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I'll be purchasing a suppressor soon. Sooner rather than later, because of the wait time! Anyhow, I'm doing as much research as possible, to make sure that I purchase the right one.

Price is of no object, I would rather "buy once, cry once." The quick detach would be cool, but not a must. I have heard that quick detach can cause variable accuracy issues, and that would be a deal breaker for me. I don't care as much about POI shift, as I probably won't shoot my rifle without it on after I buy it, I only really care about accuracy. I am looking for an increase, not a decrease, as that would be my primary purpose for purchase.

This will be going on an AIAW in .308 (and also .260, at some point.)

Thanks!

-Bob
 
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Quick detach really is a misnomer ..... once the can is hot, you wont be taking it off any time soon until it cools.

Personally I would opt for a thread on. Sometimes they are a little quieter due to the seal the threads make between the barrel and the can itself. That being said with a thread on if you take it off you will need something to cover and protect the threads on the rifle itself. If you plan on moving the can around then go with a qd mount of some sort for ease of switching. But if you arent going to be moving it around and only really going to use it on one rifle Id go thread.

Its really just personal preference. Me Id buy a thread and thread it onto my rifle and leave it there.

My AR can is a QD for what its worth.
 
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Thanks. I don't mind spending a little extra for QD for the convenience it offers- its more a matter of performance. 1-2 db difference isn't a big deal, but if there is an accuracy difference, that is important.

With a QD I could run the same suppressor on my SCAR in 5.56, it would be tougher to accomplish with a thread on.
 
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With a precision rifle you are better off with a single point thread on.

The QD is more like QA and even then it's really an issue of semantics, the whole turns things. As been discussed once hot, they are not going to be touched either way, and most use a thumb break which will also be hot.

Single points are better on precision rifles...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Outsydlooknin75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1 to 2 Db IS a big difference though ..... since Db is an algorithm in how its measured. </div></div>

That (1 to 2 dB being a big performance difference) is NOT always the case. You and a bunch of other guys need to go back and re-read the first chapter of Paulson's first book. Then spend some time with a sound meter. Then get back me.
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I also question your comments about fast-attach suppressors being louder because of the seal.


I agree that for a precision rifle I prefer thread-mount over fast-attach. The thread-mount suppressors typically lock up more solidly. As mentioned the fast-attach suppressors can give the user more flexibility if mounting the suppressor on a variety of hosts.

Don't overlook the wonderful Ops Inc products. While not "fast-attach" they really aren't like a normal thread-mount suppressor either in that they have a secondary bearing surface. Some thread-mount suppressors can work themselves loose. This is more likely to happen on auto-loading weapons. This is why I have never recommended a thread-mount suppressor to someone wanting to use it on an auto-loading or high cycle rate (like an MG) host.

If you are wanting to use a .30-caliber suppressor on a 5.56 host, you should consider something other than a thread-mount product.
 
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Book, when I was discussing 30 cal cans with Mr Wisenheimer one day at the range he is the one that suggested that if I was to get a 30 cal can and it be used solely on a single rifle he would go for their thread on can over their QD can due to sound suppression. Now that might be due to subtle difference in the can itself and not the mounting system and I am not sure but I figured the Db Difference was due in part by the mounting system.

On the decibel scale, the smallest audible sound (near total silence) is 0 dB. A sound 10 times more powerful is 10 dB. A sound 100 times more powerful than near total silence is 20 dB. A sound 1,000 times more powerful than near total silence is 30 dB. So 1 to 2 dB is a big deal, now how the ear hears it and the brain transmits and process it is something different.
 
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The Cyclone-K and 762-SD are essentially the same sound reduction; the 762-SD is ~.5" longer & it uses the fast-attach mount. The full size Cyclone is about .75" longer than those and is ~3dB quieter. A fast-attach adapter alone doesn't change sound by sound escaping around the mount as you seemed to imply in your earlier post. Now in this post you say you are guessing. Guessing is a huge reason why there is so much bad information on internet boards. Way too many people parrot things they hear other people say or they guess when they have no real world, first-hand knowledge of the subject matter.

I STRONGLY suggest if you want to continue to comment and give advice on sound performance and sound measuring that you do as I suggested in my last post - go read about the limitations of sound metering equipment, do more research on sound pressure AND how humans hear sound. It would be a huge plus if you could go actually USE some sound measuring equipment as well. Then you will have a better understanding on this subject matter. Maybe then we can discuss frequency, tone and sound dissipation.

Take care,
 
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Okay, so thread on it is.

Hooking it up to my 5.56 is not a must have anyhow. The primary use will be for my AW in .308. I'm sure I could rig something up, but I don't care a ton. I would rather do it right on the AW, and worry about the SCAR later on.

Next question is this- which can to get? Accuracy is of primary concern, and the two others are durability and sound suppression.

Price is last on the list, though I don't necessarily want to spend more if I don't have to.
 
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^ Why?

Just get a thread on suppressor and leave it on. There is a ton of info on suppressors if you simply search. You can also create an account on silencer forums. I don't know what else to say. You seem to keep asking questions about equipment that either already has info published on NRR or you are simply asking about personal preference. If you are just looking for the quietest can that is going to hold up to fire under bolt action strings just do a search. Full auto cans are a different story but the choices for your criteria are pretty easily found.

There are three top notch suppressors just reviewed by Frank (guess you missed it). Here is the Link

Bachelor Jack also knows a thing or two about suppressors. You might want to check out his post history.

Josh
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MinorDamage</div><div class="ubbcode-body">^ Why?

Just get a thread on suppressor and leave it on. There is a ton of info on suppressors if you simply search. You can also create an account on silencer forums. I don't know what else to say. You seem to keep asking questions about equipment that either already has info published on NRR or you are simply asking about personal preference. If you are just looking for the quietest can that is going to hold up to fire under bolt action strings just do a search. Full auto cans are a different story but the choices for your criteria are pretty easily found.

There are three top notch suppressors just reviewed by Frank (guess you missed it). Here is the Link

Bachelor Jack also knows a thing or two about suppressors. You might want to check out his post history.

Josh </div></div>I did read franks review.

I keep asking questions- but I keep buying gear. From other members and from sponsors. I may ask a lot of questions but I keep backing it up with cash. I don't know why that bothers you so much. This is a discussion board. Without discussion, it gets to be a pretty boring place. Agree?
 
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I do agree to an extent. There are countless good suggestions in this thread. However, they have already been visited time and time again. I gave what I feel to be good advice

1. Search
2. Join silencer forums
3. Read Frank's review (you did. Good)
4. Read some of Bachelor Jack's posts

You're not the only one who gets it from me at times. It anyone's prerogative to purchase as much stuff of any type if they desire to. I just find it interesting that not everyone utilizes the resources that are already there to help refine their line of questioning. I guess I am simply tired of seeing the same thread over and over again. I call it lazy.

In all seriousness, I'll get out of your thread. Please do the remaining three options that I posted. Discussion thread or not, the amount of new topics started is startling considering the amount of info that is already here.

Josh
 
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Josh,

I appreciate your input. While I am new to this board, I am not new to discussion boards, and do know that seeing the same threads over and over again can get tiresome.

That being said, I have been having difficulty with this boards search engine. I have been having better luck using google, and looking for the Snipers Hide topics that come up there.

I'll look at Bachelor Jack's posts too. I'm not sure I'll join a suppressor board, but I'll definitely do some research on them (I started that a few days ago actually.)

-Bob
 
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Not sure if you already have it but here is the Sniper's Hide specific google search.

Link

Also, you can search any website on google by typing "site:insertwebsitehere"

Do not put www behind "site"

A search for suppressors would be "suppressors site:snipershide.com"

Another example for other websites is "suppressors site:silencertalk.com"

BTW, it was silencer talk, not forum. Plop something like that into google and you have a much better search than most forums.

Josh
 
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And I didn't mean to sound cocky by throwing money around, only to point out that I am serious and I have been buying what has been suggested.

As a few examples- I was advised to join the online training when I started a thread of "AW vs TRG-22." So I did, the next day.

After hashing out that topic for a few weeks, I bought the AW, because of the sheer amount of AI support in that thread. I had a line on a stellar deal on a TRG, and I almost did it, the thread steered me in the other direction. 500+ rounds later (in the month since purchasing it,) I feel it was absolutely the correct way to go.

This particular thread, I couldn't find by searching- and it didn't come about as a lack of research. I was recommended to buy a Surefire can- they are quick detach. AI's new can system (by SAS) that they are coming out with is also QD. Another member pointed out that QD cans aren't as good for precision work. I started this thread because of that, pointing out MY specific needs in a suppressor.

My last question- "which do you recommend" was probably a bit open and that's what opened me up for this, but I only figured that since I had everyone's attention as it was, I could get a little free advice.

I will end up buying based on the recommendations I get.

-Bob
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MinorDamage</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not sure if you already have it but here is the Sniper's Hide specific google search.

Link

Also, you can search any website on google by typing "site:insertwebsitehere"

Do not put www behind "site"

A search for suppressors would be "suppressors site:snipershide.com"

Another example for other websites is "suppressors site:silencertalk.com"

BTW, it was silencer talk, not forum. Plop something like that into google and you have a much better search than most forums.

Josh </div></div>No, I didn't have that. That will help a ton. The search engine here is not so good! Thanks for the link.
 
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Honestly right now I would be contacting ThunderBeast or Shark and both can give you the option you need to mount it on the AI.

Weight & Accuracy as well as sound are going to be super close and the prices are also within the ball park of each other. So it can be a flip of the coin if that is what it comes down too, it can be price, as there is a minor difference, but you wouldn't be wrong with either.

i dont think you should be looking for a can that work with your AI and a SCAR, its two different missions that should warrant a different solution. Besides, look at the money you have spend, do you really want to compromise now when you can just as easily wait and get the dedicated can for the SCAR.

You don't need a QD for a Precision Rifle, and you can just as easily knock the muzzle brake off and use the exact same thread. The time it takes is about the same.

I would not be looking at anything other than Ti for your Precision rifle, and I would be looking at one of the two listed.
 
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A AAC SCAR-H would fit your bill. With the MITER system I would use it on a bolt gun and a semi.

Otherwise, I too agree that thread on is better for a bolt gun.

IMHO.......3db and up would matter, <3db is not going to matter. When metering I'm able to tell and see the difference.

 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Honestly right now I would be contacting ThunderBeast or Shark and both can give you the option you need to mount it on the AI.

Weight & Accuracy as well as sound are going to be super close and the prices are also within the ball park of each other. So it can be a flip of the coin if that is what it comes down too, it can be price, as there is a minor difference, but you wouldn't be wrong with either.

i dont think you should be looking for a can that work with your AI and a SCAR, its two different missions that should warrant a different solution. Besides, look at the money you have spend, do you really want to compromise now when you can just as easily wait and get the dedicated can for the SCAR.

You don't need a QD for a Precision Rifle, and you can just as easily knock the muzzle brake off and use the exact same thread. The time it takes is about the same.

I would not be looking at anything other than Ti for your Precision rifle, and I would be looking at one of the two listed. </div></div>I have contacted both of them, and I am leaning in that direction as well.

Here's a question- the shark runs $250+ more than the Thunderbeast. I know that I can change the end pieces, but where this is going to be dedicated to my AI per your recommendations about, I don't see that being a benefit. Therefore, the only benefit is going to be that I can clean it.

There are mixed opinions on Silencer Talk as to weather that is a benefit or not. Some say it makes a difference on a centerfire, some does not. I DO want this can to last, I am putting 500+ rounds down range a month, so this can will see 6000 rounds a year at that rate.

Is cleaning it worth the difference?

I could go either way and $250 is negligible at this point.

Thanks,

-Bob
 
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Your decision point is not the cans ability to open or not. Your already buying a can in a league that will perform better than the majority and either will clean in the rare instances that you will need to.

Do yourself a favor, hear the 100% titanium AWC Thundertrap. It too is a thread on, it is sealed, but it has a sound that is astonishing and weighs in at 15ozs.

Your buying a great class of can and your issue is not about cleaning at your round count. Any of these cans will last a lifetime. Hear the can you are going to buy, hear it!

BTW - 1 to 2 dB is a big thing for some manufacturers and clients. Why? 3 dB is a doubling of perceived sound...<span style="font-weight: bold">doubling</span>. After dealing with perceived dB some manufacturers then work to attend to the residual noise perceived <span style="font-style: italic">at range</span> and work to mask that frequency.

http://www.awcsystech.com/about/letter-from-mac/

Good luck on what appears to be a thoughtful purchase.

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The only can that absolutely needs to be able to come apart for cleaning is a rimfire can.

I would not even consider a take apart can for center fire rifles. As long as you are shooting jacketed bullets (and not cast lead) you can shoot thousands upon thousands of rounds through it before it wears out.
 
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Guys-

I looked at the AWC, but I don't see a titanium on their site. It's listed as a stainless can, at 29 ounces!

I know that take apart isn't a must by any means, but the Shark IS a take apart, and no one has complained about durability on them. The two downsides to take apart cans are usually durability and weight- and on the shark, the weight is listed at 14.7 ounces, which is light!

Thanks for the input, and feel free to keep it coming.

-Bob
 
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For those that have been offering input- why not an AAC or a SAS? I have heard good things about these cans as well.
 
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Cleaning them is not an issue, I personally ignore them 95% of the time, but you don't need to take them apart to clean them. You can spray a little cleaner inside and hose them out if you wanted too. But most don't need any kind of real cleaning.

My Jet Ti can hasn't been cleaned in ages, at least 8,000 rounds worth of use without cleaning. My shark hasn't be apart or cleaned since I owned it and my serial is like 11 or something. I never take it apart, I have no reason too.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RollingThunder51</div><div class="ubbcode-body">..

BTW - 1 to 2 dB is a big thing for some manufacturers and clients. Why? 3 dB is a doubling of perceived sound...<span style="font-weight: bold">doubling</span>. After dealing with perceived dB some manufacturers then work to attend to the residual noise perceived <span style="font-style: italic">at range</span> and work to mask that frequency.

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Well, you at least touched on frequency but you are still focusing on dB numbers and discounting frequency, some and dissipation. The sound meter does NOT tell you anything about tone or frequency.

I have two 5.56 suppressors that I've let a lot of people shoot side-by-side on identically setup AR15s. One of the suppressors always, regardless of ammo or environment, beats the second suppressor on the sound meter by 1 to 2 dB. But 100% of the people I've let shoot those suppressors agree the second suppressor sounds quieter.

dB numbers matter but only to an extent. They do not tell the complete story.
 
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I use a 0.30 caliber sound suppressor that attaches to
the special flash hider installed on a variety of weapons.
I move the suppressor from my precision and rack grade rifles to my AK and back even when the can is hot.
If I owned an AR I would install the correct flash hider and suppress it with the same can. Both noise reduction and accuracy are great.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BookHound</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RollingThunder51</div><div class="ubbcode-body">..

BTW - 1 to 2 dB is a big thing for some manufacturers and clients. Why? 3 dB is a doubling of perceived sound...<span style="font-weight: bold">doubling</span>. After dealing with perceived dB some manufacturers then work to attend to the residual noise perceived <span style="font-style: italic">at range</span> and work to mask that frequency.

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Well, you at least touched on frequency but you are still focusing on dB numbers and discounting frequency, some and dissipation. The sound meter does NOT tell you anything about tone or frequency.

I have two 5.56 suppressors that I've let a lot of people shoot side-by-side on identically setup AR15s. One of the suppressors always, regardless of ammo or environment, beats the second suppressor on the sound meter by 1 to 2 dB. But 100% of the people I've let shoot those suppressors agree the second suppressor sounds quieter.

dB numbers matter but only to an extent. They do not tell the complete story.</div></div>


Actually, the issue is duration, then frequency. A good synopsis is to be found here (shop name edited out as it really doesn't matter):

"The problem with decibel readings is that it expresses a pressure level of sound, and gives no insight as to the "quality" or frequency of the sound.

If we, the "experts", can be deceived users are at great risk of being deceived. That deception is now a crucial part of some of our competitors marketing campaigns. Far too often we have seen cases where the very best meter claimed that device "A" had a lower reading than device "B". However, observers unanimously agreed that device "B" sounded significantly quieter in all respects. In other words, the dB reading was the least accurate way to judge the true, and more importantly, applied use of a particular design. That leads us to another inescapable truth, again, important enough to be set off by itself:

We at XXXXXX, do consider data produced by our meters, but we are more interested in how the device sounds in actual use as perceived by the parties who use them. The sound meter's opinion is considered, but it doesn't get the final word on what we build.

We strive to design our suppressors so that the shot fired sounds "unlike" or "not characteristic" of firearm noise. We are aware of several units produced by other companies that do, according to the meter, produce less noise than our device of similar nature. However, when these devices are compared in real world live fire tests our devices are noticeably more pleasant to the human ear. Several well known silencer aficionados have observed these tests and agree with our attitude toward the decibel. They say our suppressors have the "sweet sound".

<span style="font-weight: bold">If you still need more proof, consider this. A good example of this "deception" is the comparison of sound between a .308 caliber rifle and a .300 WIN MAG rifle. The meter will tell us that both rifles produce the same decibel level of noise. Upon firing these rifles, however, all would agree that the .300 WIN MAG sounds much louder. What the decibel meter doesn't tell us is that although both rifles produce the same peak sound pressure level (SPL), the .300 WIN MAG holds its peak duration longer. In other words the .300 WIN MAG sound remains at full value longer and IS louder while the .308 goes to peak and falls off more quickly. dB meters fail in this, and other regards.</span>"
 
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If you still need more proof, consider this. A good example of this "deception" is the comparison of sound between a .308 caliber rifle and a .300 WIN MAG rifle. The meter will tell us that both rifles produce the same decibel level of noise. Upon firing these rifles, however, all would agree that the .300 WIN MAG sounds much louder. What the decibel meter doesn't tell us is that although both rifles produce the same peak sound pressure level (SPL), the .300 WIN MAG holds its peak duration longer. In other words the .300 WIN MAG sound remains at full value longer and IS louder while the .308 goes to peak and falls off more quickly. dB meters fail in this, and other regards."


Great info.

I will also be buying one.

Thanks Book hound

 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bm11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Any suppressor options to work with the AI tactical muzzle brake?

This one:
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Why would you thread a suppressor onto a break AFTER a chamber? thats not going to do squat for your suppression.....

Take the break off and go direct thread on in Ti. I have an old school AAC 762SD on my AI and its a beast!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GMR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you still need more proof, consider this. A good example of this "deception" is the comparison of sound between a .308 caliber rifle and a .300 WIN MAG rifle. The meter will tell us that both rifles produce the same decibel level of noise. Upon firing these rifles, however, all would agree that the .300 WIN MAG sounds much louder. What the decibel meter doesn't tell us is that although both rifles produce the same peak sound pressure level (SPL), the .300 WIN MAG holds its peak duration longer. In other words the .300 WIN MAG sound remains at full value longer and IS louder while the .308 goes to peak and falls off more quickly. dB meters fail in this, and other regards."


Great info.

I will also be buying one.

Thanks Book hound

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Book hound didn't write those words, they came from the AWC website, found under "Understanding Suppression."

KY, I agree! I thought it was a joke!

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYshooter338$</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why would you thread a suppressor onto a break AFTER a chamber? thats not going to do squat for your suppression.....

Take the break off and go direct thread on in Ti. I have an old school AAC 762SD on my AI and its a beast! </div></div>From what my common sense can tell, the suppressor must extend back down over the brake, sealing off the brake ports. I agree that a direct thread on makes more sense though- less weight and overall length.
 
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I was not going to comment about Ti rifle suppressors because it rarely does any good and often stirs up controversy (and sometimes hard feelings), typically from people who drink the Ti kewl-aid. But folks should really research Titanium properties when considering buying a Ti rifle suppressor. Pay particular attention to what happens to Titanium as it is exposed to high temperatures. Understand there are different grades of Ti. Factor in how you plan to use the suppressor. Titanium is fine for some applications, but not as good as SS for others. Do your own research on this. I won't comment further on it.
 
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I was thanking Mark, he did spend a bunch of time with going over this topic. I am also a machinist, so I do understand metals, and how things are designed and manufactured.

Why would there be an issue with having a break on the end of the barrel and then adding the suppressor on top of that,. in direct connection with noise reduction???

Your statment is saying that it will not work properly.

I understand 100% how it is assembled, so if there is this huge draw back , please explain this to me. And don't worry about loosing me with technical information, I am sure I can follow along.

As for the information I quoted I do think it is great, I also know that he did not write it.

Reason I know this info to be true and think it is great.

I build and tune custom built Harley engines. I have an in house dyno, long story short had to deal with the city on noise. Had several company's come out and perform noise testing.

Take two bikes both are emitting the same DB. However one seems to be louder to the human ear than the other. Never gave it much thought to applying this to fire arms though. Upon reading it , I understand it very clearly . I deal with this almost daily tuning engines. same principle just different noise producing items.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GMR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Why would there be an issue with having a break on the end of the barrel and then adding the suppressor on top of that,. in direct connection with noise reduction??? </div></div>

Good question.
 
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In technical terminology?

<span style="font-size: 26pt"><span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #FF0000">BANG!</span></span></span>

let alone flash suppression, requirement for specific back pressure for cycling, think suppressing revolvers. Any gap is a problem.

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There are some exceptions:



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And some brilliant gunsmiths working on the problem:


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Que Nagant observers...and all those that struggled to suppress the Walther P7..



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Titanium Thread on.
However, if left on in storage, you are asking for trouble. More so on a Chrome moly barrel.
 
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What KY is saying is, unless the suppressor goes back over the muzzle brake chamber, it won't suppress anything. In the context of the single point can, he was making the point that threaded to the end it doesn't work.

But if that is matched to a particular suppressor, which I believe they use SAS now, and that suppressor covers the chamber, then no problem.

The post is a bit vague, I think it is what it comes down too.


In regards to Ti cans, I have been running them since 2004, and I have well over 15,000 rounds through my first T1 can, so I would consider myself the Kewl Aid drinker of Ti... I have 7 Ti cans and I can honestly say heat has never been an issue or safety issue... I would like to see the evidence of the inferior properties of the Ti in this instance because after 6 years of constant use I think I would have noticed it.

I understand there may have been an issue with a Ti can or two, mainly AAC if I recall correctly, but I don't think that can be applied across the board. In fact I have been running a Ti 338 can since 2005 and I even use the same suppressor on my 7WSM which is a well known hammer.

In a precision rifle the benefit of Ti cannot be under stated. It goes far beyond the idea that the heat will be hot enough or sustained long enough to make a difference. Not to mention many of them use inconel internals so the fear factor about Ti , in my experience over 7 cans, and more rounds than I can count are no supported. Isolated incidents are more than likely just that... like anything else with suppressors.
 
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As I stated previously, Ti isn't an issue for all applications. For precision rifles you likely won't get the suppressor hot enough where it the material can become brittle.

Some people are under the impression that Ti is indestructible and that simply is not the case.
 
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Not sure what you are exactly saying here. One gets out of a Ti can that which one puts into it.

In some suppressors, the amount of Ti material <span style="font-weight: bold">removed</span> is more than the amount that some other Ti envelopes start with. Lighter, strong, cools faster and able to take high heat for prolonged periods of FA fire. A new $360,000 7 Axis Okuma dedicated to cutting titanium cans will do the job. Start with U.S. made (so much foreign c-r-a-p out there) <span style="font-weight: bold">solid</span> Ti bar (yes, making the tube out of solid!) gets you all the way there and back...

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The welding of the internals is also of paramount importance. Welding in titanium is an art. It takes allot longer to weld titanium (5x-10x). 12 seconds at a time..rotate...12 seconds, stop....rotate. Highest paid guys on the floor? Ti welders, by far. So a Neutral chamber robotic welders are used in production. <span style="font-weight: bold">MOST Ti CANS ARE NOT WELDED! Always ask!</span> The best ones are <span style="font-weight: bold">360 welded</span> and can take it all. Ti? Hell, yes.

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How do you get an end cap this strong? Solid!

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When they deserve the best that can be made? 100% Titanium T.H.O.R. Thermal High Order Radiant

Even on single shots..the heat can build!

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Re: Quick detach vs thread on suppressors...

Who said there was a gap?? In fact that is not the case at all. There is no gap, by design the outside OD of the brake is a mirror to ID.

Really a very clever design if you stop to think about it.

You may or may not be able to answer this 51... How many that use Ti are using sold bar stock and USA grade?? I deal with TI in engines and well not a fan and we build them for a living. However that said I hae no idea what grade of Ti is being used or any of the manufacture process. For all I know it is the lowest grade they can get.