Oh for fuck sake! Now having a backup to electronic optics is suddenly controversial on SH??
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Q Sugar Weasels Arrive Less than perfect looking
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It's not antiquated.
Batteries have been known to fail.
Lenses have been known to come loose inside the frame.
Emitters have been known to shit the bed.
Mounts have been known to come loose.
Battery connectors have been known to have issues. (Hello EOTECH)
You don't have only one flashlight, do you?
Yeah, irons suck in the dark, but if it is a properly set up HD rifle, it has a light on it. If you have a light, irons work fine.
I agree. I also prefer night sights when they're available.
Incidentally, I feel like irons work better with a flashlight in the dark than they do in daylight.
So, in the case with Aimpoint that I gave (battery contacts failing), what would you do? Buy two, and if one fails, send it back for warranty work? So instead of back up irons, we have a back up red dot....
I would realize that everyone who asks "should I or should I not run BUIS for TEOTWAWKI" are just undergoing a mental masturbation exercise while shooting their rifle from a bench at a square range...So, in the case with Aimpoint that I gave (battery contacts failing), what would you do? Buy two, and if one fails, send it back for warranty work? So instead of back up irons, we have a back up red dot....
How the hell do you keep your car running? There are way more electronics that can fail in much more spectacular ways than what you find in a red dot optic.
Or, as I said in my post, check your gear regularly. Is it functional? Turn it on if you keep it off. Is it working? Shake it awake if that is how it works. Is it working? Run some ammo through the gun. Is is still operational? Change the batteries (monthly/quarterly if you must)- even if you don't think they need to be changed. Regular maintenance is how you keep all of this stuff running.
As to the specific question of "what do you do when you find a fault?" Well, what do you do when your car needs a repair? You f'n fix it. And, you may even have a second car sitting in the drive way. Is it possible to have more than one firearm adequate to the task, in the exquisitely unlikely event that an optic suddenly barfs? No one has optics from rifles that have been sold, or for rifles that are yet to be built? No one owns 2+ firearms? Honest question, I don't own any guns. I'm just here for the witty banter...
I don't own any, either... except for my deer rifle with a 5 round capacity and a manually cycled action and a wooden stock. The optics I was talking about were mounted on duty rifles that were being used for quarterly training. The failures could just as easily have been in the line of duty, in this case.
I see it as one of those things that you don't need it until you need it.
Cheers.
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So, are you postulating that car electronics never fail?? (of course you aren't).
They do, and frequently at the worst possible time, sometimes WHILE you are operating said car.
I could check my electronic site right now, and 15 minutes from now, it could shit the bed.
My rifle is a work rifle, even if it wasn't, a decent set of BUIS are cheap insurance.
No, but the amount of pearl clutching over the potential failure of a optic mounted on a “HD rifle” aka safe queen aka range toy, when compared to the potential catastrophe of spectacular electronics failure in an automobile, is comical on a cosmic level.
We had some additional rifles so we swapped the whole system out for the sake of the training. We don't have a spare rifle lying around when actually on duty, though. We do have spare batteries on duty, but in this case, it would not have solved the problem. The optics failed while in use with fresh batteries in them.
Q predicted this! Lol
for that price I’m surprised they don’t have a nylon deflector like JPs
Ether way hope they make you right, that looks like a blem rifle, and unless you paid blem prices, I’d be annoyed too
for that price I’m surprised they don’t have a nylon deflector like JPs
Ether way hope they make you right, that looks like a blem rifle, and unless you paid blem prices, I’d be annoyed too
Take it you ride a horse to work and don’t own a car?
What are you typing this on?
Everything can fail, take care of your equipment and it’s majorly mitigated, run it hard and abuse it (like the internet tacticool guys) and you’ll probably also manage to break a buis
Surely one vehicle is kept on a trailer, towed behind your primary vehicle- just in case...
The AR next to me has a optic and a 45 degree offset RDS. The chance of both failing, and failing during a life or death situation, well it’s my time I guess
So, your argument against my rationale that you should always have a backup is that you have a backup?
I’m not really arguing, just saying all being electronics adverse is kinda silly, a mechanical sight can break too, just taking care of ones stuff
Well, the discussion was the OP showed interest in an EOTECH, but wondered why another member had BUIS on a HD rifle equipped with an EOTECH.
It has nothing to do with being electronics averse, it has everything to do with two is one and one is none.
I miss the old Snipershide where some guy would take his brand new 4k bolt gun out in the garage, beat it with a stick and spray paint it.
Also I put backup sights on everything.
They sell those Q rifles for 2k bucks apiece. Talk about laughing all the way to the bank.
I can dig that, but if one wanted something faster, a small backup RDS is great on a rifle, especially in low light.
I may be wrong, but my understanding was that the Sugar Weasel was designed as a lower cost offering to the Honey Badger and didn’t get the higher quality finish, additional QC, etc. That was basically what the difference was.
A local store here - before COVID Crazy - actually had both on display and the difference between them was night and day. So was the price. But the Honey Badger was gorgeous. The Sugar Weasel finished kind of reminded me of a blemish version.
A local store here - before COVID Crazy - actually had both on display and the difference between them was night and day. So was the price. But the Honey Badger was gorgeous. The Sugar Weasel finished kind of reminded me of a blemish version.
How do they shoot?
Bet the deflector gets much worse once you put some rounds downrange.
Just sayin' is all.
Bet the deflector gets much worse once you put some rounds downrange.
Just sayin' is all.
Depending on the material 6061, 7075, 7050 and condition T4 or T6 , clade or bare. Clear anodizing has variations of color that is due to time in tank and conduction of a part. Anodized test should be performed monthly for thickness and concentration. The color shows up when it’s dipped into anoseal 200F. the class of anodize also will determine the thickness and reflect color on material. Prep of material before anodize should be a detergent or degreaser/alkaline clean followed by an acid etch.
i have seen color blotching due to final DI rinse water left on part for a period of time or poor contact with parts on rack. Lots of room for error and I’m sure it’s outsourced due to its complexity.
i have seen color blotching due to final DI rinse water left on part for a period of time or poor contact with parts on rack. Lots of room for error and I’m sure it’s outsourced due to its complexity.
Considering the other finishes that have been developed, it seems a little silly to be still messing around with anodizing at this point.
Having BUIS is antiquated? Definitely not antiquated when your life depends on that gun. If you’re just plinking and it’s a sport rifle, do whatever but if it’s a duty rifle or defense, that’s not the approach I would take. In a fight things happen, more than just batteries dying, in a Iraq a guy on my squad had his M68 shot in a fight, he had BUIS, so he stayed in the fight. Just one example of several I could think of from personal experience.
Q's product page for the Sugar Weasel, before the new website, did have a note on the page about the finish:
Unlike billet receivers, forged receivers have impurities in the metallurgical content due to the forging process. Since no dye is added during anodizing, any imperfections or impurities in the metal are more readily seen through the clear anodization. Unfortunately, it's something that cannot be avoided but is only cosmetic in nature.
It was also mentioned in a Q&A that they did with AmmoLand when it was launched:
Also of note, while both guns have a clear anodized finish, the billet on the Honey Badger is very pure and has no imperfections. Giving the Honey Badger a very perfect gold color. There can be some minor impurities in the forged aluminum used in the Sugar Weasel, sometimes giving the receivers slight streaks.
Unlike billet receivers, forged receivers have impurities in the metallurgical content due to the forging process. Since no dye is added during anodizing, any imperfections or impurities in the metal are more readily seen through the clear anodization. Unfortunately, it's something that cannot be avoided but is only cosmetic in nature.
It was also mentioned in a Q&A that they did with AmmoLand when it was launched:
Also of note, while both guns have a clear anodized finish, the billet on the Honey Badger is very pure and has no imperfections. Giving the Honey Badger a very perfect gold color. There can be some minor impurities in the forged aluminum used in the Sugar Weasel, sometimes giving the receivers slight streaks.
You make me think back to my first rifle purchase during the Obama years, a little Ruger 10/22 Walnut stock from Dicks....... Got it home and found 3 tiny indented lines in the stock, was so unhappy. Took it back to fuss but that went nowhere, the indents seemed to align with some box staples, it was more likely Ruger's packaging screwup coimbined with shipping abuse. Or perhaps even mine, on the way home........
Some 40 weapons later, including 4 more Rugers, I've learned to mostly get past the small stuff.......even though it still bothers. But the flip side as you put it, how they feel and work - THAT is what strikes the bargain, eh?
I will admit, I've never had such as yours with a NEW purchase of similar price........that just might make me go ballistic.
Luck in the future!
And the way the current admin is leading, we'll be needing that flip side, eh?
