Gunsmithing Question about transferring a scope & rings to new

keninsb

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Hi guys. I am a rookie/novice at smithing and have a question about transferring a scope and rings from one rifle to another.
I have a rifle that I selling and am taking the scope and rings for another rifle. The rings were mounted on a picatinny rail and I lapped them bebore I mounted the scope. My question is, if I remove the rings from the rail with the scope still installed on the rings, can I transfer the scope and rings as a unit to the new rifle rail or do I have to remove the scope and re-lap the rings after they are mounted on the new rifle?
Any input is GREATLY appreciated.
Thanks,
Ken
 
Re: Question about transferring a scope & rings to new

It will drop-in as long as you are using the same make and style of base. I would still go through the whole mounting process to include lapping.
 
Re: Question about transferring a scope & rings to new

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: insight3b</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It will drop-in as long as you are using the same make and style of base. I would still go through the whole mounting process to include lapping. </div></div>

Thanks insight. Unfortunately the base will be a different manufacturer. I thought it may work if both bases were mil spec. I guess better safe than sorry.
Thanks again for the advice, I really appreciate it.
Ken
 
Re: Question about transferring a scope & rings to new

I've never had to lap rings. If you have good quality base and rings, they shouldn't need it. On the other hand, I have had to bed the base to some actions. Since you did lap your rings, you should at least mount them on your new base and check them. You might find that you'll need new rings (depending on how much lapping was required), then again maybe not. But check.
 
Re: Question about transferring a scope & rings to new

I may be crazy but I have a NF that I mounted in Ken Farrell rings about 5 years ago and have been swiitching between three or four different rifles and never had a problem. The rails are "supposed" to have the same spacing. I know one has different spacing (picataney) maybe.

I re mount the scope and snug it down and then bounce the rifle on the but stock to seat the rings in the rail and finish tightening the rings.

It's repeatable enough that I know what the change in elevation is between the different rifles. 7 mag to my 6-47 is 10 moa down.

Never had a problem, might not be the "right"way but it works.
 
Re: Question about transferring a scope & rings to new

Thanks for the input guys I really appreciate it.
The rings are made by Badger and I have to say that when I lapped them initially the paint/coating on them was very thick (and tough) but was removed very evenly. I found the same thing with a pair of Night Force rings that I have on another rifle. I never remove that much material when I lap the rings, just enough to make sure there is at least 50% contact.
Thanks again guys.
Ken
 
Re: Question about transferring a scope & rings to new

I move scope and rings as a unit occasionally. The rings and reticle are leveled to the bases, and the rear ring is mounted as far back as it will go, to allow more eye relief. I make it a hard rule never to loosen the rear ring from the scope, and to only loosen and respace the front ring. This does as good a job as can be managed to retain reticle alignment, and allows a good ring/scope set to mate to different bases, as long as their heights are not staggered. It may not be perfection, but to my eye, it's doing a pretty good job.

I don't put big bucks into my optics. I don't lap my rings. I don't sell my gear anymore, either.

My primary bucks go into a good barrel and well tuned handloads.

Truth be told, my skills and applications do not an warrant excessive pursuit of perfection.

Good enough is good enough.

I would not want to stand in front of my rifles, ammo, and a decent shooter at any distance within effective range. How much more do I need to improve upon that?

Greg
 
Re: Question about transferring a scope & rings to new

OK, not trying to stir the pot here, and have resigned myself to reinstall the scope and rings like new (including the lapping), but I posted the same question on the CalGuns.net web site and got a few strange response, at least they seemed a lioff to me.
One guy posted saying that "You lap rings to smooth them out to keep them from marking the scope tube". Now I am 99% sure that you lap the rings to make sure that are parallel and so that the inside of the rings make better contact with the scope to get a better "bite". Is that not correct?
Another guy said that "The reason for lapping is to remove any angular misalignment of the rings and base system" which sound reasonable, but his point was that that the rail will not mate to each recevier the same and that will warp. The rail needs to be bedded to the receiver before mounting the rings then the rings need to be lapped.
I am sorry, I didn't mean to make this post into a long lengthy discussion, but there are SO many varrying opinions out there.
Thanks again,
Ken
 
Re: Question about transferring a scope & rings to new

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: keninsb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">OK, not trying to stir the pot here, and have resigned myself to reinstall the scope and rings like new (including the lapping), but I posted the same question on the CalGuns.net web site and got a few strange response, at least they seemed a lioff to me.</div></div>
From what you posted about the two replies you mentioned, neither of them is <span style="font-style: italic">"wrong"</span>. The way that the responses were worded and your (admitted) minimal experience (and understanding) of the way lapping works makes it seem more complicated than it is. And that is not intended as a "dig" on you in any way. Also, IMO it's smart to remove and re-install the rings and start over since you're going to want to level the reticle with a plumb line.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: keninsb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One guy posted saying that "You lap rings to smooth them out to keep them from marking the scope tube". Now I am 99% sure that you lap the rings to make sure that are parallel and so that the inside of the rings make better contact with the scope to get a better "bite". Is that not correct?</div></div>
Lapping the rings does decrease the likelihood of ring marks, because lapping the rings <span style="font-style: italic">"in"</span> increases the contact area between the scope tube and the rings, increasing holding power for the given in/lb torque spec (i.e. the rings get a <span style="font-style: italic">"better bite"</span> on the tube). The rings will also be less likely to "bite" into the tube at the edges (this can still happen with rings whose edges aren't radiused along the tube contact, even if the ring tops are torqued to manufacturer specifications).

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: keninsb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Another guy said that "The reason for lapping is to remove any angular misalignment of the rings and base system" which sound reasonable, but his point was that that the rail will not mate to each recevier the same and that will warp. The rail needs to be bedded to the receiver before mounting the rings then the rings need to be lapped.</div></div>
This is also correct. Even if rings are perfectly-machined with their bores' concentric to each other, if the rail doesn't mate perfectly with the receiver the rail can distort and rings can still mark a scope. Rails and receivers aren't always perfect, and if the rail doesn't mate perfectly with the receiver the rail can warp. The result can be mis-aligned rings and a marked scope tube. That's why the guy said that <span style="font-style: italic">" The rail needs to be bedded to the receiver before mounting the rings then the rings need to be lapped."</span> Sometimes rails and bases need to be bedded, and sometimes they don't. It's easy to tell with a known-true one piece rail: Attach the rail to the receiver using only the two front screws (just snug). If the rear of the rail mates well with the receiver you're GTG. If there's a gap you should bed the rail.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: keninsb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am sorry, I didn't mean to make this post into a long lengthy discussion, but there are SO many varrying opinions out there.
Thanks again,
Ken </div></div>
No problem. I hope this helps clarify things for you.


Keith
 
Re: Question about transferring a scope & rings to new

Thanks Keith. Most of the comments made SOME sense to me, except the one about the scope ring marks. I can see that being a bonus to lapping the rings but not "the only reason" to lap them.
Got the message though. I will start the job from scratch.
Thanks again everyone.
Ken