Real opinions...is the current anti threat real or just to drum up sales?

[SilentStalkr]

So, in you alls opinion, not that any of you plan on complying anyways but is the threat real or is it simply being done to drum up sales in a flailing market under the Trump slump? I mean let’s face it the firearms industry employs roughly 300,000 people, not including ancillary functions. That would be a lot of people out of work if any of this mess goes through. So, what the hell do they plan on doing with those that work in the industry? They all going to need work and a few days ago I hear we are on a world wide recession. Makes one wonder...not trying to sound all conspiratorial but all this crap comes at some interesting times.

 

[Jsp556]

The threat is always there. They’ve openly stated their end goals.

 

[Alabusa]

A conspiracy to buy more guns and ammo.......is @ArmyJerry working behind the scenes of this one???

 

[Mwalex]

The liberals/communists always want to take guns and squelch the 2A. As soon as the 2A is gone then many will follow. I think the threat is real but, of course, people will take advantage to make money.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Never let a crisis go to waste, as in confusion there is opportunity,...

 

[theLBC]

i think it is doing both now. some won't buy because they fear they won't get to keep it, or won't be compensated.
and it isn't just guns, but everything else that is related to the sport.
should i spend $2k on a new scope for a rifle they might confiscate?

 

[Maggot]

i think it is doing both now. some won't buy because they fear they won't get to keep it, or won't be compensated.
and it isn't just guns, but everything else that is related to the sport.
should i spend $2k on a new scope for a rifle they might confiscate?

Do you really put a +2K scope on an AR or AK. Thats what their after.

 

[Snipe260]

So, in you alls opinion, not that any of you plan on complying anyways but is the threat real or is it simply being done to drum up sales in a flailing market under the Trump slump? I mean let’s face it the firearms industry employs roughly 300,000 people, not including ancillary functions. That would be a lot of people out of work if any of this mess goes through. So, what the hell do they plan on doing with those that work in the industry? They all going to need work and a few days ago I hear we are on a world wide recession. Makes one wonder...not trying to sound all conspiratorial but all this crap comes at some interesting times.

He’s gonna send them as manual labor to build the wall!

 

[softcock]

Never let a crisis go to waste, as in confusion there is opportunity,...

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You saying ?, it about time to get another Flu season declared a Pandemic Nation Emergency, with mass shortages of vaccine available ?
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[armorpl8chikn]

because they fear they won't get to keep it, or won't be compensated.

 

[theLBC]

Do you really put a +2K scope on an AR or AK. Thats what their after.

admittedly so, although it is not technically either an AR or AK (closer to AK).

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

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You saying ?, it about time to get another Flu season declared a Pandemic Nation Emergency, with mass shortages of vaccine available ?
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Well to tell you the truth, when it comes to guns I don't trust the XXX or their gov contacts one bit. If you look at history there is much to glean that repeats it's self.

 

[softcock]

Are there 38 out of 50 States in agreement yet, to ratify/change or cull-out the 2nd Amendment to Constitution yet ?
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edit add:
when I see 38 US States line-up and say they are going to remove the right to firearms ownership . Then that is the time I will be going to plan-B . Until then it all the normal political scare tactic used by all sides .
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[SilentStalkr]

Do you really put a +2K scope on an AR or AK. Thats what their after.

Absolutely! You checked the price of a LPVO and a good mount? Not to mention BUIS if you run them and a brake and so on. Lots of people have thousands of dollars in ARs aside from just the gun itself. Can you do it cheap? Sure. But, I’d think most of us here aren’t rocking many $300 PSA ARs. And, if they even do a buyback, it’s going to be some ridiculous offer like $200!

 

[Vodoun daVinci]

I am of the opinion that the US is being liquidated/fleeced by a Global Oligarchy....there are Trillions in bank accounts, pensions, property, retirement funds, 401K's etc. etc. and The Oligarchy is now and has been for some time moving that wealth to the pockets of global billionaires. They own and operate your Government and they want everything you have and will stop and nothing to get it. The US is the wealthiest nation on earth and they want yer stuff.

The problem is that we are armed and eventually people will have "had enough" and will depose the current Government and start over. This presents a problem for The Oligarchy so they will disarm US first to prevent US changing out the Government.

All efforts to disarm the US are to be able to stop us from deposing the current Government by force. The threat is real. They have to disarm US before they can liquidate US. All of your Government people want you disarmed because they are collecting millions in personal cash from the Oligarchy (in the form of campaign contributions and bribes from lobbyists) and they cannot have US armed and fighting back.

The US Government is owned and operated by a Global Oligarchy that wants *all* of Americas wealth and to get they they will have to disarm US first. You might think it's only The Left that wants this but you' be wrong - The Government wants yer guns in the dirt.

VooDoo

 

[SilentStalkr]

So they never talk about banning bolt action rifles. Perhaps I should buy one of these:
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Not that I need an excuse.

Funny thing, little to their dismay some of us can run a bolt about as fast as we can run a semi...

 

[2aBaC̶a̶]

Is cancer a real threat? It's always real. And its relentless.

 

[theLBC]

So they never talk about banning bolt action rifles. Perhaps I should buy one of these:
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Not that I need an excuse.

i have a .308 lever gun that is a year older than i am (built in 1962).
i bought my Scar to protect my right to keep it and every other gun i own.

 

[Maggot]

I’m a Remington 700 style guy. All my long range units we either rem or custom clones. I checked out some of those rascals at the range yesterday and was impressed on what they offer out of the box and that you can get pre fit barrels. Damn it

No shit. Ive got a Remington 5R that shot one ragged hole at 100 yds out of the box. I just couldnt see spending 2-3 K more to get it to a smaller ragged hole.

IN fact my AR 5.56 Varmint with 26" barrel will pretty much do the same. $750 used and not even broken in.

 

[GUN NUT in IA]

All of my guns shoot ragged ass holes.

Of course, that is the first round only
- and probably not where I would like the hole to be
- and the next shot is another ragged ass hole
- most likely somewhere else on the target,

but whadda ya going to do?


It might be my reloads.

 

[jcm331]

Don't forget those antigunners make money by trying pass all their anitconstitutional nonsense. Once they get rid of the 2A they will have to get more revenue streams

 

[SilentStalkr]

So, in you alls opinion, are the companies offerings sales and discounts on all this crap really doing it to benefit the 2A community or are they just trying to offload a bunch of crap before they are stuck with it and lose their ass?

 

[theLBC]

So, in you alls opinion, are the companies offerings sales and discounts on all this crap really doing it to benefit the 2A community or are they just trying to offload a bunch of crap before they are stuck with it and lose their ass?

both?

 

[SilentStalkr]

both?

That would be the most logical answer but I pose yo you this, if the damn manufacturers of all this shit, would stand with us, then nothing would happen. However, based on the sudden sales tactics I would say that they don’t care about the 2A other than making money and tend to just be defeatist about the whole deal which means the entire thing is toast. Are these companies so stupid that they think they would stop at ARs? At best, they are buying time. We either all stand together as a community or we all fall and let them run roughshod right over us.

 

[longgunJR]

I think the threat is real and it gets bigger every time there’s a shooting. With the economy kicking butt and DJTs real approval ratings I think the dems would do anything to get attention. With an election around the corner don’t be surprised to see more acts of evil between now and the elections. I think the moment we take the threat for granted that’s when they’ll get us

 

[theLBC]

That would be the most logical answer but I pose yo you this, if the damn manufacturers of all this shit, would stand with us, then nothing would happen. However, based on the sudden sales tactics I would say that they don’t care about the 2A other than making money and tend to just be defeatist about the whole deal which means the entire thing is toast. Are these companies so stupid that they think they would stop at ARs? At best, they are buying time. We either all stand together as a community or we all fall and let them run roughshod right over us.

i have to believe that you are right about most companies having a bottom line that revolves around finance and not our rights.
at the same time, companies that proclaim to be patriotic cannot do so without also serving their own interests (by default).
in the end, it doesn't really matter to me as long as more rifles in more households makes it more difficult to make them illegal.

 

[thejeep]

Are you saying there is a conspiracy to get people to buy more guns?

I hope soo. Maybe the world will finally be a safer place.

 

[thejeep]

And maybe the President wants awb drama to drum up support from his constituents. I think he’s desperate. I got letter in the mail from his wife asking for money.....

 

[mardad]

Maybe I should think about re-stocking since all of my weapons and ammo were lost/stolen in the hurricane/flood/ fire.

 

[kenny1773]

Maybe Trump isn't going to 'do something' for the sake of 'doing something' on gun control

Trump insists US now has 'strong background checks' for guns

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-insists-us-now-has-strong-background-checks-for-guns/2019/08/20/9c905f40-c384-11e9-8bf7-cde2d9e09055_story.html

 

[Srikaleak]

Bills can be repealed. I'm OK if they pass an AWB. I truly want to see how effective it will be. The AWB bills currently proposed are HR 1296 and S66, where S66 is the more restrictive version of the two. I believe Pete King (R) has signed on to HR 1296 which will promote that bill over S 66. As it stands HR 1296 will allow the sale of grandfathered SAWs (semi-auto weapons) but would prohibit sale of grandfathered LCAFD (large capacity ammunition feeding device). Those are the bill's acronyms, not mine. S66 would allow grand fathering but prohibit the sale of both. Best case scenario is HR 1296 is passed and "investors" can cash out and in X years the bill would be repealed. The realistic scenario is these bills are dead in McConnell's senate.

 

[Jsp556]

Do you really put a +2K scope on an AR or AK. Thats what their after.

Ab-so-fuckin-lutley. Don’t you?

 

[P-Squared]

Do you really put a +2K scope on an AR or AK. Thats what their after.

When your only tool is a hammer, then all your problems look like nails.

An ACOG is just shy of that, and by the time you buy the spare to keep in inventory, you got your 2K.

 

[SilentStalkr]

Bills can be repealed. I'm OK if they pass an AWB. I truly want to see how effective it will be. The AWB bills currently proposed are HR 1296 and S66, where S66 is the more restrictive version of the two. I believe Pete King (R) has signed on to HR 1296 which will promote that bill over S 66. As it stands HR 1296 will allow the sale of grandfathered SAWs (semi-auto weapons) but would prohibit sale of grandfathered LCAFD (large capacity ammunition feeding device). Those are the bill's acronyms, not mine. S66 would allow grand fathering but prohibit the sale of both. Best case scenario is HR 1296 is passed and "investors" can cash out and in X years the bill would be repealed. The realistic scenario is these bills are dead in McConnell's senate.

Are you insane? We already know AWBs are ineffective!!! They pass another it will still be ineffective but there won’t be a sunset this time!

 

[Vodoun daVinci]

I tell all the folks I know who want weapons bans that this is illegal. The 2nd prevents anyone from infringing so any laws that are passed that infringe are illegal and I am not bound to follow illegal laws lest I become a criminal. I am not a criminal for ignoring an illegal law.

It's simple. You want my guns? Repeal the 2nd amendment and then proceed. Until they repeal the 2nd amendment (good luck with that) and follow the law regarding changing the Constitution I am under absolutely no obligation to adhere to such a law.

https://www.fastcompany.com/4055025...t-heres-how-it-would-work-and-why-its-so-hard

There is a clear and concise procedure for repealing the 2nd amendment so get after it if you want to deprive me of my Rights. It shuts them up real quick when they realize how difficult/impossible that would be. Want my guns and think that will help? Change the Constitution and then we'll talk. Until then it's my Right and I'll exercise it...what someone wants or thinks makes no fucking difference. There is a clear and concise procedure for this so stop harassing, posturing, threatening and infringing and get to the legalities. You want the guns banned then change the Constitution and repeal the 2nd.

Good luck with that.

VooDoo

 

[SilentStalkr]

I tell all the folks I know who want weapons bans that this is illegal. The 2nd prevents anyone from infringing so any laws that are passed that infringe are illegal and I am not bound to follow illegal laws lest I become a criminal. I am not a criminal for ignoring an illegal law.

It's simple. You want my guns? Repeal the 2nd amendment and then proceed. Until they repeal the 2nd amendment (good luck with that) and follow the law regarding changing the Constitution I am under absolutely no obligation to adhere to such a law.

https://www.fastcompany.com/4055025...t-heres-how-it-would-work-and-why-its-so-hard

There is a clear and concise procedure for repealing the 2nd amendment so get after it if you want to deprive me of my Rights. It shuts them up real quick when they realize how difficult/impossible that would be. Want my guns and think that will help? Change the Constitution and then we'll talk. Until then it's my Right and I'll exercise it...what someone wants or thinks makes no fucking difference. There is a clear and concise procedure for this so stop harassing, posturing, threatening and infringing and get to the legalities. You want the guns banned then change the Constitution and repeal the 2nd.

Good luck with that.

VooDoo

Too bad most of the masters don’t know this!

 

[Srikaleak]

I dunno @Vodoun daVinci , regulations and restrictions are allowable under the Constitution. Maybe an AWB won't pass the mustard but they can literally do everything else to undermine the 2nd. I've heard talk about pricing out many people's access to the 2nd. Large taxes on guns and ammo, mandatory liability insurance coverage, etc.

I don't agree with it all, I'm just speculating. And when I said I'm OK if they pass an AWB I don't mean it as I accept the bill in its principle. I mean it as I've bought my share of supplies to outlast the bloody bill.

 

[Maggot]

Ab-so-fuckin-lutley. Don’t you?

When your only tool is a hammer, then all your problems look like nails.

An ACOG is just shy of that, and by the time you buy the spare to keep in inventory, you got your 2K.

Nah I bought a mint condition ACOG used for under $600 and its served me well for nearly 10 years.

 

[RRG]

All of my guns shoot ragged ass holes.

Of course, that is the first round only
- and probably not where I would like the hole to be
- and the next shot is another ragged ass hole
- most likely somewhere else on the target,

but whadda ya going to do?


It might be my reloads.

LOL

 

[Vodoun daVinci]

I was more commenting on the folks who screech and scream about "we have to do *something* to stop the horror!!" If you really want to do something to help then start a dialog and try to find out *why* we are creating a growing number of murderous whack jobs - it ain't the guns. Something about our society is creating mass murderers....find out what that is and you'll be doing something constructive.

Until then, if you really believe guns are the problem, spend yer time and money repealing the 2nd. Good luck with that.

It shuts them right the fuck down when you tell them in a clear clean voice without anger or passion to just get on with repealing the 2nd. They know that's not gonna happen so they continue to support infringement in lieu of doing something positive to combat/resolve the issue. I refuse to let them make me angry and passionate....I just tell them if they want US disarmed to quit fooling around and repeal already.

They usually change the subject after that because it's not going to happen.

VooDoo

 

[SilentStalkr]

I dunno @Vodoun daVinci , regulations and restrictions are allowable under the Constitution. Maybe an AWB won't pass the mustard but they can literally do everything else to undermine the 2nd. I've heard talk about pricing out many people's access to the 2nd. Large taxes on guns and ammo, mandatory liability insurance coverage, etc.

I don't agree with it all, I'm just speculating. And when I said I'm OK if they pass an AWB I don't mean it as I accept the bill in its principle. I mean it as I've bought my share of supplies to outlast the bloody bill.

Um, no sir. They really can’t. Any restriction is an infringement, period. Technically, all of the stuff on the books already is an infringement and we should be fighting that. Tax would be an infringement. Insurance would be an infringement. Shall not be infringed is pretty simple. I don’t know why people can’t understand that.

As far as having supplies to outlast a bill lol. Maybe if you should 10 rds a year lol. Any serious shooter can blow through a couple hundred precision rifle rounds per session. If you go 1x a week that’s 800 rds a month. That’s 9600 rds a year, just for one caliber and rifle. That’s also nearly $14,000 worth of ammo just for that one caliber! Many here might be sitting on 10’s or thousands of rounds but it’s not going to last indefinitely by any means for any serious shooter. Not to mention, the people writing these bills consider anyone that has even that kind of stockpile a terrorist. Better hope they never come to your house. I doubt many people here, if any, are sitting on millions of dollars of ammo. So yes, restricting sales of ammo in the future is 100% infringing on the 2A. And like I said, this is a Precision round. If we are talking 5.56 or something. I can easily shoot 500 rds a session 1x a week if I so chose to. Heck I know guys that shoot 1000 rds a week. Sure they could scale back their shooting and get by for awhile but at some point they are going to run out. Same goes for reloading supplies.

 

[Srikaleak]

Um, no sir. They really can’t. Any restriction is an infringement, period. Technically, all of the stuff on the books already is an infringement and we should be fighting that. Tax would be an infringement. Insurance would be an infringement. Shall not be infringed is pretty simple. I don’t know why people can’t understand that.

As far as having supplies to outlast a bill lol. Maybe if you should 10 rds a year lol. Any serious shooter can blow through a couple hundred precision rifle rounds per session. If you go 1x a week that’s 800 rds a month. That’s 9600 rds a year, just for one caliber and rifle. That’s also nearly $14,000 worth of ammo just for that one caliber! Many here might be sitting on 10’s or thousands of rounds but it’s not going to last indefinitely by any means for any serious shooter. Not to mention, the people writing these bills consider anyone that has even that kind of stockpile a terrorist. Better hope they never come to your house. I doubt many people here, if any, are sitting on millions of dollars of ammo. So yes, restricting sales of ammo in the future is 100% infringing on the 2A. And like I said, this is a Precision round. If we are talking 5.56 or something. I can easily shoot 500 rds a session 1x a week if I so chose to. Heck I know guys that shoot 1000 rds a week. Sure they could scale back their shooting and get by for awhile but at some point they are going to run out. Same goes for reloading supplies.

Duly noted, it does seem to be a good time to fight back against certain infringements around the country. Especially with the recent hysteria of Trump backing off on signing the UBC bill. Here's hoping we can push through HR38.

 

[EddieNFL]

Do you really put a +2K scope on an AR or AK. Thats what their after.

Pay closer attention.

 

[MK20]

Are there 38 out of 50 States in agreement yet, to ratify/change or cull-out the 2nd Amendment to Constitution yet ?
.
edit add:
when I see 38 US States line-up and say they are going to remove the right to firearms ownership . Then that is the time I will be going to plan-B . Until then it all the normal political scare tactic used by all sides .
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You cannot extirpate a God given, inalienable right through the amendment process. The constitution recognizes the right, which predates the document. It does not grant it.

 

[softcock]

I was under the impression that the constitution can be changed by 38 out of 50 states in agreement . with all states votes counted equal no matter the population of .
Are you saying we can only add amendment, but never remove ?
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[MK20]

I am saying the Constitution cannot remove what it did not grant, but merely recognized.

 

[SilentStalkr]

I was under the impression that the constitution can be changed by 38 out of 50 states in agreement . with all states votes counted equal no matter the population of .
Are you saying we can only add amendment, but never remove ?
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His point is that the BOR are rights granted to us by God, the creator. They are naturally existing rights and therefore can neither be granted or removed by government. That is the way the BOR is supposed to be interpreted, yet somehow our masters like to say otherwise. Yes there is an amendment changing process which you were correct on, but I’m not sure how it applies to any of the BOR since those are naturally occurring rights that are just recognized by the Constitution. The only reason these are clarified is because it’s meant to be a reminder that the government cannot take these away.