Reason number 5,499,784,122,347 to not join the military

[308pirate]

Thank you very much? No, fuck you very much!

Army injustice: Thousands of soldiers, veterans slapped with misleading criminal record

Soldiers and veterans say the Army's investigation of a now-defunct recruiting program left them with a criminal record even though they were never charged.

www.foxnews.com

 

[NoDopes]

WTF?

 

[BullGear]

This is a travesty. No reason for this, no reason at all.

 

[lonegunman762x51]

Travesty or not, it is typical of an "investigation" in the military. In the military, you are investigated by an officer with absolutely no experience or ability to lead an investigation. It is a O-1 thru O-3 who was so fucking stupid he could not get out of this extra duty. About 99% of the time they are told what their conclusion will be before hand and they find it as ordered.

Search warrants are signed by your commanding officer, there is no judicial process and no real oversight until your conviction goes to the U.S. Court of Appeals. If the military appoints you a lawyer, it is the stupidest fucking idiot ever to pass a law school graduation. Inept lawyers are assigned to the Area Defense Council (ADC), they defend the accused. If they are to good at their job, they switch them to the Judge Advocate General (JAG) and they prosecute you.

You have no privacy with a military lawyer and no confidentiality. If you admit anything to your military appointed lawyer, he reports it to the JAG and they use it against you. No one in their military system is trustworthy. Under the UCMJ, you can get tried and retried until they fabricate a conviction.

It is not surprising that they would do this and ruin careers and lives over complete bullshit. This is probably seen as a first rate, top notch investigation by the Army.

 

[TxWelder35]

Army leadership told Congress in 2014 that Task Force Raptor might uncover as much as $100 million in fraud. Three years later, the Army revised that estimate to $6 million, after spending around $28 million on the investigation.

As of 2022, Task Force Raptor resulted in just $478,002 repaid to the U.S. Treasury and $58,403 in fines and fees, according to Army data.

 

[Maggot]

Thank you very much? No, fuck you very much!

Army injustice: Thousands of soldiers, veterans slapped with misleading criminal record

Soldiers and veterans say the Army's investigation of a now-defunct recruiting program left them with a criminal record even though they were never charged.

www.foxnews.com

@wade2big

 

[babyguppy]

Army leadership told Congress in 2014 that Task Force Raptor might uncover as much as $100 million in fraud. Three years later, the Army revised that estimate to $6 million, after spending around $28 million on the investigation.

As of 2022, Task Force Raptor resulted in just $478,002 repaid to the U.S. Treasury and $58,403 in fines and fees, according to Army data.

did the Senate appoint and advocate to track the Billions going to Ukraine... Like Rand Paul asked?
Ah hush goes over the Senate and 10% to the big guy, and Nancy and Chuck fly to Ukraine to pick theirs up.

 

[wade2big]

@wade2big

What do you want me to say @Maggot? It shouldn’t take a genius to understand that a gov’t that lies to young guidable men to recruit them in order to ship them off to be killed and maimed overseas to enrich politicians and their oligarchs while convincing them and the everyday citizen that they are somehow fighting for the constitution and the sovereignty of their country, would also do such a thing as falsely label them criminals. This same gov’t has been murdering these same young men along with the citizenry in the name of covid while indoctrinating the upcoming officers with “woke” ideology to ensure a future military that will all to proudly turn it’s guns inwards at resisting US citizens while ignoring the ongoing foreign invasion of rapists, murderers, pedophiles , and drug runners. Were you expecting me to say something along these lines or something different?

 

[Snipe260]

Who in their right mind would work for this regime in Washington at this time?

 

[Soulezoo]

Travesty or not, it is typical of an "investigation" in the military. In the military, you are investigated by an officer with absolutely no experience or ability to lead an investigation. It is a O-1 thru O-3 who was so fucking stupid he could not get out of this extra duty. About 99% of the time they are told what their conclusion will be before hand and they find it as ordered.

Search warrants are signed by your commanding officer, there is no judicial process and no real oversight until your conviction goes to the U.S. Court of Appeals. If the military appoints you a lawyer, it is the stupidest fucking idiot ever to pass a law school graduation. Inept lawyers are assigned to the Area Defense Council (ADC), they defend the accused. If they are to go at their job, they switch them to the Judge Advocate General (JAG) and they prosecute you.

You have to privacy with a military lawyer and no confidentiality. If you admit anything to your military appointed lawyer, he reports it to the JAG and they use it against you. No one in their military system is trustworthy. Under the UCMJ, you can get tried and retired until they fabricate a conviction.

It is not surprising that they would do this and ruin careers and lives over complete bullshit. This is probably seen as a first rate, top notch investigation by the Army.

But, but, but..... REACHER!!!!

 

[Bonjourjr]

Accusations in the army are real bad. My buddy was accused of sexual assault back in 2007. CID had me bring my whole squad to get interviewed for it along with half the platoon I was in. During the investigation it was determined that she was just a hoe and caught feeling for him and he just tricked and dicked her. She falsely accused him. When he was going to ETS they said he couldn’t because he was still under investigation. CID never closes their cases and the accusations get reported up. It messed with his ability to get a job when he got out. He was never charged, just accused. Fuck CID

 

[Redmanss]

Travesty or not, it is typical of an "investigation" in the military. In the military, you are investigated by an officer with absolutely no experience or ability to lead an investigation. It is a O-1 thru O-3 who was so fucking stupid he could not get out of this extra duty. About 99% of the time they are told what their conclusion will be before hand and they find it as ordered.

Search warrants are signed by your commanding officer, there is no judicial process and no real oversight until your conviction goes to the U.S. Court of Appeals. If the military appoints you a lawyer, it is the stupidest fucking idiot ever to pass a law school graduation. Inept lawyers are assigned to the Area Defense Council (ADC), they defend the accused. If they are to go at their job, they switch them to the Judge Advocate General (JAG) and they prosecute you.

You have to privacy with a military lawyer and no confidentiality. If you admit anything to your military appointed lawyer, he reports it to the JAG and they use it against you. No one in their military system is trustworthy. Under the UCMJ, you can get tried and retired until they fabricate a conviction.

It is not surprising that they would do this and ruin careers and lives over complete bullshit. This is probably seen as a first rate, top notch investigation by the Army.

While that happens a lot and comprises the bulk of everything involved with military justice, it isn't so in this case.

This was investigated by the "professionals", US Army CID which is filled with both active duty and DoD civilian investigators. It's not the BN Adjutant out to make a name for themselves in the latest hazing case, this was done by the big dogs who hold federal agent credentials and get long running television shows made about their trade (NCIS).

I've worked with a few CID bubbas in the past, and they never struck me as stupid or skewed, instead they were really down to Earth guys with very conservative ideals and were out to protect anyone who is right and go after those who are really in the wrong. But anyone who served any length of time in the services knows command influence, and even worse Congressional influence as is the case here, will drive them to do every level of shady shit to get the results their keepers are looking for.

As time passes and the swamp gets deeper, it's of no surprise to me the types I knew are depleted and replaced with those who will go to any length to service their masters.

 

[lonegunman762x51]

You might like kissing CID ass, they are all, from every branch of service, lying pieces of shit. It took little or no pressure from above to turn them against right and wrong. If the rewards for shitting on people are greater than clearing them, they shit away

Since when did failure to recall the name of a guy you met a decade ago indicate a crime has taken place?

When did it become okay to destroy lives of people without evidence of a crime, filing charges and giving them their day in court?

These CID guys are at best utterly inept and petty tyrants.

I'm sure plenty of Gestapo guys had friends like you back in the day. Yeah, they rounded up Jews, sure they killed political prisoners and killed civilians for the crime of not embracing tyranny.........................but they were good guys to go fishing with. Right?

 

[Redmanss]

You might like kissing CID ass, they are all, from every branch of service, lying pieces of shit.

Since when did failure to recall the name of a guy you met a decade ago indicate a crime has taken place?

When did it become okay to destroy lives of people without evidence of a crime, filing charges and giving them their day in court?

These CID guys are at best utterly inept and petty tyrants.

I'm sure plenty of Gestapo guys had friends like you back in the day. Yeah, they rounded up Jews, sure they killed political prisoners and killed civilians for the crime of not embracing tyranny.........................but they were good guys to go fishing with. Right?

Reaching for straws and couldn't be more wrong. Read what I wrote again and look at the last sentence, I said those types are gone. Same as the good Generals of the past are a relic and never seen in this day and age, so goes the lower levels of leadership on the .gov/.mil level.

Fellas I knew 10-30 years ago are long since retired, and we've all seen the evidence of what has replaced good men who used to do good work. Once upon a time there were a slew of honest men doing honest work in law enforcement, but like all fairy tales they took place at a time that no longer exists. They are now the exception and the remaining few are leaving very much by force as they refuse to conform to the new leftist idealists running the shows.

The FBI used to be kind of competent and honest, no longer the case. Same with the USMS, USSS, CBP, all no longer the case. DEA and BATFE, well, they've always been a world class shit show. CID/NCIS has always followed what their big brother agencies do, they are no exception. While they've never been what Hollyweird tries to portray them as, they are far worse now than ever in investigative proficiency and honesty.

 

[308pirate]

Who in their right mind would work for this regime in Washington at this time?

This happened over 10 years ago braniac.......

 

[308pirate]

Even as far back as the early 90s the .mil was a shitshow. Back then DUI was a big thing and anyone going to captain's mast (NJP for you army fucks) was going to be railroaded.

It happened to one of the guys in my division and rather than taking the command's side, I the division officer, decided to actually think and do my own fact finding. I spoke with the trooper that stopped my guy (a damned good E-6) and asked him WTF was up. He told me he stopped my guy for suspicion of DUI but cleared him and just gave him a warning. How that became a DUI NJP I'll never know but you should have seen the faces of the CO (O-6) and XO (O-5) when I said that I didn't support the charges when my turn came to speak as the accused's immediate superior commissioned officer.

Needless to say that bullshit cemented my decision to get the fuck out of a corrupt, fucked up, and utterly politicized system. I could not, with a clear conscience, be a part of that fucked up way of life.

Sometimes I think going to Annapolis was the biggest mistake of my life.

 

[The D]

This happened over 10 years ago braniac.......

Who would’ve done it then?

 

[308pirate]

Who would’ve done it then?

But G-RAP came under scrutiny in 2012, and the Army ended the program.

I'm sure you can figure out who was the Commander In Chief then.

 

[The D]

But G-RAP came under scrutiny in 2012, and the Army ended the program.

I'm sure you can figure out who was the Commander In Chief then.

I got it. I was just trolling with my usual anti-gov schtick

 

[TurboTrout]

People don’t think big gov be like it be, but it do

 

[The D]

People don’t think big gov be like it be, but it do

 

[Redmanss]

Recruiting is already pretty much the most corrupt segment of the military. Adding additional money for headhunting only exacerbates the corruption.

I speak from experience. I was a recruiter, and a failed one at that. I couldn’t play the game, and left after the tour with less than six years to go to retirement. I at least left to triple the pay and still got to play in war zones, the big green weenie can suck itself.

 

[TurboTrout]

But also kinda don’t care

Collect $2,000 per kid to convince some dumb ass high school grads to go fight in bushes BS war and potentially get blown up? Not exactly a honorable venture