Reloading Safety reminder - Primers

[C-130 Dude]

During the culling operation when I check primers Ive seen shit pushed in sideways and not a peep.

but that one..........is all it takes.

Count your blessings on that one?

 

[C-130 Dude]

The guy that did this is a giant TOOL.

 

[C-130 Dude]

Anyone have any thoughts on the risk of this sort of mishap occurring on a Primal Rights CPS? In the CPS manual, it states "do not load more than 10 primers into the feed tube at a time, for your safety". Not sure if this is just a CYA precaution, but it does defeat part of the purpose of having a CPS, that being the speed of priming cases. The first half of the manual is entirely safety but that 10 primer recommendation has had me wondering ever since I started using it six months ago. Admittedly, I ignore that limit at my own risk and load up 100 at a time wearing eye protection and being very meticulous about brass prep, especially the primer pockets.

The CPS design does seem to allow a greater margin of safety if the primer being seated were to go off, but doesn't the Dillon do the same and still there have been incidents where the primers in the tube detonated? Also, unlike the Dillon, the CPS doesn't have a steel safety shroud around the aluminum primer tube. I'm not familiar with the RCBS device at issue here, but it seems somewhat similar to a CPS in having an exposed aluminum primer tube. Perhaps @orkan can enlighten us.

I'm really not sure that speed is the reason the CPS was made. Accurate priming was the main focus, as I understand. That said, there is a benefit of increased speed.

 

[Lefty1121]

Wouldn't typically cross post to another forum but no doubt this will end up here at some point (haven't seen it yet). Sheds some light on the

 

[Lefty1121]

Daay-am! I bet that stings. So I just bought a RCBS primer tool just like that but i haven't used it yet - still in the box. Extra careful warning light now lit. I can't imagine what he was doing with both hands on the magazine. Inserting it? Whew gives me the willies now.

 

[Im2bent]

Daay-am! I bet that stings. So I just bought a RCBS primer tool just like that but i haven't used it yet - still in the box. Extra careful warning light now lit. I can't imagine what he was doing with both hands on the magazine. Inserting it? Whew gives me the willies now.

People have been using these for a long time no need to panic. It's simple don't get complacent, don't rush, don't get angry if something isn't going right, if something feels off STOP it probably is off.

 

[C-130 Dude]

Daay-am! I bet that stings. So I just bought a RCBS primer tool just like that but i haven't used it yet - still in the box. Extra careful warning light now lit. I can't imagine what he was doing with both hands on the magazine. Inserting it? Whew gives me the willies now.

I use this rcbs auto primer for several years now. When I set it up I saw that it had no primer tube shield. I got a 1/8 thick steel tube and slid it over the primer tube as a primer tube shield. Works well. I had 6 or 7 primers detonate in it on one occasion. The steel primer shield I used held up, directing blast down an up. NOTE to self: keep face away from top of shield. Ears took a beating though. They rang for several months. On inspection, I could not find any certain reason for mishap. No evidence of a sideways primer or similar issue was found. I clean all priming components after every session. I thought it may have been caused by static, so I installed a static discharge wire system connected to an outside grounding brass pole I picked up from the local hardware store. Now all equipment (and myself) using powder or primers is connected to the brass ground via heavy copper cable. All in cost me about $60 for the grounding parts. Cheap insurance. I Haven't had another incident. I still pray I don't screw the pooch an pull a bone head.

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

Natural selection

 

[rayvandervort]

There have been a whole ton of posts in the past few months about folks mixing powders, having nasty overpressure issues, blowed up guns... etc.

Not sure if this is chalked up to new folks in the learning curve, complacency amongst us old guys or just some odd synchronicity.

But it's no-bueno.

Reloading is an OCD hobby. You have to be neat, tidy, keep good records, research your loads... It's not a place to simply 'Go grab something off the Interwebs' Starting low and working high is a mantra. So is utter attention to detail. And record keeping.

If you can't do the above... it's safer to stick to factory ammo. Really. You are doing yourself more harm than good.

If you DO reload it is fulfilling, fun, gratifying and lets you tailor perfect rounds for your rifle. And takes another variable out of the 'How did I miss?' equation. It is one of the most satisfying elements of the precision game.

But if you can't follow some very, very proven rules about caution and attention to detail, it's not for you!

By all means reload. But don't think common sense is enough. You are creating tiny little pipe bombs you are putting next to your face every time you pull the reloading press handle. Let that sink in. Things like Blowed up Serbu's and other YouTube retardness are not cool or funny or amusing or click bait. They should NEVER happen... to folks who use tier-one equipment and following utterly rigid reloading process.

Don't be 'that guy.' Learn and grow and remember that there are old reloaders. And bold reloaders. But no old bold reloaders... to steal a term from flying. And every retard that blows their shit up... is a blight on the shooting sports. Did I mention... don't be that guy?

Cheers,

Sirhr

good advice. One thing to add as to the recent issues where guys mix powder - availability versus got to reload something! DO not do it.

 

[C-130 Dude]

Back when primers were abundant like desert sand, I needed to dispose of some for a gun I didn't reload anymore. Bundled about 20 together in a paper towel and threw them into a burning small metal trash can. Trash can launched itself about a foot off the ground. Gave off quite the report too.

If you ever need to dispose primers again, contact me and I will take them off you.

 

[C-130 Dude]

i am more concerned about the one post showing a brick of primers that went off on their own in the cabinet. What the hell was that about cause I have a shit ton of powder sitting on a shit ton of primers. Mayhaps I need to reevaluate my storage practices.

Yup

 

[Bubs]

I think the reason the whole primer tube goes off--though the actual case being primed is 4" away is spontaneous combustion of built up primer dust in the tube...It's so rare I have'nt figured out another reason.

 

[Mike_in_FL]

When the stack in my Dillon went off they all exploded at once.

I had something similar happen in the 2nd 550 I bought when it was brand new. Set it up to reload 9mm and the whole tube went up but I remember hearing a chain reaction of each setting the next off. The aluminum tube didn't even shrapnel so I guess I should consider myself lucky.

It had been mangling many that it was seating. After changing underwear I called Dillon as I could not adjust the thing to work properly. I'm not at home to find my notes but the issue was there is a measurement that needs to be less than 1.xyz" in the height of the assembly and mine was greater than that. Since that adjustment it's been as good as the first. I don't think I've never not worn eye protection but that made me question not wearing earpro.

 

[Baron23]

I've never had problems with primers blowing up on the bench....that I know of.

Oops, haha

 

[SmartDonkey]

As a previous poster mentioned..... lots of warnings about using federal primers in those setups.... even the lee hand primer recommends only placing 1 federal primer in at a time. I never noticed if it said what brand of primers where used- but if I had to make a guess--

I've never had a primer go off when priming- but after quite a bit of testing came to the conclusion that I'm not giving anything up by not using Federal brand-

 

[forthehunt]

Jesus.

If my wife sees this... better she find some hardcore fetish porn than this. On the same note, how do I clear browser history?

 

[Lefty1121]

I use this rcbs auto primer for several years now. When I set it up I saw that it had no primer tube shield. I got a 1/8 thick steel tube and slid it over the primer tube as a primer tube shield. Works well. I had 6 or 7 primers detonate in it on one occasion. The steel primer shield I used held up, directing blast down an up. NOTE to self: keep face away from top of shield. Ears took a beating though. They rang for several months. On inspection, I could not find any certain reason for mishap. No evidence of a sideways primer or similar issue was found. I clean all priming components after every session. I thought it may have been caused by static, so I installed a static discharge wire system connected to an outside grounding brass pole I picked up from the local hardware store. Now all equipment (and myself) using powder or primers is connected to the brass ground via heavy copper cable. All in cost me about $60 for the grounding parts. Cheap insurance. I Haven't had another incident. I still pray I don't screw the pooch an pull a bone head.

I thought about the steel tube. Glad to hear it worked. A little extra weight probably slows down that annoying bounce as well. The ground wire is a great idea. When I fix or build a PC I always work barefoot. I have found that it eliminates static issues.

 

[C-130 Dude]

I thought about the steel tube. Glad to hear it worked. A little extra weight probably slows down that annoying bounce as well. The ground wire is a great idea. When I fix or build a PC I always work barefoot. I have found that it eliminates static issues.

Couldn't do the barefoot thing. My feet would freeze in my unheated basement. Put a grounding mat down and hooked it up to my static grounding cable. Some folks setup a good grounding system forgetting to include themselves in the grounding solution. I got the grounding mat at a local computer store many years ago. The bounce problem with the rcbs auto primer is annoying. I put a rubber band around the bottom of the primer tube shuttle- anchoring it the the bench. Helps a bit with bounce. Just a thought here...I wonder if the guy that got hurt was holding on to the primer tube to control bounce with his hands when it blew. May explain the injuries. Hmmmm...