Recommend suppressor for full auto use

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    #1
    I have a colt m16 and I am getting tired of the 2 surefire socom cans I have because they are so loud. I put a AAC 7.62 Sdn-6 on an 11.5 upper and the sound difference was very noticeable.

    are there any currently manufactured 7-8 inch cans that are quieter than the surefire and can handle full auto?

    thank you very much.
     
    #3
    Yea Rugged Surge might be a good one for ya.

    IME, just go with a shorter can and earpro, you're gonna need earpro regardless.

    I'd go sandman s or rugged razor.
     
    #4
    Dead Air Sandman-S... The Sandman series cans are the hardest-use suppressors on the market. Fully-welded 17-4 Ph stainless steel tube and a fully-welded Stellite baffle stack. No barrel length or caliber restrictions, and full-auto rated up to .300 WinMag.

    I have 2 of them...The regular Sandman-S and the DEVGRU Mil-contract FDE finish Sandman-S. As well as a Dead Air Nomad-LT, Mask HD, and Rugged Obsidian 45.
     
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    The sandman series are great cans but I believe the Rugged cans are probably going to be more durable and are a little better all around. Same use of stellite baffles and 17-4 as the sandman but they are also “belt fed” rated, slightly lighter and seem to be slightly quieter per length than the sandman series.

    Go with their Surge if you want maximum suppression or the Razor if you want something a little shorter but still noticeably quieter than the surefires.
     
    #7
    Rugged Surge is a great choice, as mentioned good sound reduction and plesent tone. It is modular so it can shoot as a 7" or 9" can and has a very solid mounting system.
     
    #9
    I have shot my Thunderbeast Dominus on my M-16 as well as an old Thunderbeast 223A. The Dominus is really quiet, minimal back pressure and not nearly as heavy as the 223A. I have done minimal FA shooting through my SF 212 and mini.
     
    #10
    I don't own a socom, but I've been next to them on the firing line and think for tone and percieved sound it is not that good.

    I own a dozen rifle suppressors and would pick the Surge for your application. Understanding that a 5.56 SBR is hard to suppress and with the action noise, especially in full auto you will need hearing protection anyway. It is a good choice, a .30 can has less back pressure and 7" and 9" is a lot of volume. The tone is nice, mount is solid and you can go lighter and shorter, but to the ear I don't think you could find better.

    That said, my personal priorities on a 5.56 SBR is to get sound below obnoxious, keep smoke face to a reasonable level, have a gun with good balance and good handling. My 5.56 SBRs run adjustable gas blocks and cans simular to yours. (Silencerco Saker 5.56 G1, Silencerco Specwar 5.56, Griffin Armament Reece 5)

    I also have 300BO SBRs and they are far more pleasant suppressed. If the Surge isn't quiet enough, it is .30 bore and a blackout upper will take things to a better place with supersonic ammo, and to child like guiddyness with subsonic.
     
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    Luke G said:
    The sandman series are great cans but I believe the Rugged cans are probably going to be more durable and are a little better all around. Same use of stellite baffles and 17-4 as the sandman but they are also “belt fed” rated, slightly lighter and seem to be slightly quieter per length than the sandman series.

    Go with their Surge if you want maximum suppression or the Razor if you want something a little shorter but still noticeably quieter than the surefires.
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    The Rugged cans certainly aren't quieter... I like Rugged, and I own a Rugged suppressor, so I'm not talking crap, just pointing out what I noticed hearing my Sandman-S next to a Rugged Surge (short config for similarity) on a similarly spec'd rifle...The rugged was slightly louder. Also, the Sandman has a nice deep tone, the rugged is a bit higher-pitched. It won't bother a normal person, but I have really bad tinnitus, so I notice such things.
     
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    MudRunner2005 said:
    The Rugged cans certainly aren't quieter... I like Rugged, and I own a Rugged suppressor, so I'm not talking crap, just pointing out what I noticed hearing my Sandman-S next to a Rugged Surge (short config for similarity) on a similarly spec'd rifle...The rugged was slightly louder. Also, the Sandman has a nice deep tone, the rugged is a bit higher-pitched. It won't bother a normal person, but I have really bad tinnitus, so I notice such things.
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    Were you running the surge and sandman on a bolt gun or gas gun?

    I only ask because between my and my buddies we have all of the sandman variants other than the TI as well as a few of the rugged cans. The surge has the most backpressure and can make the port pop pretty loud if you don't have a properly tuned gas block. This may make is seem louder than it actually is. We tested them side by side and all 3 of us agreed that the Rugged surge in full length configuration was a little quieter than the sandman L and quieter than the S in short configuration. The micro 30 in long configuration was very similar to the sandman S maybe just a little louder, short configuration though was definitely louder than the sandman K.
     
    #15
    How a suppressor sounds is very subjective...some are definitely quieter (dB's) than others, and some just sound like they are quieter or louder... that said for Full Auto, I'd recommend a Rugged Surge.. in full length config it's pretty quiet, and they are built like tanks.
     
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    Luke G said:
    Were you running the surge and sandman on a bolt gun or gas gun?

    I only ask because between my and my buddies we have all of the sandman variants other than the TI as well as a few of the rugged cans. The surge has the most backpressure and can make the port pop pretty loud if you don't have a properly tuned gas block. This may make is seem louder than it actually is. We tested them side by side and all 3 of us agreed that the Rugged surge in full length configuration was a little quieter than the sandman L and quieter than the S in short configuration. The micro 30 in long configuration was very similar to the sandman S maybe just a little louder, short configuration though was definitely louder than the sandman K.
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    Gas guns.
     
    #17
    I'd just by a resonator (or resonator k if barrel > 11.5) from hansohn bros then spend your leftover $$$ on a tbac for your bolt gun.

    Personally I think ARs are always an earplugs affair, so might as well save a hundred or five.

    I love my yhm cans, they'll take any mount you want.

    I also kinda hate non-k cans on ARs as they ruin the balance IMO.

    If I can leave the filter plugs out in my surefire defenders, I'm happy.

    Even with a nomad L on a 20" 223 bolt gun or my rugged oculus shooting 17hmr, I like plugs for the sonic crack.

    If I don't want to wear ear pro I'll shoot my CMMG AR9 with subs, or a rimfire.

    I beat up my ears playing 100 watt Marshalls back when I was younger and dumber, so it doesn't take much for the ringing to act up.

    None of that is what you asked for.
    The Hyperion sure looks sweet, but I'd ping them about full auto out of an 11.5

    It looks like the quietest can on the market for sure.

    Just buy them all, gosh darn it 😂
     
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    CaptArab said:
    I'd just by a resonator (or resonator k if barrel > 11.5) from hansohn bros then spend your leftover $$$ on a tbac for your bolt gun.

    Personally I think ARs are always an earplugs affair, so might as well save a hundred or five.

    I love my yhm cans, they'll take any mount you want.

    I also kinda hate non-k cans on ARs as they ruin the balance IMO.

    If I can leave the filter plugs out in my surefire defenders, I'm happy.

    Even with a nomad L on a 20" 223 bolt gun or my rugged oculus shooting 17hmr, I like plugs for the sonic crack.

    If I don't want to wear ear pro I'll shoot my CMMG AR9 with subs, or a rimfire.

    I beat up my ears playing 100 watt Marshalls back when I was younger and dumber, so it doesn't take much for the ringing to act up.

    None of that is what you asked for.
    The Hyperion sure looks sweet, but I'd ping them about full auto out of an 11.5

    It looks like the quietest can on the market for sure.

    Just buy them all, gosh darn it 😂
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    See, i'm opposite... I think K-cans are useless, and not worth the price or $200 stamp and wait. IMO, S-cans are the shortest I'd go on any gun...Especially an AR. Bolt guns, I'd go full-length, and/or 1.750" diameter and 6.5" or longer for maximum suppression.

    I really enjoy my Sandman-S cans on my AR's. It's ok on my bolt-action .260 Remington, but it really needs something bigger (all the way around), like my Nomad-LT to really make it shine.
     
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    CaptArab said:
    I'd just by a resonator (or resonator k if barrel > 11.5) from hansohn bros then spend your leftover $$$ on a tbac for your bolt gun.

    Personally I think ARs are always an earplugs affair, so might as well save a hundred or five.

    I love my yhm cans, they'll take any mount you want.

    I also kinda hate non-k cans on ARs as they ruin the balance IMO.

    If I can leave the filter plugs out in my surefire defenders, I'm happy.

    Even with a nomad L on a 20" 223 bolt gun or my rugged oculus shooting 17hmr, I like plugs for the sonic crack.

    If I don't want to wear ear pro I'll shoot my CMMG AR9 with subs, or a rimfire.

    I beat up my ears playing 100 watt Marshalls back when I was younger and dumber, so it doesn't take much for the ringing to act up.

    None of that is what you asked for.
    The Hyperion sure looks sweet, but I'd ping them about full auto out of an 11.5

    It looks like the quietest can on the market for sure.

    Just buy them all, gosh darn it 😂
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    #21
    Thanks for all the reply’s. I already have 2 ultra 7’s so I am good there. I will wait until pew research comes out with some 556 data and then make my decision. If I did not have to get in line and get the mounts redone on an AAC can, I would just buy 2 more 7.62 Sdn-6’s. Too bad Remington put them out of business
     
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    MudRunner2005 said:
    See, i'm opposite... I think K-cans are useless, and not worth the price or $200 stamp and wait. IMO, S-cans are the shortest I'd go on any gun...Especially an AR. Bolt guns, I'd go full-length, and/or 1.750" diameter and 6.5" or longer for maximum suppression.

    I really enjoy my Sandman-S cans on my AR's. It's ok on my bolt-action .260 Remington, but it really needs something bigger (all the way around), like my Nomad-LT to really make it shine.
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    Thanks God this is America where we're only limited by our budget 😂
     
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    Luke G said:
    The sandman series are great cans but I believe the Rugged cans are probably going to be more durable and are a little better all around. Same use of stellite baffles and 17-4 as the sandman but they are also “belt fed” rated, slightly lighter and seem to be slightly quieter per length than the sandman series.

    Go with their Surge if you want maximum suppression or the Razor if you want something a little shorter but still noticeably quieter than the surefires.
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    Belt fed is a marketing scheme that you fell for that means full auto rated.
     
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    Smokin7s said:
    Belt fed is a marketing scheme that you fell for that means full auto rated.
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    Fortunately I did not fall for anything since I bought them to run on bolt guns primarily. You are also incorrect, they have the radiant that is full auto rated but not “belt fed” rated. So unless you know something nobody else does that would lead me to believe they are not the same.

    Running a few belts through a can puts a lot more stress on things than a few mags.
     
    #29
    loveha said:
    There is an older clip of Mike from deadair dumping part of a belt through an S. But please, explain how the gasses from a belt and a mag differ.
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    The gasses aren’t different but the amount of heat that gets put into the system is. Heat is what ends up doing damage.
     
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    Alabama556 said:
    Full auto and belt fed are 2 entirely different things. Belt feds will chew up some shit in a hurry.
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    There are .22LR and 9mm belt-fed uppers... Full-auto is full-auto. Crew-serve vs belt-fed is probably what you're referring to, but fire-rate, bore aperture vs. bullet diameter, heat, cartridge size, and suppresser materials are what affects the can's longevity, not the loading mechanism of the firearm itself.
     
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    Full-Auto is Full-Auto, regardless of belts or magazines that feed the system. Barrel length, cartridge, cyclic-rate, and heat has more to do with it than anything. "Belt-fed rated" is a sales gimmick. Because full-auto rated is full-auto rated.

    Once again, not hating, I own a Rugged can, just pointing out facts for clarification.
     
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    MudRunner2005 said:
    Full-Auto is Full-Auto, regardless of belts or magazines that feed the system. Barrel length, cartridge, cyclic-rate, and heat has more to do with it than anything. "Belt-fed rated" is a sales gimmick. Because full-auto rated is full-auto rated.

    Once again, not hating, I own a Rugged can, just pointing out facts for clarification.
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    Precisely
     
    #34
    Alabama556 said:
    Running magazines through a can and running belts through a can are different. They will both get you to the same place eventually but a belt fed gets you there a lot faster.
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    No they're not... They're the exact same. One is not "heavier" than the other on a suppressor. An M16 is no harder on a suppressor than an M249 SAW or SHRIKE is if used identically and the same number of rounds are shot through them in nearly the same time-frame. I can dump a 150 round belt or 5x30-round mags without letting the gun cool down... It will cause just as much detriment to the suppressor. The few seconds during mag swaps will not make a difference in the heat dissipation.
     
    #35
    I'm on the side of it just being marketing. I've shot a belt fed with a Rugged Razor on it and it was fun. It was a sponsored event when the Razor had just come out.

    But, the difference between total rounds fired over a few minutes of heavy use is comparable to mag dumps. If I'm impressed by anything it is full auto rated and short barrel restrictions. Mag dumps on SBRs are a lot of heat, and I think overall heat tollarance is key.
     
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    Below is from the TBAC Website. I guess the Ulra is belt fed rated untill it reaches 800 degrees and needs to cool.

    The Ultras were designed to be the "ultimate" lightweight precision rifle suppressor. This means we used materials to meet those goals. Titanium, even Grade 5, is ultimately limited by temperature. The Ultras are very strong but excursions above 800 degrees are not good for the material. If you take it far enough above 1000 degrees, it will get too weak to sustain the blast and you would eventually get a failure. We recommend keeping the Ultra series less than 800 degrees.

    Full auto by itself does not really increase the pressure or stress on the can, it's the heat energy input in combination. Full auto or bursts would be fine on an Ultra as long as the material temperature does not exceed that 800 degree safety mark. In our testing, one magazine fired rapid (mag-dump) from from an AR-10 or AR-15 does not exceed 800 degrees. Keep in mind this is firing at a full-auto-like rate. At that point you'd just have to let it cool. The second magazine may or may not cause it to exceed it depending on ambient conditions, loads, barrel length, etc. A shorter barrel will cause more heat input into the suppressor and its temperature will rise faster.
     
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