Depends on why they ordered the John Hancock. If they want to compete in PRS Production class they'll be leaving it on.so, do folks intend to ditch the Bravo chassis right away and migrate to something else?
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Depends on why they ordered the John Hancock. If they want to compete in PRS Production class they'll be leaving it on.so, do folks intend to ditch the Bravo chassis right away and migrate to something else?
Why do you insist on pulling random numbers out of wherever you are pulling them from?
so, do folks intend to ditch the Bravo chassis right away and migrate to something else?
While the news of the email is good, I have chosen to temper my excitement. It's still single source/unverified info at this point. There are a boat load of us that ordered within 24 hours of the opening that haven't been emailed. There may have been an issue with that individual's order.... who knows?
As a matter of fact I’m building my Nucleus with one but with the Whiskey Tango backbone.so, do folks intend to ditch the Bravo chassis right away and migrate to something else?
On that list for approved optics, that would be my choice.Will probably give PRS Production Class a try, Thinking a Razor HD Gen 1 for glass.
I have a brand new Gen 1 MOA I may want to part with. Bought for a different build and never mounted or used it. Sitting in my safe.Will probably give PRS Production Class a try, Thinking a Razor HD Gen 1 for glass.
That's exactly what I'm doing with it...How many of you plan on using the JH as intended for PRS Production Class.
RFutch said:My barrel shipped today!!!
Thank you PVA and Josh! I'll stop bothering you now.
How's your 223 barrel shoot? I'm at 19+ weeks and waiting for my PVA 223 prefit barrel after being told they'd be done with it last week, and then this week, now told next week...
How's your 223 barrel shoot? I'm at 19+ weeks and waiting for my PVA 223 prefit barrel after being told they'd be done with it last week, and then this week, now told next week...
Sounds to me like you’ve become, “that guy”!Yea, I really don't want to be "that guy", an impatient bitch customer whining about wait times that constantly needs progress updates and takes employees away from making chips.
Like most impatient bastards, I want my stuff yesterday but 100% understand quality can't be rushed and I'm totally willing to wait for a top-notch product. I also know PVA has their hands full with a couple dozen different balls in the air.
It is just a wee bit frustrating to be told one thing and not have it come to fruition, then have that cycle repeat a couple more times. Had I known it'd take THIS long for a prefit barrel, I'd likely have gone a different route.
Its almost worse than waiting for a stamp...oh well...
Bohem, How did the JHR (Nucleus) run at the NF ELR match. I had some friends of mine shoot in it and they had heard that it had some extraction issues or something to that effect. what was your experience?The ARC mag has an internal length of 2.96-ish as I recall.
The Nucleus prototype that's in my hands, currently built into a production-intent JHR, it feeds 2.95" COAL 308's without a problem.
Before there is a flurry of speculation here is what "production intent" means
Production Intent is a prototype that is made on
Production Tooling/Workholding/Machinery
Production raw materials (barrel blanks, triggers, stocks, etc)
Production Artwork
Production Packaging
etc
It is, for all intents, a production component but it isn't being sold. It's a T&E for internal review.
We have a Production Intent JHR.
Production barrel blank - check
Production barrel cutting process - check
Production Contour/Chambering/Threading/etc - check
Production stock - check
Production trigger - check
Production Brake - check
Production engraving - check
Production Action - No, we have a pre-production prototype.
We have exactly 1 prototype.
There are exactly 3 prototypes in existence
We have 1
SAC has 1
ARC has 1
That's it.
People have seen them, handled them at SHOT, and some folks have gotten to shoot them when they happen to bump into myself, Ted, or Mark Gordon when one of us happened to be doing test work.
The JHR that I'm taking to the ELR match in 10 days is the production intent gun.
It's a production barrel, trigger, stock, scope, rings, brake, etc. EVERYTHING except the action is a production part and if someone needed it I could take it all apart and hand them everything except the action. It would screw together into a JHR.
But... because of the Marking Variance not being approved yet we do not have clearance by the ATF to allow ARC to laser the JHR logos and markings on the receiver bodies. They're done, sitting at ARC's shop awaiting laser, then nitride, then they come to PVA. Until we get through the milestone of the the marking variance being approved then the PVA work route is to keep knocking out barrels and writing the details with a sharpie.
Once we have a production action in place we will do final fit for clocking and start burning the laser work on the barrels.
The entire world will know when the marking variance comes through, trust me, it will be in the news. Until then, there's no such thing as an estimated date on when the paperwork will come back.
Bohem, How did the JHR (Nucleus) run at the NF ELR match. I had some friends of mine shoot in it and they had heard that it had some extraction issues or something to that effect. what was your experience?
Bohem, How did the JHR (Nucleus) run at the NF ELR match. I had some friends of mine shoot in it and they had heard that it had some extraction issues or something to that effect. what was your experience?
We ran out of 22 cal blanks that had the right twist rate and contour for what those customers ordered.What's the story behind the 19 weeks lead time
@bohem Congratulations on the ELR endeavors though
I'm betting the guys waiting 19 weeks think that's great as well
This thread always delivers!!! 19 weeks on a barrel is absolutely unacceptable by anyones standards.
What's the story behind the 19 weeks lead time
I was a bit perturbed by the lead time but to be completely fair, I signed on for it. So I have no leg to stand on getting salty. It was never mentioned that it was going to be a short wait. Just hoped it would.
Last Friday I sent an email asking when I could expect to see it and got a prompt reply that
"It's just waiting on lasering and I don't know how to run the new laser yet. It will go out early next week when Josh gets back from an ELR match.
We had issues with getting in 22 cal blanks until a couple of weeks ago and had a huge batch to run because everyone wants 223 trainers this year. I went ahead and refunded $50 since you, and a few others with 223 orders, had to wait a little while longer than planned. Again sorry for the delay. Have a great weekend!
Thanks,
Jeremy"
So they are aware and trying to make it right as fast as they can Im sure. I havent gotten the credit back to my account but honestly if it ships this week I could care less about the 50 bucks. If it performs like the others results on the forum indicate it should Ill be tickled pink.
If it were on the shelf waiting to ship I guess it would no longer be custom, you know?
That was explained and understandable. It sucks yeah but we're 2 months plus behind on actions and its whatever at this point they'll come when they come.I don’t think anyone is mad about the tripod. The timing doesn’t seem great when people are waiting 20+ weeks for barrels, I think that’s the main issue.
Yeah you’re right. While he’s waiting for actions/artifacts etc to show up he should chain himself to the heat register and water fast so you’re satisfied.Mammoth, welcome to SH. There's a lot to be learned here, there's also a ton of hype and misinformation/blind leading the blind here too, as the precision shooting market explodes.
That was a sarcastic post, your right.
Anyone that has shot ELR realizes the accomplishments posted aren't easy feats, and take time/dedication to make happen.
Anyone that's been waiting 5 months for a .223 barrel is likely disappointed to read on efforts other than products/services they've been waiting on.
At least the commo is there for guys waiting.
You clearly don't understand how preorders work. They're supposed to only work on then and nothing else to build your (fairly new) businessYeah you’re right. While he’s waiting for actions/artifacts etc to show up he should chain himself to the heat register and water fast so you’re satisfied.
I know my rifle is late, he’s been honest as to why. I was happy to see his results and I’ve been waiting since day one for the rifle.
Crush up a Xanax, snort it, watch Scooby-Doo and get some sleep, fella.
Correct. Also, never, EVER report on the performance of your new products when you use them.You clearly don't understand how preorders work. They're supposed to only work on then and nothing else to build your (fairly new) business
Not trying to clog up this thread or throw it off track (as if it is still on track lol), but I am just curious about PVA's new endeavor with tripods... Is PVA making these in-house? Perhaps out sourcing the carbon fiber legs and other components? Seems like a real branch out from making custom rifles, and now production rifles; I can only imagine how busy they must be.
Not trying to clog up this thread or throw it off track (as if it is still on track lol), but I am just curious about PVA's new endeavor with tripods... Is PVA making these in-house? Perhaps out sourcing the carbon fiber legs and other components? Seems like a real branch out from making custom rifles, and now production rifles; I can only imagine how busy they must be.
That was explained and understandable. It sucks yeah but we're 2 months plus behind on actions and its whatever at this point they'll come when they come.
If companies were waiting until they were caught up on all orders we would never see innovation (Manners)
There's only so much PVA can do on their machines while they wait for a timing artifact. For all we know this was in the works before SHOT and they waited and waited to announce
You hit the nail on the head. Making decisions with half the information is what the media does.I don’t know the entire situation no one does but them.
It seems like some people think that's what we should be doing because the 223 barrel blanks that were ordered in a faster-than-stocked twist rate took longer to get.
Well, I'm super excited for my JH whenever its ready. Im not sure why all the negativity in this thread. I seriously doubt any one of us "need" our product so bad its worth crapping on a manufacturer as much as Ive seen here.
Relax aready.
Face it folks, the guys who can afford to roll to a match with 15-18 grand of equipment for their weekend hobby are few compared to the rest of us that like to shoot. I'm trying to get the stuff out to the rest of the shooting community without sacrificing performance. We aren't competiting with Remington or Savage. We're defining a middle space where a lot more folks can afford to participate and do so with equipment that doesn't suck.