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#8
I screwed up when I could have gotten an AMSEC...cheap. was like a 3 year old model being sold new. Didn't have the kind of loot needed at that time; but if I come across another deal like I had, I won't hesitate pulling the trigger.
 
#13
bab029 said:
Would yall go electronic or traditional combo lock.

Obviously, I'm worried about failures to electronic locks...
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Mechanical all day erryday . I've been salivating over some used jewelers safes on craigslist. TL15 and TL30's pop up occasionally. You gotta be able to research, and build an interior rack system. But AmSec and Brown Safes make TL rated safes and weapon storage

 
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#14
Who exactly is breaking into you houses? If you own >$100,000 worth of firearms and accessories, I would also assume you can move to a place with low crime and low population density. Then you can build a walk in vault and seal it with a vault door. Then get some dogs, auto-lights, alarm system, cameras, a locking gate, and a few pies to give to your neighbors and make friends. If you need to show off something big and heavy, just take your wife out to dinner once in a while, we all know she can put it away. Shit, I bet you boomers store your sawzalls, torches and death wheels right next to your safe too.
 
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Actual, quality brand 'mechanical locks' are the bestest/safest/truest for longevity. Competent locksmiths setting them up will last decades, minimum.

A test that you can do on your own, is to dial your combo in with 1/2 digit forward, and then again 1/2 digit back.... and there should be no difference. This will ensure that there's no 'slippage' or 'movement' in the dials. Which REALLY isn't easy to get/do, but it 'can' happen. Unlike electronicals, where they just 'up and quit' then you're hooped and looking at damages/problems.

Plenty of links out there, of people complaining about 'electronicals'.
 
#18
If you're going to do the vault or a massive AMSEC (or like) and you're doing a spin dial or keypad, you need to think bigger!!! Get yourself a KABA-MAS X-10 (or whatever style you need for your door)!!! Then you'll be right up there with the big boys in National Security. They're not that expensive if you're chunking out 10K for a safe - and they're pretty damn cool to boot. PS...if you get a used one (X-07 or so...spend the extra cash and get the one that lights up)...Just sayin. ?

www.dormakaba.com

X-10 High-Security Lock

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#19
Hippy_Steve said:
Who exactly is breaking into you houses? If you own >$100,000 worth of firearms and accessories, I would also assume you can move to a place with low crime and low population density. Then you can build a walk in vault and seal it with a vault door. Then get some dogs, auto-lights, alarm system, cameras, a locking gate, and a few pies to give to your neighbors and make friends. If you need to show off something big and heavy, just take your wife out to dinner once in a while, we all know she can put it away. Shit, I bet you boomers store your sawzalls, torches and death wheels right next to your safe too.
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No shit...... OR, guess I'm just a poor.....Also guess the hundreds of shooters I know are poors....
 
#20
BytorJr said:
If you're going to do the vault or a massive AMSEC (or like) and you're doing a spin dial or keypad, you need to think bigger!!! Get yourself a KABA-MAS X-10 (or whatever style you need for your door)!!! Then you'll be right up there with the big boys in National Security. They're not that expensive if you're chunking out 10K for a safe - and they're pretty damn cool to boot. PS...if you get a used one (X-07 or so...spend the extra cash and get the one that lights up)...Just sayin. ?

www.dormakaba.com

X-10 High-Security Lock

National Stock Numbers (NSN) Defense Logistics Agency (DLA): 5340-01-625-9851 General Services Agency (GSA): 5340-01-613-2078 Find a Distributor The X-10 was developed as a result of the latest…
www.dormakaba.com www.dormakaba.com
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Thanks I'll look into that!
 
#21
I have an AMSEC that is modified to be overbuilt by Rogue Safes in Southern Oregon. They used to make their Rogue safes in house but now have amsec safes built to their specs. They ship nationwide, check them out.
 
#22
RedBaron said:
Is that safe UL certified? I didn't see it on the website.
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I don’t believe the resistor line of safes went through ul testing. I believe you get the same security as a tl15/30 without the price tag. I would hope one would not just rely on a safe solely for their valuables. Sturdy safes is another great option as they build your safe however you want. There is a whole bunch of torture tests videos on their website.

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#23
Man, some of those safes are bad ass..

A thought though. IMO security is best in layers. And of course location would be a significant factor to ones approach.

Some of these safes are in the 4k-5k price range or much more.

But in some instances, you can put a lot less than that into a pretty kick ass home security system flush with motion sensors, remote cameras, door and window sensors, backup power and communications etc.

Seems that the high end safes hold value pretty well, so a good investment it appears. And of course fire rating is also a factor.

Plus the average theif/tweaker isnt going to be packing in an angle grinder at 2AM. Most likely, they will smash and grab and try to be as quick as possible (location depending).

The more professional intruders are likely more rare.
 
#24
BytorJr said:
If you're going to do the vault or a massive AMSEC (or like) and you're doing a spin dial or keypad, you need to think bigger!!! Get yourself a KABA-MAS X-10 (or whatever style you need for your door)!!! Then you'll be right up there with the big boys in National Security. They're not that expensive if you're chunking out 10K for a safe - and they're pretty damn cool to boot. PS...if you get a used one (X-07 or so...spend the extra cash and get the one that lights up)...Just sayin. ?

www.dormakaba.com

X-10 High-Security Lock

National Stock Numbers (NSN) Defense Logistics Agency (DLA): 5340-01-625-9851 General Services Agency (GSA): 5340-01-613-2078 Find a Distributor The X-10 was developed as a result of the latest…
www.dormakaba.com www.dormakaba.com
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Having used a fair amount of the X-07, 08, 09 locks in my career, I have seen more than one or two fail.
First safe we had to have drilled out was done by an old locksmith on oxygen. He just kept drilling away with those oxygen tubes up his nose, he'd take a break every 15 minutes or so for a smoke break. While still on oxygen. I found something else to do while he was in the shop.
Short story long, the X-series locks aren't all that reliable.
 
#25
Broncovan said:
Having used a fair amount of the X-07, 08, 09 locks in my career, I have seen more than one or two fail.
First safe we had to have drilled out was done by an old locksmith on oxygen. He just kept drilling away with those oxygen tubes up his nose, he'd take a break every 15 minutes or so for a smoke break. While still on oxygen. I found something else to do while he was in the shop.
Short story long, the X-series locks aren't all that reliable.
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Never seen any outright fail; but I know the earlier ones seemed to have issues with the generators and would have to be spun A LOT. Personally, I've seen more spin dials fail (door type); but then again, they were more prevalent than the X-Os. Usually the older spin-dials I saw were poorly maintained so there's always that factor.

So good information to know. What's your opinion on defeat-ability vs an older S&G then? Obviously the gov't made folks start using the X-O's for some reason which hopefully wasn't because Joe-Bob's BIL worked there. :)
 
#27
BytorJr said:
If you're going to do the vault or a massive AMSEC (or like) and you're doing a spin dial or keypad, you need to think bigger!!! Get yourself a KABA-MAS X-10 (or whatever style you need for your door)!!! Then you'll be right up there with the big boys in National Security. They're not that expensive if you're chunking out 10K for a safe - and they're pretty damn cool to boot. PS...if you get a used one (X-07 or so...spend the extra cash and get the one that lights up)...Just sayin. ?

www.dormakaba.com

X-10 High-Security Lock

National Stock Numbers (NSN) Defense Logistics Agency (DLA): 5340-01-625-9851 General Services Agency (GSA): 5340-01-613-2078 Find a Distributor The X-10 was developed as a result of the latest…
www.dormakaba.com www.dormakaba.com
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We have had so many of those locks fail at work its ridiculous. I would say at least 5 or 6 over the last 10 years quit working, which doesn’t even seem possible, but they have.
 
#28
What's failing on them? Is the generator?

I like the "concept" of it as well as the keypad; but my father's safe keypad tried to die on me after dad passed and I was pooping bricks. Fortunately, just the battery but it did go into a weird state the first time the battery went in. I'll live with my S&G old school here :)
 
#30
Another vote for the 'good ol' S&G' here.

Tried and true for many many decades.

I'm not saying that there 'ain't none better', nor am I saying that there 'ain't none expensiver', and I also won't say that there 'ain't some complicateder', but for what they do.... they do it well.
 
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