Does anyone know if a .300 Blackout has to much recoil for a PVS-14? I just got it and don't want to screw it up.
Night Vision PVS-14 and .300 Blackout?
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Re: PVS-14 and .300 Blackout?
Engineers both at ITT and L3 in many conversations we've had tell us PVS-14's are designed to go on a 5.56 or less.
Anything higher, get an IR laser for you gun and keep the 14 on your melon. Shoot from the high ready and let your laser do all your talking.
Vic
Engineers both at ITT and L3 in many conversations we've had tell us PVS-14's are designed to go on a 5.56 or less.
Anything higher, get an IR laser for you gun and keep the 14 on your melon. Shoot from the high ready and let your laser do all your talking.
Vic
Re: PVS-14 and .300 Blackout?
Yes I have read that and I do plan on getting a IR laser after my wallet recovers from the NV purchase.
I guess the point of my question is does the .300 blackout have more recoil than a 5.56? To me the subs feel lighter in recoil than a regular 5.56. I should probably get with RSilvers and ask about the recoil energy of a blackout.
As far as lasers go what would be the best bang for the buck? If there was just an IR laser with no visible laser and no illumination I think it would fit my recreational use. I would like to have the new DBAL D2 but I think it may be more than what I need.
Yes I have read that and I do plan on getting a IR laser after my wallet recovers from the NV purchase.
I guess the point of my question is does the .300 blackout have more recoil than a 5.56? To me the subs feel lighter in recoil than a regular 5.56. I should probably get with RSilvers and ask about the recoil energy of a blackout.
As far as lasers go what would be the best bang for the buck? If there was just an IR laser with no visible laser and no illumination I think it would fit my recreational use. I would like to have the new DBAL D2 but I think it may be more than what I need.
Re: PVS-14 and .300 Blackout?
subs very safe; I shoot my full loads with pvs14 300 whisper- blackout; should be fine with 5.7x28 and 5.45x39; my 300 has no recoil in a bolt gun and most of felt recoil in ar is the gas cycling the bolt IMO
subs very safe; I shoot my full loads with pvs14 300 whisper- blackout; should be fine with 5.7x28 and 5.45x39; my 300 has no recoil in a bolt gun and most of felt recoil in ar is the gas cycling the bolt IMO
Re: PVS-14 and .300 Blackout?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Captain Moroni</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes I have read that and I do plan on getting a IR laser after my wallet recovers from the NV purchase.
I guess the point of my question is does the .300 blackout have more recoil than a 5.56? To me the subs feel lighter in recoil than a regular 5.56. I should probably get with RSilvers and ask about the recoil energy of a blackout.
As far as lasers go what would be the best bang for the buck? If there was just an IR laser with no visible laser and no illumination I think it would fit my recreational use. I would like to have the new DBAL D2 but I think it may be more than what I need. </div></div>
I would definitely get true recoil energy before you put any risk on your NOD.
IR lasers are simple and so is the LDI OTAL or ITAL. These are single IR pointers that are built VERY well and very reliable. I think these are the best bang for the buck in the robustness Dept. http://www.tnvc.com/shop/category/laser-systems/
User IR-V here also reports good results from the Lasermax unit as well so that is also a choice.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Captain Moroni</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes I have read that and I do plan on getting a IR laser after my wallet recovers from the NV purchase.
I guess the point of my question is does the .300 blackout have more recoil than a 5.56? To me the subs feel lighter in recoil than a regular 5.56. I should probably get with RSilvers and ask about the recoil energy of a blackout.
As far as lasers go what would be the best bang for the buck? If there was just an IR laser with no visible laser and no illumination I think it would fit my recreational use. I would like to have the new DBAL D2 but I think it may be more than what I need. </div></div>
I would definitely get true recoil energy before you put any risk on your NOD.
IR lasers are simple and so is the LDI OTAL or ITAL. These are single IR pointers that are built VERY well and very reliable. I think these are the best bang for the buck in the robustness Dept. http://www.tnvc.com/shop/category/laser-systems/
User IR-V here also reports good results from the Lasermax unit as well so that is also a choice.
Re: PVS-14 and .300 Blackout?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Victor-TNVC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Captain Moroni</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes I have read that and I do plan on getting a IR laser after my wallet recovers from the NV purchase.
I guess the point of my question is does the .300 blackout have more recoil than a 5.56? To me the subs feel lighter in recoil than a regular 5.56. I should probably get with RSilvers and ask about the recoil energy of a blackout.
As far as lasers go what would be the best bang for the buck? If there was just an IR laser with no visible laser and no illumination I think it would fit my recreational use. I would like to have the new DBAL D2 but I think it may be more than what I need. </div></div>
I would definitely get true recoil energy before you put any risk on your NOD.
IR lasers are simple and so is the LDI OTAL or ITAL. These are single IR pointers that are built VERY well and very reliable. I think these are the best bang for the buck in the robustness Dept. http://www.tnvc.com/shop/category/laser-systems/
User IR-V here also reports good results from the Lasermax unit as well so that is also a choice. </div></div>
Last time I did the calculations, Subsonics appeared to be OK based on the calculation data and assuming 4Kg of rifle, but the 300BLK Supersonics were well outside safe levels.
If anyone reposts a confirmation of the cartridge peak chamber pressure specs we're talking about I can confirm it.
Regards
David
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Victor-TNVC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Captain Moroni</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes I have read that and I do plan on getting a IR laser after my wallet recovers from the NV purchase.
I guess the point of my question is does the .300 blackout have more recoil than a 5.56? To me the subs feel lighter in recoil than a regular 5.56. I should probably get with RSilvers and ask about the recoil energy of a blackout.
As far as lasers go what would be the best bang for the buck? If there was just an IR laser with no visible laser and no illumination I think it would fit my recreational use. I would like to have the new DBAL D2 but I think it may be more than what I need. </div></div>
I would definitely get true recoil energy before you put any risk on your NOD.
IR lasers are simple and so is the LDI OTAL or ITAL. These are single IR pointers that are built VERY well and very reliable. I think these are the best bang for the buck in the robustness Dept. http://www.tnvc.com/shop/category/laser-systems/
User IR-V here also reports good results from the Lasermax unit as well so that is also a choice. </div></div>
Last time I did the calculations, Subsonics appeared to be OK based on the calculation data and assuming 4Kg of rifle, but the 300BLK Supersonics were well outside safe levels.
If anyone reposts a confirmation of the cartridge peak chamber pressure specs we're talking about I can confirm it.
Regards
David
Re: PVS-14 and .300 Blackout?
I think I will just play it safe and save my penny's for a laser. I wish the Ops Core bastards would get my helmet made, the skull crusher is very well named.
I think I will just play it safe and save my penny's for a laser. I wish the Ops Core bastards would get my helmet made, the skull crusher is very well named.
Re: PVS-14 and .300 Blackout?
I was talking about this subject with respect to NV and especially thermal systems with the guys from ATN at the Shot Show recently. They recommended that their Thor 320 thermal imaging scope not be used on any rifle above 7.62 Nato. They did say they could produce such scopes that could withstand the recoil of higher calibers such as 338LM or even 50BMG; but that would be a special type order in larger quantities. Perhaps same could apply to the PVS14 in terms of ability to dampen recoil impact; but then you are talking about an enhanced scope build and not an existing unit.
I was talking about this subject with respect to NV and especially thermal systems with the guys from ATN at the Shot Show recently. They recommended that their Thor 320 thermal imaging scope not be used on any rifle above 7.62 Nato. They did say they could produce such scopes that could withstand the recoil of higher calibers such as 338LM or even 50BMG; but that would be a special type order in larger quantities. Perhaps same could apply to the PVS14 in terms of ability to dampen recoil impact; but then you are talking about an enhanced scope build and not an existing unit.
Re: PVS-14 and .300 Blackout?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SNIPERS4DUMMIES</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so subs on the 300 are confirmed GTG??</div></div>
It's not confirmed by any of the manufacturers, but based on Peak Cartridge Pressure, they certainly seem to be within safe levels.
I wouldn't go using filmless tube based NV, but if your halo is on the larger side, then I can't see any reason not to use thin filmed or standard filmed tubes. Omni IV/V spec filmed tubes should be fine too
Regards
David
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SNIPERS4DUMMIES</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so subs on the 300 are confirmed GTG??</div></div>
It's not confirmed by any of the manufacturers, but based on Peak Cartridge Pressure, they certainly seem to be within safe levels.
I wouldn't go using filmless tube based NV, but if your halo is on the larger side, then I can't see any reason not to use thin filmed or standard filmed tubes. Omni IV/V spec filmed tubes should be fine too
Regards
David
Re: PVS-14 and .300 Blackout?
Where did you get this Information about Film-less tubes?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cj7hawk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SNIPERS4DUMMIES</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so subs on the 300 are confirmed GTG??</div></div>
It's not confirmed by any of the manufacturers, but based on Peak Cartridge Pressure, they certainly seem to be within safe levels.
I wouldn't go using filmless tube based NV, but if your halo is on the larger side, then I can't see any reason not to use thin filmed or standard filmed tubes. Omni IV/V spec filmed tubes should be fine too
Regards
David </div></div>
Where did you get this Information about Film-less tubes?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cj7hawk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SNIPERS4DUMMIES</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so subs on the 300 are confirmed GTG??</div></div>
It's not confirmed by any of the manufacturers, but based on Peak Cartridge Pressure, they certainly seem to be within safe levels.
I wouldn't go using filmless tube based NV, but if your halo is on the larger side, then I can't see any reason not to use thin filmed or standard filmed tubes. Omni IV/V spec filmed tubes should be fine too
Regards
David </div></div>
Re: PVS-14 and .300 Blackout?
??? I didn't post any information about Filmless tubes.
I am a big fan of filmless tubes and quite liked the ones I have looked through, but I wouldn't choose one for recoil sensitive applications.
David.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ASM1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Where did you get this Information about Film-less tubes?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cj7hawk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SNIPERS4DUMMIES</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so subs on the 300 are confirmed GTG??</div></div>
It's not confirmed by any of the manufacturers, but based on Peak Cartridge Pressure, they certainly seem to be within safe levels.
I wouldn't go using filmless tube based NV, but if your halo is on the larger side, then I can't see any reason not to use thin filmed or standard filmed tubes. Omni IV/V spec filmed tubes should be fine too
Regards
David </div></div> </div></div>
??? I didn't post any information about Filmless tubes.
I am a big fan of filmless tubes and quite liked the ones I have looked through, but I wouldn't choose one for recoil sensitive applications.
David.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ASM1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Where did you get this Information about Film-less tubes?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cj7hawk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SNIPERS4DUMMIES</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so subs on the 300 are confirmed GTG??</div></div>
It's not confirmed by any of the manufacturers, but based on Peak Cartridge Pressure, they certainly seem to be within safe levels.
I wouldn't go using filmless tube based NV, but if your halo is on the larger side, then I can't see any reason not to use thin filmed or standard filmed tubes. Omni IV/V spec filmed tubes should be fine too
Regards
David </div></div> </div></div>
Re: PVS-14 and .300 Blackout?
k..I Got it now.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cj7hawk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">??? I didn't post any information about Filmless tubes.
I am a big fan of filmless tubes and quite liked the ones I have looked through, but I wouldn't choose one for recoil sensitive applications.
David.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ASM1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Where did you get this Information about Film-less tubes?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cj7hawk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SNIPERS4DUMMIES</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so subs on the 300 are confirmed GTG??</div></div>
It's not confirmed by any of the manufacturers, but based on Peak Cartridge Pressure, they certainly seem to be within safe levels.
I wouldn't go using filmless tube based NV, but if your halo is on the larger side, then I can't see any reason not to use thin filmed or standard filmed tubes. Omni IV/V spec filmed tubes should be fine too
Regards
David </div></div> </div></div> </div></div>
k..I Got it now.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cj7hawk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">??? I didn't post any information about Filmless tubes.
I am a big fan of filmless tubes and quite liked the ones I have looked through, but I wouldn't choose one for recoil sensitive applications.
David.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ASM1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Where did you get this Information about Film-less tubes?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cj7hawk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SNIPERS4DUMMIES</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so subs on the 300 are confirmed GTG??</div></div>
It's not confirmed by any of the manufacturers, but based on Peak Cartridge Pressure, they certainly seem to be within safe levels.
I wouldn't go using filmless tube based NV, but if your halo is on the larger side, then I can't see any reason not to use thin filmed or standard filmed tubes. Omni IV/V spec filmed tubes should be fine too
Regards
David </div></div> </div></div> </div></div>
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