Rant--I just do not get it

[THEIS]

Hi, (Industry Flame Suit On)

OK so I am giving advance notice, lol....This thread is a personal/business rant. I intend to point no direct fingers at anyone/any company/etc etc but more of a generalized topic in which maybe, just maybe some conversations will sprout from in that can improve the very subject of this rant.

Jersey Shooters....speaking specifically to ELR genre Jersey Shooters!!!

I just do not get the how and why some of you must act so superior to non Jersey Shooters.
I just do not get the how and why some of you feel the need to assert your knowledge of "what counts and what doesn't count" yet you break safety procedures left and right.
I just do not get the how and why some of you feel as if someone that is not wearing a Jersey somehow is not affiliated and directly connected to not only the ELR shooting genre but to the firearms industry directly.
I just do not get the how and why some of you feel as if a Jersey somehow gives you the right to not be an ambassador to the ELR community; as if the sponsor(s) on your Jersey run the community.
I just do not get the how and why some of you feel as if you should not be concerned as much about the projection of the company names on your Jersey as you are concerned about match placement.

Company Owners aka Sponsors....

Let us be real for a minute, sponsoring a shooter, especially in the ELR genre has pretty much a zero ROI. It is a cost center allocated in your marketing budget, not a revenue generator because the community itself is not large enough in the scheme of things to provide a return on that sponsorship package.
So why in the world would companies allow their sponsored shooters to do anything that hinders the growth of the community?
So why in the world would companies allow their sponsored shooters to do anything that hinders the possibility of other companies joining with yours as a more synergistic sponsorship?
So why in the world are companies not demanding better brand ambassadorship from their shooters wearing Jerseys with their name on it? Every other industry sponsorship packages line that sort of thing out sentence by sentence.

Shooters In General...

You NEVER know who that non jersey wearing person is at the match.
They could be social media managers from a company looking for people to sponsor.
They could be the accounting managers from a company looking for people to sponsor.
They could be the wife of another shooter that is just trying to get his wife more involved aka GROWING the community.

Summation...
NOBODY is shooting PRS and/or ELR competitions for a living, no matter how many names you have on your Jersey; so maybe the industry would grow better IF more people focused on Ambassadorship instead of chasing sponsorship.
The sponsorship's will come to you IF you have the personality and attitude companies seek for their "In House" employees.

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[RTH1800]

And the worst are the New Jersey shooters.

 

[Geno C.]

This is definitely something I’ve never understood at matches. While not all, there are some, and there should be none; sponsored shooters that are arrogant, or assholes. As normal shooters, much less, sponsored ones, we should all be friendly and helpful. Maybe it’s because I shoot for enjoyment I’m loud and I’m sure some people might not see my humor, but I always make it a point to help spot, loan equipment, offer suggestions, do anything I can to help everyone shoot their best and have the best possible time doing it! I like to surround myself with the same type of people too.

 

[Threadcutter308]

Off topic relative to the sport, but relevant in terms of competition;

When I was a kid growing up, the Seafair hydroplane races were a big deal. If one boat blew up an engine and didn’t have a spare, it was very common for another boat to lend them one of theirs. Back then, it was very unusual to have a heat with only half the qualifiers in the water.

Those guys understood.

 

[Caihlen]

This is exactly why I don’t compete anymore. At 60 yrs old with years of HP Service Rifle under my belt I got way better things to do than listen to some arrogant, loud asshole strut and bellow. Fuck that. Keep your matches.

 

[Newbie2020]

@THEIS heres your answer: selfishness.

I’m always amazed when the knowledgeable experienced guys take time for me and not at all shocked at the selfish pricks—-I guess that makes me jaded. I’ve got low expectations of humanity.

The jerks in the match are the same jerks from High school: some people don’t ever change. The irony is that no one likes them; even their “friends” and wives don’t like them. They simply tolerate them.

I agree with your point that sponsors would be smart to pay attention to which top shooters are good ambassadors for the sport—-and there’s plenty; those are the people who will increase sales.

 

[RTH1800]

I have very little match experience. I have shot competition for years internationally in another shooting sport. Highly ranked, dozens of wins in world class competition etc.

I attended two rimfire matches over last year. One NLR and one ELR. At the NLR match I saw several instances of “do overs”, extra time, extra shots etc.

At the ELR rimfire match I hit all the targets for which I had verified data. There were some jersey types there. Annoying, loud. They knew where every shot was for the gang and the non competitive shooters. When I got beyond my data and missed it was very quiet. I ask for nothing and heard nothing other than whispers.

After shoot was over the head jersey boy came up and wanted to share where my misses were, ask about my rifle, scope etc. I told him the shoot was over and it was irrelevant.

I’m not interested in these type games.

 

[Steel head]

Can I be on team Hoplite?
I have championship levels of asshole capabilities.

 

[Newbie2020]

Get jerseys printed up. Get a beer and a whiskey sponsor. Maybe get a portapotty clean out company sponsor.

 

[GIXXER2000]

I was thinking of trying to get get Masingill as a sponsor. That way you would know I was a douche in a jersey without ever having to speak to me....lol
I do get was you are saying its like put on a sponsor jersey and remove move curtiosity. I shoot ELR with the SWE ULR group our matches are always full and we all help and respect each other. There have been a couple of people who got out of line and now they dont shoot at matches.

 

[Newbie2020]

Problem solved.

 

[Geno C.]

@GIXXER2000 thats how matches should handle problems like that

 

[DownhillFromHere]

Maybe it's time to start a new forum here: "Jersey Videos"

I had the privilege of shooting with a number of world-class skeet shooters in the late '80s through the '90s, including the legendary Wayne Mays (1943-2013). Interesting that sponsored shooters in skeet never wore jerseys... Anyway, most of the top-rung shooters were very business-like while shooting and certainly had their groups within which they circulated at competitions, but all but a very few were approachable and helpful. I remember how, on a Thursday before a big shoot at our club, one of the best shooters in the country left his practice squad to talk with a young boy who, with his father, was watching. Turned out the boy wanted to try skeet, so Til left his squad to go help.

THAT is what we should all strive to be. Theis, your comments are right on.

Not precisely on topic, but it's a good story...

I was participating in a skeet shoot at Camp Lejeune, NC back in the late '90s. Conversation was around military rank correlated with attitude. One of the guys described a duty station where the skeet ranges were located on high terrain adjacent to a golf course, and on days when the wind was favorable, shot could occasionally sprinkle down on a small area of one fairway.

Sp one afternoon when the wind was right, a golf cart comes barreling up to the skeet range clubhouse and a guy jumps out in full I-am-important mode, ranting "My eagles don't like being shot at." This goes on for a bit. When he pauses for breath, a guy who had been watching steps up and quietly says, "Colonel. My stars don't like being shouted at." And just looks at him. Eagles gets a little wide-eyed as he recognizes the general, turns, gets in his cart, and disappears back down the hill.

 

[theLBC]

i used to put on a red vest and walk around Target giving bad advice.

 

[Threadcutter308]

i used to put on a red vest and walk around Target giving bad advice.

So, just another, run of the Mill Target employee, huh ?

 

[MadDuner]

Humans....
The “sponsored jersey” attitudes are prevalent in most any form of competition where amateur, semi-pro, and pro people show up at the same place.

People gain sponsorships based on performance.
People lose sponsorships based on attitudes and conduct.

 

[Gatorshark]

i used to put on a red vest and walk around Target giving bad advice.

Be shamed!

 

[chrome]

With PRS growing significantly YoY, do we think these jersey voices will get louder or drown out?

 

[Quicksilver338]

I agree and have also seen this happen!! It seems majority of sponsored shooters are good people. Then you have your asshole cliques that usually get what’s coming to them in the end. I’ve shot a few PRS matches, and maybe it’s because I’m no threat to the top shooters, but they have been helpful for the most part. Advice, lending gear, etc. at the beginning of every match it’s also discussed to be nice to the new folk, train them and let them borrow gear. I think this is the way it should be done, I can understand the keep to yourself attitude between high end competitive shooters...which I also think that’s the way it should be.

I have a friend who isn’t sponsored but regularly gives all the sponsored shooters a run for their money, or does better! I almost prefer it that way and laugh...just because you’re sporting stickers doesn’t make you a shooter. I think as a community guys like OP is talking about should be called out and corrected. Nothing they do benefits the growth or portrayal of the sport. Really only hurting ourselves not improving it.

 

[Steel head]

It’s official!

 

[ken4570tc in WY]

Hi, (Industry Flame Suit On)

OK so I am giving advance notice, lol....This thread is a personal/business rant. I intend to point no direct fingers at anyone/any company/etc etc but more of a generalized topic in which maybe, just maybe some conversations will sprout from in that can improve the very subject of this rant.

Jersey Shooters....speaking specifically to ELR genre Jersey Shooters!!!

I just do not get the how and why some of you must act so superior to non Jersey Shooters.
I just do not get the how and why some of you feel the need to assert your knowledge of "what counts and what doesn't count" yet you break safety procedures left and right.
I just do not get the how and why some of you feel as if someone that is not wearing a Jersey somehow is not affiliated and directly connected to not only the ELR shooting genre but to the firearms industry directly.
I just do not get the how and why some of you feel as if a Jersey somehow gives you the right to not be an ambassador to the ELR community; as if the sponsor(s) on your Jersey run the community.
I just do not get the how and why some of you feel as if you should not be concerned as much about the projection of the company names on your Jersey as you are concerned about match placement.

Company Owners aka Sponsors....

Let us be real for a minute, sponsoring a shooter, especially in the ELR genre has pretty much a zero ROI. It is a cost center allocated in your marketing budget, not a revenue generator because the community itself is not large enough in the scheme of things to provide a return on that sponsorship package.
So why in the world would companies allow their sponsored shooters to do anything that hinders the growth of the community?
So why in the world would companies allow their sponsored shooters to do anything that hinders the possibility of other companies joining with yours as a more synergistic sponsorship?
So why in the world are companies not demanding better brand ambassadorship from their shooters wearing Jerseys with their name on it? Every other industry sponsorship packages line that sort of thing out sentence by sentence.

Shooters In General...

You NEVER know who that non jersey wearing person is at the match.
They could be social media managers from a company looking for people to sponsor.
They could be the accounting managers from a company looking for people to sponsor.
They could be the wife of another shooter that is just trying to get his wife more involved aka GROWING the community.

Summation...
NOBODY is shooting PRS and/or ELR competitions for a living, no matter how many names you have on your Jersey; so maybe the industry would grow better IF more people focused on Ambassadorship instead of chasing sponsorship.
The sponsorship's will come to you IF you have the personality and attitude companies seek for their "In House" employees.

Sincerely,
Theis

Hope this wasn't from a recent ELR match in Wyoming! I attended Friday and Saturday to see what it was all about. My only other competition experience was 1000 yard bench rest. I was looking for some education and pleasantly received it. I never felt un-welcomed and had some good conversations with one of the Jersey wearing RO's. I suspect some of us have come to 'tolerate' negative behavior from some in hope that we can avoid the club fracturing feuds that have been the ruin of many local groups. Your points are well taken.

 

[The D]

It’s official!
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Oh perfect. I already have that jersey, Theis can just draw on the back with a marker

 

[aaronk]

The idea of sponsoring a shooter in this sport just seems like a waste of money period. The only audience you're reaching is the competition crowd, and they are such a minuscule amount of the shooting population why would you even bother? Anyone shooting a competition is also the type that has for the most part already done their research, know what they like and want to run, and thus can give two shits about what the "professional shooter" in his jersey is running.

 

[timintx]

Theis I am sorry you have to see stuff like this happen especially in ELR . I am a jersey shooter for Cutting Edge Bullets, without sponsors I could not compete in the ELR game due to having to commit to 5 or more matches per year of long travel distances. it still cost me 8000.00 last year not counting the guns, ammo and equipment even with a sponsorship plus I have to lose research and work time as well, but I fully understand the responsibilities involved as I think most jersey guys do as well. Dan the owner of Cutting Edge Bullets makes all shooters sign a contract stating that if issues come up where the shooter does not act respectable towards others he can and will drop the individual from the sponsorship on the spot at his discretion. My personal opinion is that a Jersey does not mean he is better ,it means that person should do everything possible to promote the sport, helping shooters not only at the matches but at the ranges where new guys are coming in and watching a kids face light up when he gets his first hit at a mile. Ultimately it is hard to screen a persons honesty but the contract is a good start. There is always the arrogant and rude guy who thinks he is better but there is probably just as many non jersey shooters who act the same way too. The Jersey shooters in ELR that I shoot with will loan you their gun or tools , spot for you if needed and most times help you to beat them .

 

[ubettcha]

As bad as those Jersey guys are those motherf@%&ing New Yorkers aren't much better!!! Tell them to go back to their exit!!

One thing I learned from racing MX and other forms of 2 wheel events. You will win when you do but it is how you lose. If you're a Karen protesting every loss you will not be in a good situation no matter how many times you win! If you talk down to someone his father may have just sold his company for 4 billion last month and guess what he has enough FU money to FU really good.
CHECK YOUR EGO

 

[b2lee]

i used to put on a red vest and walk around Target giving bad advice.

The first non-employee to win Employee of the Month....4 times in a row.

 

[Newbie2020]

Thanks @timintx

 

[Gil P.]

And the worst are the New Jersey shooters.

I thought he was taking about shooters in New Jersey for a little lol.

 

[Ravenworks]

Be shamed!

I would have gone with team that wears the Blue Vest with the cute little smiley face at least you had a chance of getting laid


Theis, I'm going to say two words just because I don't feel like devoting and more resources towards the matter.

JEALOUSY and EGO done.
Go have a beer my man.

 

[Ankeny]

I have met some interesting jersey shooters. I once met an entire team of oriental shooters at a Glock match in Colorado. In large bold print on the back of their jerseys: "Team Wi-Suk".

 

[Jamie C]

Hi, (Industry Flame Suit On)

OK so I am giving advance notice, lol....This thread is a personal/business rant. I intend to point no direct fingers at anyone/any company/etc etc but more of a generalized topic in which maybe, just maybe some conversations will sprout from in that can improve the very subject of this rant.

Jersey Shooters....speaking specifically to ELR genre Jersey Shooters!!!

I just do not get the how and why some of you must act so superior to non Jersey Shooters.
I just do not get the how and why some of you feel the need to assert your knowledge of "what counts and what doesn't count" yet you break safety procedures left and right.
I just do not get the how and why some of you feel as if someone that is not wearing a Jersey somehow is not affiliated and directly connected to not only the ELR shooting genre but to the firearms industry directly.
I just do not get the how and why some of you feel as if a Jersey somehow gives you the right to not be an ambassador to the ELR community; as if the sponsor(s) on your Jersey run the community.
I just do not get the how and why some of you feel as if you should not be concerned as much about the projection of the company names on your Jersey as you are concerned about match placement.

Company Owners aka Sponsors....

Let us be real for a minute, sponsoring a shooter, especially in the ELR genre has pretty much a zero ROI. It is a cost center allocated in your marketing budget, not a revenue generator because the community itself is not large enough in the scheme of things to provide a return on that sponsorship package.
So why in the world would companies allow their sponsored shooters to do anything that hinders the growth of the community?
So why in the world would companies allow their sponsored shooters to do anything that hinders the possibility of other companies joining with yours as a more synergistic sponsorship?
So why in the world are companies not demanding better brand ambassadorship from their shooters wearing Jerseys with their name on it? Every other industry sponsorship packages line that sort of thing out sentence by sentence.

Shooters In General...

You NEVER know who that non jersey wearing person is at the match.
They could be social media managers from a company looking for people to sponsor.
They could be the accounting managers from a company looking for people to sponsor.
They could be the wife of another shooter that is just trying to get his wife more involved aka GROWING the community.

Summation...
NOBODY is shooting PRS and/or ELR competitions for a living, no matter how many names you have on your Jersey; so maybe the industry would grow better IF more people focused on Ambassadorship instead of chasing sponsorship.
The sponsorship's will come to you IF you have the personality and attitude companies seek for their "In House" employees.

Sincerely,
Theis

I appreciate this post in so many ways. I am a woman who has attended many tournaments as a spotter, participant, and gear carrier. Before I go on, I want to note that a great majority of the people I have met are fantastic people. I have had people let me use their equipment because I was struggling with mine , etc. One of my favorite things about going with my husband to these tournaments is meeting people and watching everything. However, there are always a few bad eggs. Recently, I attended an ELR tournament. To be honest, I was attending only to observe, and carry gear, etc. I’ve only made impact at 600 yards before. I’ve only shot suppressed rifles. I’m actually very intimidated by barbaric muzzle brakes for reasons that can be another rant on another day. My husband brought along our 284 Shehane with my handy dandy suppressor. Yeah, it didn’t cooperate. I think it might have been a sabotage actually. To make a long story short. I went along to the tournament anyways knowing I wasn’t going to participate (I was relieved actually because I thought there was no freaking way I could even hit the first target ). We get there, my friend pulled out a second rifle with a brake, ammo, and a bag. He said “here you go.” So I guess I’m a participant now. Next, all of these people arrive in fancy trucks displaying their company names. They get out with fancy jerseys. They kind of reminded me of bikers but with less tight clothes. So we begin. It was AWESOME!!! I’m hooked. I hit a few targets. I made impact at two thousand, two hundred and freaking three yards. Then, as things were wrapping up and everyone was getting less serious and more chatty, a fella, made a loud remark as I was setting up for my final stage. “If you borrow someone’s ammo, and you borrow someone’s gun, and you cant calculate your own dope, it doesn’t count.” He wasn’t speaking directly to me, in fact he was telling others how he almost got beat by a woman. He might not even had known that I borrowed all of those thing. By the way, I can calculate my own dope, but my friend already had it set up. I’m a teacher and I can take a lot of crap from high schoolers who think they are so cool. I was furious, but calmly finished my last stage. I was wearing my family’s company shirt randomly, they do not sponsor shooters, etc. I went through various scenarios in my mind of how I can handle this. It went from politely telling him that my impacts count, to throat chopping him. I ended up sucking it up, why should I let someone who must be overcompensating for something get to me. Also, I was wearing my company shirt, I didn’t want to be known as the lady from that company who throat chopped someone. Ha! The point is, that moment sucked. My kids try my friends gear, and if they were on that firing line and hear that jersey shooter say that, they might never want to come back. In the end, I messaged the big boys and put an order in for a “big gun.” I may need to get a third job and lay off the purchasing of athletic wear for a while, but I’ll be back and will humbly do better.

 

[lash]

I appreciate this post in so many ways. I am a woman who has attended many tournaments as a spotter, participant, and gear carrier. Before I go on, I want to note that a great majority of the people I have met are fantastic people. I have had people let me use their equipment because I was struggling with mine , etc. One of my favorite things about going with my husband to these tournaments is meeting people and watching everything. However, there are always a few bad eggs. Recently, I attended an ELR tournament. To be honest, I was attending only to observe, and carry gear, etc. I’ve only made impact at 600 yards before. I’ve only shot suppressed rifles. I’m actually very intimidated by barbaric muzzle brakes for reasons that can be another rant on another day. My husband brought along our 284 Shehane with my handy dandy suppressor. Yeah, it didn’t cooperate. I think it might have been a sabotage actually. To make a long story short. I went along to the tournament anyways knowing I wasn’t going to participate (I was relieved actually because I thought there was no freaking way I could even hit the first target ). We get there, my friend pulled out a second rifle with a brake, ammo, and a bag. He said “here you go.” So I guess I’m a participant now. Next, all of these people arrive in fancy trucks displaying their company names. They get out with fancy jerseys. They kind of reminded me of bikers but with less tight clothes. So we begin. It was AWESOME!!! I’m hooked. I hit a few targets. I made impact at two thousand, two hundred and freaking three yards. Then, as things were wrapping up and everyone was getting less serious and more chatty, a fella, made a loud remark as I was setting up for my final stage. “If you borrow someone’s ammo, and you borrow someone’s gun, and you cant calculate your own dope, it doesn’t count.” He wasn’t speaking directly to me, in fact he was telling others how he almost got beat by a woman. He might not even had known that I borrowed all of those thing. By the way, I can calculate my own dope, but my friend already had it set up. I’m a teacher and I can take a lot of crap from high schoolers who think they are so cool. I was furious, but calmly finished my last stage. I was wearing my family’s company shirt randomly, they do not sponsor shooters, etc. I went through various scenarios in my mind of how I can handle this. It went from politely telling him that my impacts count, to throat chopping him. I ended up sucking it up, why should I let someone who must be overcompensating for something get to me. Also, I was wearing my company shirt, I didn’t want to be known as the lady from that company who throat chopped someone. Ha! The point is, that moment sucked. My kids try my friends gear, and if they were on that firing line and hear that jersey shooter say that, they might never want to come back. In the end, I messaged the big boys and put an order in for a “big gun.” I may need to get a third job and lay off the purchasing of athletic wear for a while, but I’ll be back and will humbly do better.

Reading this made me angry. There is no doubt that you were hearing from a sore loser with a low opinion of himself. On the other hand, you handled it exactly how you should have and let the scores speak for you.

 

[Nik H]

I appreciate this post in so many ways. I am a woman who has attended many tournaments as a spotter, participant, and gear carrier. Before I go on, I want to note that a great majority of the people I have met are fantastic people. I have had people let me use their equipment because I was struggling with mine , etc. One of my favorite things about going with my husband to these tournaments is meeting people and watching everything. However, there are always a few bad eggs. Recently, I attended an ELR tournament. To be honest, I was attending only to observe, and carry gear, etc. I’ve only made impact at 600 yards before. I’ve only shot suppressed rifles. I’m actually very intimidated by barbaric muzzle brakes for reasons that can be another rant on another day. My husband brought along our 284 Shehane with my handy dandy suppressor. Yeah, it didn’t cooperate. I think it might have been a sabotage actually. To make a long story short. I went along to the tournament anyways knowing I wasn’t going to participate (I was relieved actually because I thought there was no freaking way I could even hit the first target ). We get there, my friend pulled out a second rifle with a brake, ammo, and a bag. He said “here you go.” So I guess I’m a participant now. Next, all of these people arrive in fancy trucks displaying their company names. They get out with fancy jerseys. They kind of reminded me of bikers but with less tight clothes. So we begin. It was AWESOME!!! I’m hooked. I hit a few targets. I made impact at two thousand, two hundred and freaking three yards. Then, as things were wrapping up and everyone was getting less serious and more chatty, a fella, made a loud remark as I was setting up for my final stage. “If you borrow someone’s ammo, and you borrow someone’s gun, and you cant calculate your own dope, it doesn’t count.” He wasn’t speaking directly to me, in fact he was telling others how he almost got beat by a woman. He might not even had known that I borrowed all of those thing. By the way, I can calculate my own dope, but my friend already had it set up. I’m a teacher and I can take a lot of crap from high schoolers who think they are so cool. I was furious, but calmly finished my last stage. I was wearing my family’s company shirt randomly, they do not sponsor shooters, etc. I went through various scenarios in my mind of how I can handle this. It went from politely telling him that my impacts count, to throat chopping him. I ended up sucking it up, why should I let someone who must be overcompensating for something get to me. Also, I was wearing my company shirt, I didn’t want to be known as the lady from that company who throat chopped someone. Ha! The point is, that moment sucked. My kids try my friends gear, and if they were on that firing line and hear that jersey shooter say that, they might never want to come back. In the end, I messaged the big boys and put an order in for a “big gun.” I may need to get a third job and lay off the purchasing of athletic wear for a while, but I’ll be back and will humbly do better.

You handled it properly unlike me who would have confronted him and then used his pathetic body to wipe off the soles of my shoes

 

[Gil P.]

I appreciate this post in so many ways. I am a woman who has attended many tournaments as a spotter, participant, and gear carrier. Before I go on, I want to note that a great majority of the people I have met are fantastic people. I have had people let me use their equipment because I was struggling with mine , etc. One of my favorite things about going with my husband to these tournaments is meeting people and watching everything. However, there are always a few bad eggs. Recently, I attended an ELR tournament. To be honest, I was attending only to observe, and carry gear, etc. I’ve only made impact at 600 yards before. I’ve only shot suppressed rifles. I’m actually very intimidated by barbaric muzzle brakes for reasons that can be another rant on another day. My husband brought along our 284 Shehane with my handy dandy suppressor. Yeah, it didn’t cooperate. I think it might have been a sabotage actually. To make a long story short. I went along to the tournament anyways knowing I wasn’t going to participate (I was relieved actually because I thought there was no freaking way I could even hit the first target ). We get there, my friend pulled out a second rifle with a brake, ammo, and a bag. He said “here you go.” So I guess I’m a participant now. Next, all of these people arrive in fancy trucks displaying their company names. They get out with fancy jerseys. They kind of reminded me of bikers but with less tight clothes. So we begin. It was AWESOME!!! I’m hooked. I hit a few targets. I made impact at two thousand, two hundred and freaking three yards. Then, as things were wrapping up and everyone was getting less serious and more chatty, a fella, made a loud remark as I was setting up for my final stage. “If you borrow someone’s ammo, and you borrow someone’s gun, and you cant calculate your own dope, it doesn’t count.” He wasn’t speaking directly to me, in fact he was telling others how he almost got beat by a woman. He might not even had known that I borrowed all of those thing. By the way, I can calculate my own dope, but my friend already had it set up. I’m a teacher and I can take a lot of crap from high schoolers who think they are so cool. I was furious, but calmly finished my last stage. I was wearing my family’s company shirt randomly, they do not sponsor shooters, etc. I went through various scenarios in my mind of how I can handle this. It went from politely telling him that my impacts count, to throat chopping him. I ended up sucking it up, why should I let someone who must be overcompensating for something get to me. Also, I was wearing my company shirt, I didn’t want to be known as the lady from that company who throat chopped someone. Ha! The point is, that moment sucked. My kids try my friends gear, and if they were on that firing line and hear that jersey shooter say that, they might never want to come back. In the end, I messaged the big boys and put an order in for a “big gun.” I may need to get a third job and lay off the purchasing of athletic wear for a while, but I’ll be back and will humbly do better.

Some people think that the works revolves around them. Some people never grow up.

 

[LawnMM]

I don't like calling them Jerseys, I prefer a different term...

 

[b2lee]

I guess this is as good a thread as any.....please...for the love of all that is holy....please don't talk shit about a shooter when he/she is shooting....We ALL have powered hearing protection and it is cranked up to hear commands...we can hear your under the breath shit talking about us when you think it is too noisey that we can't. If you whine and complain and talk shit.....fully expect the barrage of verbal assault coming your way after time is called on the line.

I for one let it go and let my shooting stand on its on....but if you do that...to the wrong person...on the wrong day...fully expect to get a verbal smack down in front of your 'friends'.

 

[Steel head]

I appreciate this post in so many ways. I am a woman who has attended many tournaments as a spotter, participant, and gear carrier. Before I go on, I want to note that a great majority of the people I have met are fantastic people. I have had people let me use their equipment because I was struggling with mine , etc. One of my favorite things about going with my husband to these tournaments is meeting people and watching everything. However, there are always a few bad eggs. Recently, I attended an ELR tournament. To be honest, I was attending only to observe, and carry gear, etc. I’ve only made impact at 600 yards before. I’ve only shot suppressed rifles. I’m actually very intimidated by barbaric muzzle brakes for reasons that can be another rant on another day. My husband brought along our 284 Shehane with my handy dandy suppressor. Yeah, it didn’t cooperate. I think it might have been a sabotage actually. To make a long story short. I went along to the tournament anyways knowing I wasn’t going to participate (I was relieved actually because I thought there was no freaking way I could even hit the first target ). We get there, my friend pulled out a second rifle with a brake, ammo, and a bag. He said “here you go.” So I guess I’m a participant now. Next, all of these people arrive in fancy trucks displaying their company names. They get out with fancy jerseys. They kind of reminded me of bikers but with less tight clothes. So we begin. It was AWESOME!!! I’m hooked. I hit a few targets. I made impact at two thousand, two hundred and freaking three yards. Then, as things were wrapping up and everyone was getting less serious and more chatty, a fella, made a loud remark as I was setting up for my final stage. “If you borrow someone’s ammo, and you borrow someone’s gun, and you cant calculate your own dope, it doesn’t count.” He wasn’t speaking directly to me, in fact he was telling others how he almost got beat by a woman. He might not even had known that I borrowed all of those thing. By the way, I can calculate my own dope, but my friend already had it set up. I’m a teacher and I can take a lot of crap from high schoolers who think they are so cool. I was furious, but calmly finished my last stage. I was wearing my family’s company shirt randomly, they do not sponsor shooters, etc. I went through various scenarios in my mind of how I can handle this. It went from politely telling him that my impacts count, to throat chopping him. I ended up sucking it up, why should I let someone who must be overcompensating for something get to me. Also, I was wearing my company shirt, I didn’t want to be known as the lady from that company who throat chopped someone. Ha! The point is, that moment sucked. My kids try my friends gear, and if they were on that firing line and hear that jersey shooter say that, they might never want to come back. In the end, I messaged the big boys and put an order in for a “big gun.” I may need to get a third job and lay off the purchasing of athletic wear for a while, but I’ll be back and will humbly do better.

That dude is an ass hat.
No you didn’t load the ammo, build the rifle, or develop the dope but they didn’t make the hit, the trigger puller did!

 

[kthomas]

More then a few "jersey shooters" seem to completely lose sight of the fact that this is a HOBBY.

I don't think there's a single jersey wearing sumbitch in ELR or PRS that makes 100% of their income from shooting matches - by definition no one is a professional in this sport, it's a grassroots hobby with a relatively small number of participants.

What disappoints me is the attitude of some. Some feel entitled and that they are the absolute authority on the sport, no other HOBBYIST can know as much as them if they aren't wearing a jersey.

It's a big time ego thing, and social media like FB makes it worse. And speaking of social media, I don't know how sponsors put up with their pandering hollow shell of endorsements. "Thanks Brand 'X' for this action, couldn't have done it without this action - best action on the planet. This rifle spun up by 'Y' absolutely HAMMERS, blah, blah, blah". Then the very next year they run off to action Brand 'Z', making the exact same statements. Really makes their endorsement meaningless. And I'm not sure when such a crude tool like a hammer became synonymous with precision.

Anyways, just my 0.02. There's lots of great people in the game, but there certainly is a lot of ego. Jerseys seem to inflate some egos, and social media makes some people's voices a lot louder then they should be.

 

[b2lee]

That dude is an ass hat.
No you didn’t load the ammo, build the rifle, or develop the dope but they didn’t make the hit, the trigger puller did!

And on that note.... 'They' didn't build their rifle....their gunsmith did.....some even shoot factory ammo....so they didn't do that....and when it comes to dope...they are relying on a kestrel with built in AB...tied to a range finder.....that calculates everything for them. Then simply take the output of the computer supplied dope and dial or hold over to that in their scope......so exactly what magical thing did they do in the process that you didn't?

I'd rather be beaten by a girl than by a mouth breathing neanderthal. I guess I need to read up more....because I can't seem to understand exactly what part of shooting is better for man than a woman? Physical strength? Nope....Mental acuity? You are kidding right? Trigger finger dexterity? Really? Eyesight? Come on. I think it all just boils down to sheer numbers. There are a lot lot more of us than them...and some of us were raised early on to hunt and shoot....but I've met a country girl or two that can definitely out shoot me.

Would I be embarrassed to be beaten in an ELR match by a 12 year old girl with pony tails and smacking gum? No...I'd be in awe of someone with those skills at such an early age...and congratulate them on a well earned win.

 

[kthomas]

That dude is an ass hat.
No you didn’t load the ammo, build the rifle, or develop the dope but they didn’t make the hit, the trigger puller did!

At the day that's what really counts. Last I checked the score card didn't carry points for loading your own ammo or how you calculate dope.

Great shooting @Jamie C! And part of me really wished you did do a throat chop

 

[kthomas]

Can I be on team Hoplite?
I have championship levels of asshole capabilities.

Haha, I actually had a thought the other day that Snipershide should make an ELR team with a partnership with @THEIS's Hoplite brand.

It would be cool to have a SH ELR team. A team of cool dudes with a no fucks given attitude, with a focus of good marksmanship through fundamentals.

I think the ELR world needs this...

 

[THEIS]

Hi,

Hmmmm and look what just came available.......

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Would make a good Hoplite Arms match rig, lol

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[GIXXER2000]

Count me in!!!

 

[BrienM]

I work for a living... I shoot for fun.. whatever I can do to have more fun and enjoy the impacts I get, contain myself and laugh when I do something silly and hopefully keep getting better. I love the smell of powder burning and the sound of steel ringing in the distance.. I have been around all forms of life in a few different shooting genres.. there will always be a few "jocks" around but i'll try and stay away from them.. Met LOTS of great people, just try and ignore the arrogant ones and keep trying to have fun without causing division in the shooting community.. If they divide us, we're in trouble... Keep it fun!!!
Brien

 

[THEIS]

Then, as things were wrapping up and everyone was getting less serious and more chatty, a fella, made a loud remark as I was setting up for my final stage. “If you borrow someone’s ammo, and you borrow someone’s gun, and you cant calculate your own dope, it doesn’t count.”

Hi,

I hope he remembers that and tells everyone else on their KO2M Team that there will be no coaching, no spotting, no helping get rifle setup, etc etc of any kind.

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[ClamHammer747]

Haha, I actually had a thought the other day that Snipershide should make an ELR team with a partnership with @THEIS's Hoplite brand.

It would be cool to have a SH ELR team. A team of cool dudes with a no fucks given attitude, with a focus of good marksmanship through fundamentals.

I think the ELR world needs this...

nothing attracts sponsors like dudes who want free shit and have no aspirations of winning

 

[Steel head]

nothing attracts sponsors like dudes who want free shit and have no aspirations of winning

 

[Gatorshark]

Haha, I actually had a thought the other day that Snipershide should make an ELR team with a partnership with @THEIS's Hoplite brand.

It would be cool to have a SH ELR team. A team of cool dudes with a no fucks given attitude, with a focus of good marksmanship through fundamentals.

I think the ELR world needs this...

With ALOHA combat shirts....

 

[1moaoff]

@THEIS

My guess is that is because alot of guys are sponsoring friends or themselves.

Or that's the mentality that has persisted.

Alot of guys wear jerseys but very very few are true professional's meaning that make their true living from shooting.

The only career shooter I remeber seeing on a line last year was Koenig.
He was quiet but friendly and very respectful.

 

[Jamie C]

Hi,

Hmmmm and look what just came available.......

Textron Defense | eBay

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Textron Defense at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products!

www.ebay.com

Would make a good Hoplite Arms match rig, lol

Sincerely,
Theis

I’ll drive!