my barrelled action 11/6/18. I originally ordered a JHR but changed it to a barrelled action in June 2018.

Ordered a barrel action 1/22, nothing yet

 

[TheMammoth]

I have two rifles currently sitting in bravo chassis, the JH will be the third.

Spigot Mount for bipod, puts it farther out and much closer to barre which I like.

I have recently switched the KRG rail to the Area419 Arca lock rails and they fit fine and are really very nice. Their new bag and clamp system is great, and their barricade stop is perfect.

 

[spife7980]

I have two rifles currently sitting in bravo chassis, the JH will be the third.

Spigot Mount for bipod, puts it farther out and much closer to barre which I like.

I have recently switched the KRG rail to the Area419 Arca lock rails and they fit fine and are really very nice. Their new bag and clamp system is great, and their barricade stop is perfect.

Is it the universal or the mlock 419 rail? Can you share a picture of how the area 419 arcalock attaches to the KRG? Ive been contemplating getting it for me xray but not sure how the holes line up etc

 

[TheMammoth]

Is it the universal or the mlock 419 rail? Can you share a picture of how the area 419 arcalock attaches to the KRG? Ive been contemplating getting it for me xray but not sure how the holes line up etc

Universal 12” rail. I’ll take some photos when I get home early this week.

 

[man32ahan]

Universal 12” rail. I’ll take some photos when I get home early this week.

I’d like to see as well if you don’t post on this thread. Pm them to me as well thanks!

 

[jgs8163]

Here’s a picture of my build with the spigot and the direct mount for the Harris bipod. Very low pro and very stable being that close to the barrel.

 

[DanGTG]

Magpul just released 3 ARCA compatible rails, two are M-LOK interface and one is specific to their Pro Chassis.
https://www.magpul.com/firearms-accessories/rails-and-accessories/adapters

 

[Jon_ARC]

I would like let give a little input from us at ARC regarding the Nucleus actions for PVA. Our intention was always to ship orders as they were received whether it was direct or through PVA. Now with that said we also wanted to make sure the actions we ship get into the end users hands as soon as possible and not have them sitting on our shelf or PVA's. This is where we had some miscommunication between our companies. The intention was to ship actions to PVA and as they barreled and shipped them out we would provide them with more as needed. No sense in either one of us holding inventory when there are orders that can be delivered immediately. Obviously this did not work out as well as we hoped. At this point all we can do is try an get everyone that ordered an action one as soon as possible. Last week we sent out 36 more Nucleus actions to PVA so hopefully some of you will start seeing your orders being shipped soon. We will be able to provide PVA any pre-ordered actions as fast as they need them from now on. I know this has been very frustrating for the ones that have had to wait so long for their action an we apologize for that. This last year has been like none other for us at ARC. We have had lots of challenges and growing pains to say the least but I can assure you we are stronger for it. We have identified what we need work on a tackled it head on. We are currently implementing a new inventory and order fulfillment system which will help us tremendously on tracking and delivering orders to our customers.

Cheers

 

[beenawhile1]

Thanks for the update, just looking forward to getting my BA set up when it gets here. It's been a long, almost year wait for my first custom action/ rifle. Can't wait for a shipping confirmation email,hopefully soon.

 

[atomic41]

I would like let give a little input from us at ARC regarding the Nucleus actions for PVA. Our intention was always to ship orders as they were received whether it was direct or through PVA. Now with that said we also wanted to make sure the actions we ship get into the end users hands as soon as possible and not have them sitting on our shelf or PVA's. This is where we had some miscommunication between our companies. The intention was to ship actions to PVA and as they barreled and shipped them out we would provide them with more as needed. No sense in either one of us holding inventory when there are orders that can be delivered immediately. Obviously this did not work out as well as we hoped. At this point all we can do is try an get everyone that ordered an action one as soon as possible. Last week we sent out 36 more Nucleus actions to PVA so hopefully some of you will start seeing your orders being shipped soon. We will be able to provide PVA any pre-ordered actions as fast as they need them from now on. I know this has been very frustrating for the ones that have had to wait so long for their action an we apologize for that. This last year has been like none other for us at ARC. We have had lots of challenges and growing pains to say the least but I can assure you we are stronger for it. We have identified what we need work on a tackled it head on. We are currently implementing a new inventory and order fulfillment system which will help us tremendously on tracking and delivering orders to our customers.

Cheers

Could you comment on the bolt head change? I have one of the first ones off the line, single digit serial. The bolt close (and open) have been very difficult on mine and hasn't changed in 400 rounds. People are posting on here about a new bolt head.

Is this a design change to address the hard bolt close issue?
If so, are you giving the new one to the people having this issue?

Thank you in advance...

 

[Skunkworx]

I’m curious about the new bolt head as well. I can’t really use my Tubb t7t because it makes closing the bolt really stiff.

 

[One1Bravo]

Order #2009 JHR just got notice for final payment.

 

[b6graham]

same for 2050

 

[TheMammoth]

WOO! Order 2022 notified and paid.

Can't wait.

 

[Jon_ARC]

I’m curious about the new bolt head as well. I can’t really use my Tubb t7t because it makes closing the bolt really stiff.

There is a new design that should help with the bump on close issue. We will be offering an exchange program for anyone that is experiencing this issue very soon.

 

[atomic41]

There is a new design that should help with the bump on close issue. We will be offering an exchange program for anyone that is experiencing this issue very soon.

Great news, thanks!

 

[pbRex]

Order #2087 and just paid in full!

FYI this is for a left-handed 6mm.

 

[man32ahan]

Order #2087 and just paid in full!

FYI this is for a left-handed 6mm.

Dang! I’m #2096 and LH 6mm also. No notification yet.

 

[Dooby]

For the folks who recently paid, is it for JHR? Or Barreled Action? When did u guys order from PVA?

 

[@3GunSteve]

Yup, got my notice as well and just paid. #2004 - JHR

 

[j741]

I'm 2106. Hoping may and betting I have to wait for next batch.

For the folks who recently paid, is it for JHR? Or Barreled Action? When did u guys order from PVA?

Some called it out, and I'm guessing on the others that it is the JHR and not barreled actions. ARC says they only shipped the Nucleus actions out today so I would think that PVA isn't sending out barreled actions invoices until they have them in hand and looked over to ensure they're all up to spec.

 

[TexasTightwad]

I figured I would cross-post here to tell everybody about the redesigned bolt heads:

@karagias @Jon_ARC

So when I got my action back from ARC, my .380 (.378) bolt head was not with it. I called them and they said that they had found some sort of defect in the .380 bolt heads, one that nobody but them had noticed yet. They said that they would send me one from a new batch once they got some made. The guy I talked to said they would try to keep up with the fact that they needed to send me one, but I might have to call and remind them.

I haven't been able to shoot in a while, so I only got around to calling to remind them last week, and they quickly sent it to me. I just got it in the mail and found that the lug cams have been redesigned!!!

I swapped bolt heads and, man - the difference is huge! The redesigned lug cams make the action cycle so much more smoothly! As I've discussed before, with my other bolt head (old design lug cams), when the lugs make contact there is an abrupt catch that takes 8.5 lbs of force to overcome. With this one, you can still feel when the lugs make contact if you are paying attention; however it only takes 3.25 lbs of force to close and it feels like a smooth transition rather than a catch.

ARC did a great job on this redesign, and I appreciate that they listened to my feedback and decided to try something new. Virtual high-five, Ted! I only wish both of my bolt heads had the new lugs!

Bolt Upgrade

ARC has been listening to comments from owners and has decided to upgrade the bolt heads to get rid of the bump some people were experiencing when closing the bolt. All of the actions moving forward will include the new bolts.

Anyone that has already received their Nucleus or John Hancock rifle can request a new bolt head from ARC, under warranty, once they become available. We will release an email when they become available. Please do not fill up their inbox with requests at this time. The current bolt heads still work fine. This is just an upgrade for how the action feels during cycling and does not affect function.

 

[TheMammoth]

Order #2087 and just paid in full!

FYI this is for a left-handed 6mm.

That’s big news for a lot of people!

 

[TheMammoth]

For the folks who recently paid, is it for JHR? Or Barreled Action? When did u guys order from PVA?

John Hancock here

 

[Cup O Joe]

There is a new design that should help with the bump on close issue. We will be offering an exchange program for anyone that is experiencing this issue very soon.

My JHC is a magnum bolt face. Was the bump issue only specific to the 308 bolt face or does mine need to be replaced also?

 

[jgs8163]

My JHC is a magnum bolt face. Was the bump issue only specific to the 308 bolt face or does mine need to be replaced also?

They mentioned in a prior post (different thread) they would be sending an email out to everyone effected. Also TexasTW stated above only the 380/223 bh was involved.