Reagan's Star wars

[FS1]

Anyone remember Star Wars? Direct energy weapons (particle beam). Do you think the US (Space Force) has such weapons? They talked about them a bit in the eighties but soon they went off the radar.

If they exist? Could they neutralize a Nuke or maybe an enemy Command and Control center. How about individuals, could they target people? Anyone have any info that they may exist? Likely a dumb question because it would be a pretty big secret.

Discuss?

 

[GBMaryland]

Yeah I worked on that project....

-smile-

No comment

 

[GBMaryland]

Bahahahahahaha (old bastard laughing)

 

[Alphatreedog]

So IIRC by the time you see it It's been in the arsenal for ten to twenty years.
The US was struggling with putting chemically generated lasers in aircraft due to size and weight limitations . It is very feasable that ground 8nstallations have these as well as ships .
The argument that suggests that our inventory is more advanced than we know is aircraft . Our fastest jets go what , mach 3 or so . That was sixties tech . Our tech says that we could build and deploy mach ten easily .

 

[GBMaryland]

Keep in mind that the United States is not the only ones workIng on high powered lasers.... I’m sure a search would show any number of other countries doing the same... and might give you some additional information

 

[GBMaryland]

So IIRC by the time you see it It's been in the arsenal for ten to twenty years.
The US was struggling with putting chemically generated lasers in aircraft due to size and weight limitations . It is very feasable that ground 8nstallations have these as well as ships .
The argument that suggests that our inventory is more advanced than we know is aircraft . Our fastest jets go what , mach 3 or so . That was sixties tech . Our tech says that we could build and deploy mach ten easily .

So yeah, we could do mach 10 aircraft, the problem really is the high-performance materials and the maintenance of such makes it infeasible to use them as daily drivers.

 

[FS1]

So yeah, we could do mack 10 aircraft, the problem really is the high-performance materials and the maintenance of such makes it infeasible to use them as daily drivers.

They would need new materials. Like when the SR-71 was made of titanium, Russian titanium. It was used because it could take the heat. The air frame expanded a lot as it heated up from friction. It also had engines designed to by-pass the compressor section at Mach speeds. I don't know if its true, but I was told the plane leaked fuel on the ground and would until it was airborne and expanded. They would refuel in the air after that occurred.

 

[GBMaryland]

I’m extremely familiar with the A-12/SR-71.

It is much more likely that we would use a titanium frame with some sort of carbon fiber ceramic skin... The issue would be whether any of our stealth coatings would survive well at high temperature, and well there’s so many other issues it’s not even funny too.

It would probably be cheaper to create hypersonic glide vehicles with conventional munitions then it would be to invest in that kind of program

 

[brianf]

If they don’t have them they are working top speed.
Issues with hitting icbms is the need to hit in the ascent phase.
The multi reentry vehicle warheads used have several decoys making targeting a “mess”.
With current ground based lasers able to use infinite size and mass/not having to be lifted into orbit, and those having a hard time in tests (what we see in public) I’m doubting that tech is primary.
My gut says more of a shotgun approach to slightly disturb flight path or cause minor skin issues and letting the atmosphere dye the rest.

But others prob know a lot more than me

 

[pmclaine]

Making them autonomous makes that speed possible.

Than you have to overcome the materials issue.

This man is sad......

Redirect Notice

So am I.

 

[Maggot]

 

[FS1]

I would think you would need a large energy source, that could sustain a electro-magnetic force field of some sort shielding the aircraft. Thus preventing all the obvious issues. Do we have such an energy source?

 

[brianf]

The force field approach...

Several years ago ..prob 10 by now I saw a video of a Israel tank stopping a incoming RPG with what looked like a force field.

Has anyone heard more about it?

 

[Srgt. Hulka]

They would need new materials. Like when the SR-71 was made of titanium, Russian titanium. It was used because it could take the heat. The air frame expanded a lot as it heated up from friction. It also had engines designed to by-pass the compressor section at Mach speeds. I don't know if its true, but I was told the plane leaked fuel on the ground and would until it was airborne and expanded. They would refuel in the air after that occurred.

I used to work with a former SR-71 aircraft mechanic. He told me the exact same thing.

 

[seanh]

Anyone remember Star Wars? Direct energy weapons (particle beam). Do you think the US (Space Force) has such weapons? They talked about them a bit in the eighties but soon they went off the radar.

If they exist? Could they neutralize a Nuke or maybe an enemy Command and Control center. How about individuals, could they target people? Anyone have any info that they may exist? Likely a dumb question because it would be a pretty big secret.

Discuss?

Yes, we have those type of weapons. Particle beam, coherent laser, Hunter satellite, inertial impact weapons, scholar wave interferometer (both endothermic and exothermic), hunter killer satellites, basically, if you seen it on Star Trek, Star Wars Etc been there done that.

As for website type documentation, very difficult to find. Of course there's nothing official do to the level of classification. Some stuff is come out leaked excetera butt it tends to be housed in conspiracy theory sites nobody listens to

 

[seanh]

Oh, and that sr-72... I know for a fact it's been flying since the mid-90s under the name of Aurora.

Regarding materials? We've got everything necessary to deal with heat and stress issues. And besides, when you get to electric and field propulsion type stuff you don't need those materials.

 

[BAMCIS]

Was just thinking of old military tech...
Neutron bomb,,who remembers

 

[seanh]

I would think you would need a large energy source, that could sustain a electro-magnetic force field of some sort shielding the aircraft. Thus preventing all the obvious issues. Do we have such an energy source?

Yes, we have those power sources. How about gigawatt power source the size of a briefcase.

 

[rjacobs]

There are a few things that happen when you get to hypersonic(mach 5+) that make continuous flight at those speeds problematic. I believe propulsion is one of those issues that we are still working through. Most hypersonics have been/are rocket powered so short flights only. Ram jet's are where everything is looking now, but I am sure there are other technologies out there being employed.

The next is "what purpose" does being able to fly at Mach 5+ do for us? Surveilance? Yea, just run a satellite over the area(I guarantee we have a satellite parked in geosynchronous orbit over EVERY hot spot country in the world for most likely live surveilance). I am sure the camera technology could be done to record at those speeds at lower altitudes, but it seems crazy.

To me, the "what purpose" argument is probably the most persuasive of WHY we have or have not done hypersonic flight more than we have. I think there are other technologies out there for surveilance that are better, cheaper, already in existence, doesnt put a man at risk, etc...

 

[FS1]

"What purpose", you would have little need for foreign bases if you could get anywhere in an hour or less. That means more security/safety for the equipment/personnel.

 

[spelled right]

More than likely such a device was put to use on 9/11.

Power source ...zero point energy.

 

[Bender]

I just saw a ship born laser in the news recently. I forgot where.

 

[Bender]

More than likely such a device was put to use on 9/11.

Power source ...zero point energy.

Facepalm.....

 

[Bender]

USS Portland

 

[Blue Sky Country]

"Energy" weapons already existed for quite a long time... Since the late 19th century when magnetrons and X-ray diodes came into existence. These things can be weaponized into nasty shit quite easily, but the fragility of their components and the large sources of power needed to operate them limited their proliferation in any theater of combat. Currently, there are already a number of YouTube garage tinklers who have built infrared and blue lasers capable of cutting blocks of wood at 100+ yards. There is one guy who even rigged up a "Death Star" type device where 7 or 8 blue lasers were focused by lenses into a single beam. Cool shit. One microsecond hit in the eyes with these things and it is over. Say goodbye to your vision, permanently.

And THIS is very likely the manifestation of the early stages of man portable direct energy weapons. A laser unit packed into a rifle-like chassis and used to target an opponent's eyes. I think being permanently blinded is far more terrifying than any prospect of being wounded or even killed with conventional projectile weapons.

 

[THEIS]

Hi,

LOLOL funny I was just talking about a marketing campaign for Space Force stuff.

Think I am going to start placing weapons caches in space for when needed.

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[Spblademaker]

I lost all my guns in a space craft accident.

 

[Rthur]

Have an early buy in on this rifle:

R

 

[Blue Sky Country]

I lost all my guns in a space craft accident.

One downside to claiming that all of your disruptors and particle rifles had been lost in a tragic space yacht accident is that unlike in water, shipwrecks in space do not sink... They will still be there, floating around, accessible to all. You will have to claim that everything had been vaporized in a cataclysmic thermal event, or a miscalculation while in the gravity well of a gas giant...

 

[Spblademaker]

Well they were burned up reentering the atmosphere

 

[vh20]

They would need new materials. Like when the SR-71 was made of titanium, Russian titanium. It was used because it could take the heat. The air frame expanded a lot as it heated up from friction. It also had engines designed to by-pass the compressor section at Mach speeds. I don't know if its true, but I was told the plane leaked fuel on the ground and would until it was airborne and expanded. They would refuel in the air after that occurred.

Yes, it's true. There are lots of pics around of them sitting on the ground with pools of fuel under them, also in-flight pics taken where you can see the joint seams are still wet. This is ONE reason that they refueled immediately after takeoff. Another reason is that it didn't perform well at low (takeoff/approach) speeds, so it took off with a light fuel load. Also, it had fairly lightweight landing gear, so a reduced fuel load put less stress on the gear.

 

[FS1]

Hi,

LOLOL funny I was just talking about a marketing campaign for Space Force stuff.

Think I am going to start placing weapons caches in space for when needed.

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Sincerely,
Theis

If you ever decide to run a special on Photon Torpedoes, tag me before you are out of stock.

 

[Mike_Honcho]

Yeah I worked on that project....

-smile-

No comment

I’m extremely familiar with the A-12/SR-71.

It is much more likely that we would use a titanium frame with some sort of carbon fiber ceramic skin... The issue would be whether any of our stealth coatings would survive well at high temperature, and well there’s so many other issues it’s not even funny too.

It would probably be cheaper to create hypersonic glide vehicles with conventional munitions then it would be to invest in that kind of program

How are Lasers used vs Rods of god?

Were RoG's an interim step?

 

[Powder_Burns]

 

[lts1ow]

Not sure if space force is air force, but AFRL has been working on air borne laser systems for quite some time.

https://www.kirtland.af.mil/Portals/52/documents/LaserSystems.pdf

 

[Mike Casselton]

Well they were burned up reentering the atmosphere

Just make sure you tell them all of it was inside a travel pod and the pod burned up or accidentally jettisoned during reentry.

 

[Mike Casselton]

Yes, it's true. There are lots of pics around of them sitting on the ground with pools of fuel under them, also in-flight pics taken where you can see the joint seams are still wet. This is ONE reason that they refueled immediately after takeoff. Another reason is that it didn't perform well at low (takeoff/approach) speeds, so it took off with a light fuel load. Also, it had fairly lightweight landing gear, so a reduced fuel load put less stress on the gear.

Trivia item re: the SR-71.

The fuel used in the SR was JP-7 not the normal JP-4 and 5. (JP-8 is used now because it also works as diesel fuel for vehicles)
JP-7 was a liquid gel-type of fuel carried by specially modified KC and EC-135 aircraft.

The fuel could not be used by other aircraft, so it was isolated in the tanker, to the forward, aft and upper deck fuselage fuel cells via manifolds and extra fuel lines.

 

[GBMaryland]

"Energy" weapons already existed for quite a long time... Since the late 19th century when magnetrons and X-ray diodes came into existence. These things can be weaponized into nasty shit quite easily, but the fragility of their components and the large sources of power needed to operate them limited their proliferation in any theater of combat. Currently, there are already a number of YouTube garage tinklers who have built infrared and blue lasers capable of cutting blocks of wood at 100+ yards. There is one guy who even rigged up a "Death Star" type device where 7 or 8 blue lasers were focused by lenses into a single beam. Cool shit. One microsecond hit in the eyes with these things and it is over. Say goodbye to your vision, permanently.

And THIS is very likely the manifestation of the early stages of man portable direct energy weapons. A laser unit packed into a rifle-like chassis and used to target an opponent's eyes. I think being permanently blinded is far more terrifying than any prospect of being wounded or even killed with conventional projectile weapons.

The Soviets used to field something like that during the cold war

 

[theLBC]

before i graduated, i worked for a graphics company that put together the slides and graphs for presentations on the project (among others).
this was old school coding and cut and pasting, before desktop computers and publishing software, lol.
people would type font and symbol codes <> along with text into a terminal, and some phototype "fancy" printer would output the text all nice.
then somebody would coat the back with wax, cut out the lines of text with an exacto knife, and press the pieces into another full sheet in the proper locations based on a layout template for that particular project (mostly DoD).
then they would photocopy that to make the final page.

 

[E-Tool]

Speaking of energy weapons I recall a few mystery articles about personnel work at the Cuban embassy becoming suddenly ill, I think some went blind while others were just nauseated. Always thought ultrasonics may be imvolved. Folks were afflicted both at work and at home.

 

[theLBC]

before i graduated, i worked for a graphics company...

on a tangent, that company also designed the packaging and user manual for the original slim jim tool, so i learned how to beak into cars, lol.

 

[Ken Burton]

Here in SD, the pilots of the B-1 say they can lose the fighter escort they have if they kick it into overdrive

 

[Mike Casselton]

Here in SD, the pilots of the B-1 say they can lose the fighter escort they have if they kick it into overdrive

Worked that aircraft for 17 years. Lots of truth to that ^^^ statement.

 

[acudaowner]

would have been great for nighttime pick me up just look up and look at all the pretty lights while listening to some Floyd . It should have been so groovy man ...
coming to a night sky above you soon

 

[GBMaryland]

Worked that aircraft for 17 years. Lots of truth to that ^^^ statement.

Considering it can hold twice the payload of a B-52.....

 

[Son of Dorn]

Yes, we have those type of weapons. Particle beam, coherent laser, Hunter satellite, inertial impact weapons, scholar wave interferometer (both endothermic and exothermic), hunter killer satellites, basically, if you seen it on Star Trek, Star Wars Etc been there done that.

As for website type documentation, very difficult to find. Of course there's nothing official do to the level of classification. Some stuff is come out leaked excetera butt it tends to be housed in conspiracy theory sites nobody listens to

Personally I like the kinetic bombardment idea, a la Project Thor. A massive tungsten spike propelled from orbit in such a manner that it reaches terminal velocity just before impact. No explosives, no fancy energy requirements, no nothing but a satellite platform and a huge piece of tungsten that slams into the Earth, obliterating whatever it hits with impact shock and heat and penetration. It has its downsides but still, it's a really interesting idea.

 

[seanh]

Not just an idea, we actually have it up there