So in all my time shooting i have never heard of anyone saying that putting a gun in a "vise" type rest will affect accuracy because of________ input any reason you want i have heard a few like recoil properly or position or bounce problems?? Now all of asudden recently i read a couple times about this. I was wondering if it has any merit and are they talking about like the lead sled or an actual no shit gun dosent move vise? i could see this being an issue as trying to stop all movement the energy has to have an effect else wear.
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Recoil Properly?
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Re: Recoil Properly?
A Lead Sled can definitely help minimize some shooter-induced movement. However, you still have to move/aim the rifle when it's in the Sled, so it doesn't totally immobilize the weapon like a true vise would. A Lead Sled would be most useful for tightening up groups caused by excessive or inappropriate movement by the driver, although there is a limit to how much it can "improve" accuracy. For someone that really knows how to position themselves and employ good shooting fundamentals, the value of such a device is essentially negligible. In fact, a good shooter can usually do much better without it using a bipod and rear bag. I had one several years ago and ended up giving it away because I could shoot much better without it. As far as completely locking a gun down in a true vise apparatus, I don't know, although I could easily imagine how it might be an issue if you prevented normal recoil locking one down like that (altered barrel harmonics, vibration, etc.).
A Lead Sled can definitely help minimize some shooter-induced movement. However, you still have to move/aim the rifle when it's in the Sled, so it doesn't totally immobilize the weapon like a true vise would. A Lead Sled would be most useful for tightening up groups caused by excessive or inappropriate movement by the driver, although there is a limit to how much it can "improve" accuracy. For someone that really knows how to position themselves and employ good shooting fundamentals, the value of such a device is essentially negligible. In fact, a good shooter can usually do much better without it using a bipod and rear bag. I had one several years ago and ended up giving it away because I could shoot much better without it. As far as completely locking a gun down in a true vise apparatus, I don't know, although I could easily imagine how it might be an issue if you prevented normal recoil locking one down like that (altered barrel harmonics, vibration, etc.).
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Let me start by saying I can't get my guns to group with lead sleds. The times I have tried using one, my groups opened up an extra MOA or so over a bipod and rear bag. In my mind, the reason for this is that the gun will not recoil the same way every time. As the gun recoils, it will shift in the sled and sit differently. The next time a shot is fired, the different position will cause the gun to recoil differently than the previous shot, and shift again to another position. Next shot, same thing. This is the exact same principle as having a poorly fitting stock. Would you velcro your barreled action onto a block of wood and expect it to shoot well? When you shoot the gun normally, the gun recoils directly backwards (hopefully), and after the recoil, your body naturally returns the rifle to a position similar to the previous shot.
This is nothing more than a theory. I do not own a sled, and my experience with them is by no means extensive. Benchrest shooters, on the other hand, do have plenty of experience with these things, and I've never seen one strap down their gun. There's probably a reason.
Let me start by saying I can't get my guns to group with lead sleds. The times I have tried using one, my groups opened up an extra MOA or so over a bipod and rear bag. In my mind, the reason for this is that the gun will not recoil the same way every time. As the gun recoils, it will shift in the sled and sit differently. The next time a shot is fired, the different position will cause the gun to recoil differently than the previous shot, and shift again to another position. Next shot, same thing. This is the exact same principle as having a poorly fitting stock. Would you velcro your barreled action onto a block of wood and expect it to shoot well? When you shoot the gun normally, the gun recoils directly backwards (hopefully), and after the recoil, your body naturally returns the rifle to a position similar to the previous shot.
This is nothing more than a theory. I do not own a sled, and my experience with them is by no means extensive. Benchrest shooters, on the other hand, do have plenty of experience with these things, and I've never seen one strap down their gun. There's probably a reason.
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I agree completely with Temp9! Most people get a Lead Sled and think they are going to see their rifle become the most accurate thing they have ever shot. But then they forget that you still have to hold the rifle and be able to shoot it. I know people who have a lead sled to sight in Ultra Large Magnums, but then they wonder why the gun won't shoot for crap. The lead sled was made for 1 thing and that is to control the recoil of a rifle, not the accuracy.
A good shooter with a manageable rifle will always be more accurate! If a person can't shoot a rifle with out the Lead Sled then maybe they should get a more manageable rifle and learn to shoot. Instead of using a crutch to help.
Attherange made a great point too!! "You can't use them in a match", and I will add that I am not going to carry that damn thing in the field with 100 lbs of shot just to be able to shoot my rifle.
Shoot a good rifle that you can shoot well and you will always be more accurate than a guy with an oversized magnum that makes him flinch before he even pulls the trigger...
Good Luck!!!
I agree completely with Temp9! Most people get a Lead Sled and think they are going to see their rifle become the most accurate thing they have ever shot. But then they forget that you still have to hold the rifle and be able to shoot it. I know people who have a lead sled to sight in Ultra Large Magnums, but then they wonder why the gun won't shoot for crap. The lead sled was made for 1 thing and that is to control the recoil of a rifle, not the accuracy.
A good shooter with a manageable rifle will always be more accurate! If a person can't shoot a rifle with out the Lead Sled then maybe they should get a more manageable rifle and learn to shoot. Instead of using a crutch to help.
Attherange made a great point too!! "You can't use them in a match", and I will add that I am not going to carry that damn thing in the field with 100 lbs of shot just to be able to shoot my rifle.
Shoot a good rifle that you can shoot well and you will always be more accurate than a guy with an oversized magnum that makes him flinch before he even pulls the trigger...
Good Luck!!!
Re: Recoil Properly?
sled type rest are good for load development and sighting in. After that shoot how you would shoot, but you have to learn to shoot off a sled your they can make your shooting worse. Now for the question about a vise, yes a vise that locks your gun down can cause lots of problems(in big calibers). Guns have to move and give way to the pressure.
sled type rest are good for load development and sighting in. After that shoot how you would shoot, but you have to learn to shoot off a sled your they can make your shooting worse. Now for the question about a vise, yes a vise that locks your gun down can cause lots of problems(in big calibers). Guns have to move and give way to the pressure.
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As a new long range shooter, I have used a lead sled a few times to sight in my rifle (7mm Remington Magnum). I only use it because I am still very new to magnum calibers, and don't want my errors to cause me to zero my optics wrong. However, I have been to ranges out here where people will shoot 40+ rounds through a strapped down rifle, just to make theirs groups smaller. I always get a good laugh at those guys.
As a new long range shooter, I have used a lead sled a few times to sight in my rifle (7mm Remington Magnum). I only use it because I am still very new to magnum calibers, and don't want my errors to cause me to zero my optics wrong. However, I have been to ranges out here where people will shoot 40+ rounds through a strapped down rifle, just to make theirs groups smaller. I always get a good laugh at those guys.
