Gunsmithing Question on the Red Jacket suppressed shotgun??

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Im no gunsmith by any means. But to me, they looked liked they ported the barrel and made it a part of the suppressor. It workded really well for them but what would happen with lead or plastic fouling from the wads? If if fouled the barrel and filled in the ports woulnt that essentually make the suppressor unoperatable?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: marku</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Im no gunsmith by any means. But to me, they looked liked they ported the barrel and made it a part of the suppressor. It workded really well for them but what would happen with lead or plastic fouling from the wads? If if fouled the barrel and filled in the ports woulnt that essentually make the suppressor unoperatable? </div></div>

146 Db isn't "working well" that's like standing next to a jet engine. All they did was blindly stumble onto the old 60s chambered exhaust system that was used on a lot of muscle cars. The show and their Deremel wielding band of idiots are a joke and not to be taken seriously.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: marku</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Im no gunsmith by any means. But to me, they looked liked they ported the barrel and made it a part of the suppressor. It workded really well for them but what would happen with lead or plastic fouling from the wads? If if fouled the barrel and filled in the ports woulnt that essentually make the suppressor unoperatable? </div></div>

146 Db isn't "working well" that's like standing next to a jet engine. All they did was blindly stumble onto the old 60s chambered exhaust system that was used on a lot of muscle cars. The show and their Deremel wielding band of idiots are a joke and not to be taken seriously. </div></div>

+1
I'm not so hip on all the class 2/3 stuff but the hubby worked for a few 07/SOT types. He said those guys are lauding a "new" invention that is old news. That show is all about catchy little gadgets and feel good B.S. and there is little to no hard data to show any true results. Most of the guys who build nifty AK variants are sheet metal beating, dremel tooling, "hold my beer and watch this" hacks. The show is a waste of time and lowers public opinion of the small manufacturer.

In other words, he is not a fan.

I thinks he's a dumbass for his whole "I built this business for my daughter so she could have an indoor job". Well, maybe if you raised her to take care of herself. Seriously? Its like saying "I built this man cave full of toys and I build toys for others so my baby girl has some place to hang out other than a brass pole"

How long before we get the whole disfunctional family conflict and have another American Choppers? Trash TV that is pointless, and damaging to the shooting sports. Would you send a hillbilly idiot to represent you?
 
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Oh, and on your original question:
Supressors are filthy pigs and yes it will foul, quickly, and need to be cleaned regularly. For a device that loud I seriously doubt its worth the time, expense, and effort for the tax stamp. But many supressors lose effectiveness as they foul and need to be cleaned or repacked.
 
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These RedJacket fools are exactly that, IMO... fools.

My dad has a 10ga Form 1 suppressor and a 12ga Form 1 suppressor.

One is built on the same idea as the MP5SD with a ported barrel, the other one is a standalone design but still uses a heavily ported guide tube to make sure that the wads don't come loose and rip the internals out of the suppressor.

They both work "well" compared to a full, unsuppressed shotgun blast but the bore size allows for an awful lot of unbaffled shock to traverse the guide tube and exit the muzzle, still creating a decent muzzle blast.

I wouldn't particularly note either as "ear safe" with supersonic loads, with light subsonic loads they are pretty quiet.
 
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To the AK guys, Red Jacket are like gods. They can make pretty much anything. The show makes them look really bad, but their stuff does work. Their AK supressors are also, for all intents and purposes, perfect replicas of the Soviet issue stuff.
 
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just get a 5 foot barrel extension that screws into your choke tubes
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They are plenty quiet, with subsonic ammo the the muzzle report stays in the barrel, and the thing is pretty dang quiet...

http://www.metrogun.com/index.html
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sousa</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To the AK guys, Red Jacket are like gods. They can make pretty much anything. The show makes them look really bad, but their stuff does work. Their AK supressors are also, for all intents and purposes, perfect replicas of the Soviet issue stuff. </div></div>

Wow, grinding sheet metal and smashing rivets. There are guys in their basements who crank out some great looking AK variants. They don't get a TV show that an embarasses a community that needs all the good press we can get. Mount a AOW semi 12 on an AR, Seriously? Its pathetic. If you saw the actual amount of work that goes into a full build or a Saiga pistol grip conversion you'd be pissed that guys like this ask so much for it. Its a hillbilly wet dream and another reason for liberals to point and say "why would anyone need guns, with guns attached to guns, and OMG SILENCERS ON SHOTGUNS!!!"

The shotty on the 4 wheeler for the wounded warrior was a cool cause, but they could have done a MUCH better job. Really phone that one in. You wanna see a real shop that produces real results? Look at some of the 07FFL threads on here.
 
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Some of us AK guys don't think Red Jacket are gods. I have never been impressed with their work and this opinion was formed way before that hokey show. IMHO not only is the work unimpressive, but a bit over priced. While this perhaps veers a little off topic Rifle Dynamics actually does superb work on the AK platform at a respectable rate. I do agree as well, that the show is giving 07FFL's a bad rep. Luckily, we are all afforded the opportunity to enlist the help of some quality 07FFL's as part of the Hide community.
 
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Every fall I go to closed match shotgun shooting events with the "sniper shotguns" as they have been called. Shotguns that have been modified and have 4-7 foot long barrels on them with chokes for 12 gauges that run into 16 gauge dimensions. They sound likes 22's shooting. These guys make a suppressor that doesn't even come close to that.
 
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I'd be satisfied if they would quit shooting tannerite in every episode without explaining that it's fucking tannerite. They're convincing thousands of idiots that an AK, shotgun or 10/22 causes shit to explode like a hand grenade when fired.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kenda</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sousa</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To the AK guys, Red Jacket are like gods. They can make pretty much anything. The show makes them look really bad, but their stuff does work. Their AK supressors are also, for all intents and purposes, perfect replicas of the Soviet issue stuff. </div></div>

Wow, grinding sheet metal and smashing rivets. There are guys in their basements who crank out some great looking AK variants. They don't get a TV show that an embarasses a community that needs all the good press we can get. Mount a AOW semi 12 on an AR, Seriously? Its pathetic. If you saw the actual amount of work that goes into a full build or a Saiga pistol grip conversion you'd be pissed that guys like this ask so much for it. Its a hillbilly wet dream and another reason for liberals to point and say "why would anyone need guns, with guns attached to guns, and OMG SILENCERS ON SHOTGUNS!!!"

The shotty on the 4 wheeler for the wounded warrior was a cool cause, but they could have done a MUCH better job. Really phone that one in. You wanna see a real shop that produces real results? Look at some of the 07FFL threads on here. </div></div>

I really have to agree. Some of the nicest AK's that I've ever seen (and I'm not much for the AK, not an insult to anyone, it just doesn't do it for me) but some of the nicest I've seen have come from a friend of mine and his group of cohorts that have AK build parties.

The workmanship on this forum from guys like Roscoe, Gordon, TacOps, Skunkworks, Dixon, Tooley, etc. and even the homebuilding guys like 300Sniper put these "professionals" to shame IMO.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kenda</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> so my baby girl has some place to hang out other than a brass pole" </div></div>
Whoever that might be in your avitar seems to have "pole dreams" hahaha

 
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rant

Not to mention they suggested that no one else had ever supressed a shotgun. Tac Ops patented a shotgun supressor a long time ago. That show is about firearms production just as much as American Chopper is about building motorcycles. It's supposed to be entertaining and is edited to be so.

It also drives me nuts that every freaking job they take is due "this Saturday". The AOW "kill stick" that they charge $350 for (or thereabouts) was a short barreled .410 shotgun that they had trouble getting to work. I ask you, why didn't they just sell that poor bastard a Taurus Judge? I don't particularly like the Taurus Judge but they would've saved the customer the stamp and probably had a better margin.

/rant
 
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Their last show where they built the 410 ga gator killer class 3 short barreled pen gun was a joke. They ended up spending a bunch of time on a dangerious tool that is class 3 (I guess not being an expert) when a Tarus Judge would serve the purpose much better. And I don't even like the Judges 410 revolvers.

They are bad news and I wonder how many people are going to get them selves in trouble attempting to make the crap they are messing with. BATF is probably having a field day and are a sponser so the get enough busts to keep them in business. Not a good show for the gun crowd.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redirt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think they designed that mini bang stick so the chick could keister carry at the strip club muahahahaha </div></div>

Wasted effort, from the looks of that strung out hag I'm pretty sure she could keister a blinged out Desert Eagle.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: smokshwn</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redirt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think they designed that mini bang stick so the chick could keister carry at the strip club muahahahaha </div></div>

Wasted effort, from the looks of that strung out hag I'm pretty sure she could keister a blinged out Desert Eagle.</div></div>

I've seen several posts on different forums, making comments about her being strung-out, or something to do with the girl on "Sons of Guns" being on the shit. I was wondering where that was coming from, & if it was something somebody caught on the show, a rumor, or just some "friendly" Internet bashing?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Big Russ</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: smokshwn</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redirt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think they designed that mini bang stick so the chick could keister carry at the strip club muahahahaha </div></div>

Wasted effort, from the looks of that strung out hag I'm pretty sure she could keister a blinged out Desert Eagle.</div></div>

I've seen several posts on different forums, making comments about her being strung-out, or something to do with the girl on "Sons of Guns" being on the shit. I was wondering where that was coming from, & if it was something somebody caught on the show, a rumor, or just some "friendly" Internet bashing? </div></div>

I have not heard this. It will be interesting to hear what others have to say about this...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Big Russ</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: smokshwn</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redirt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think they designed that mini bang stick so the chick could keister carry at the strip club muahahahaha </div></div>

Wasted effort, from the looks of that strung out hag I'm pretty sure she could keister a blinged out Desert Eagle.</div></div>

I've seen several posts on different forums, making comments about her being strung-out, or something to do with the girl on "Sons of Guns" being on the shit. I was wondering where that was coming from, & if it was something somebody caught on the show, a rumor, or just some "friendly" Internet bashing? </div></div>

Either way, if She really makes the sales they show her making on the show She's doing alright in my book. Products look less than great but She is bringing in big orders every episode.

You can't hate someone for doing a job. (Unless your Obama
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: aggiesig</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Big Russ</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: smokshwn</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redirt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think they designed that mini bang stick so the chick could keister carry at the strip club muahahahaha </div></div>

Wasted effort, from the looks of that strung out hag I'm pretty sure she could keister a blinged out Desert Eagle.</div></div>

I've seen several posts on different forums, making comments about her being strung-out, or something to do with the girl on "Sons of Guns" being on the shit. I was wondering where that was coming from, & if it was something somebody caught on the show, a rumor, or just some "friendly" Internet bashing? </div></div>

HAHA!!! U are a fan too huh? Obaba, not rej dacket

Either way, if She really makes the sales they show her making on the show She's doing alright in my book. Products look less than great but She is bringing in big orders every episode.

You can't hate someone for doing a job. (Unless your Obama
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Re: Question on the Red Jacket suppressed shotgun??

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: stealth_man</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Phylodog</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd be satisfied if they would quit shooting tannerite in every episode without explaining that it's fucking tannerite. They're convincing thousands of idiots that an AK, shotgun or 10/22 causes shit to explode like a hand grenade when fired. </div></div>

Very true. People see explosions after shots. Hell, just like the movies. </div></div>

this thread is destroying everything that video games teaches people.

so are you telling me that you can't just screw on a "silencer" to a shotgun and shit doesn't magically blow up when you shoot it?

i'm waiting for russ to chime in on this thread. his rants on red jacket are epic.
 
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I can't believe how some people are bashing the Red Jacket program. A lot of it sounds like sour grapes. We all know what what makes the explosions, big deal it's for entertainment. If you don't like it, don't watch the damn thing.