Reloading same cartridge for two different rifles

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Hi all-

I have a question about reloading the same round for two different rifles. As it happens, my sizing die can be set at the same place for both rifles for a .0015-.0025 shoulder bump. OAL and powder charge are different. Having never done this before, I just want to confirm whether I should segregate brass between the rifles, or whether since they are resized equally, I can mix brass and then just change my micrometer seater and charge weight for loading. Thanks in advance.
 
Let me just add that both loads are similarly accurate at 100 yards. One has an SD of 6.5, the other of 10.3, but the 10.3 is a much more shootable rifle for me, so it is probably more accurate when actually shot at distance. The split benefits are why I don't seem to be able to settle down with one of the two.
 
I've never done it, but I will be doing it so I'm in the same boat. It seems logical to keep the brass separate, but is one gun a bolt action and the other a semi? If so, I'd keep brass separate. If not, it probably doesn't matter.
Are you using the exact same bullet in each rifle?
 
If full length sizing i wouldn't think it would matter. Your brass is taking the shape of the sizing die regardless of what chamber it came from. Interesting to here other thoughts and experiences.
 
Depends on case headspace measurements which you haven't mentioned..

I would say seperste semi and bolt gun brass but you said both bolt gun so that doesn't matter.

Now deprime 5 pieces of 1x brass fired in each rifle. Measure the first rifles 5 pieces of brass with a case headspace gauge. Write down those 5 numbers and find the average. Do the same with the second rifles 5 pieces..

Do you have the same case headspace for each rifle?

If these measurements are the same for both rifles then mix away.. if they are different I would seperste. You don't want to be pushing the shoulder back .0015-.002 in one rifle but find because of a larger headspace your pushing it back .006-.008 in another rifle. That will over work the brass in that one rifle in turn shortening brass life.
 
I have made the measurements. It pushes back .0015 to .0025 in on and .002 to .003 in the other, so basically a match.
 
I have 2 bolt 6.5 creedmoors the fired cases are within .001. The throats are different so I use different bullets and powder but the cases are mixed with no issues whatsoever.
 
Same here. I have two 6.5 CM Tikkas, one with factory barrel, the other with a PVA barrel, both have 0.001" difference in headspace but different throats. I use the same cases (shoulder backed 0.001") for both but I make different loads and CBTO for each one.
 
I have two .260s and separate brass by number of reloads so it’s just as easy to separate by rifle also however since i full length resize every time I wouldn’t have a problem exchanging brass from one rifle to the other. I used to bump the shoulders but found that bumping the shoulder to minimal demensions was causing problems with bolt cycle. If I was shooting benchrest and had the time to dick with tight rounds then I’d bump. I also shoot a bullet that isn’t sensitive to location from the lands so I could easily tune one load for both but...I’ll keep them separate for now.
 
I have six 223/5.56 rifles, four are AR's (a pair of 24" Stag 6 Super Varminters, and a pair of 16" uppers that swap onto the Stag lowers) and, two are bolt (A 20" MVP Predator, and 24" Savage 11VT) rifles. All have nominally NATO chambers. My 223 700 VLS was my only SAAMI chamber, but that has been passed down to the next generation.

Trying to keep brass and loads segregated per barrel would simply make me bananas. Instead I try to go the other way and make up generic 16" barrel and 24" barrel loads. I have the 20" covered with Fed Fusion MSR 62gr factory ammo; it's a very good match, and I have plenty of satisfaction with the way the 16" barrels shoot that as well. All my rifles except the Savage shoot from AR magazines, and my OAL seldom gets altered from the initial arbitrary mag length minus .010" spec. For the same reason, I measure my COAL at the Projectile Tip instead of at the Ogive.

For the 24" barrels I have a 50gr Nosler BT load, and am reworking my 600yd 75gr HDY HPBT-Match load downward from 24.4gr of Varget to the 23.5gr-23.7gr area. I use the Hornady Match bullet because one of the rifles (the 24" Savage) has a 1:9" twist and the Hornady works well in all the three 24" barrels. The 50gr Nosler load is an absolute screamer, but still holds up fine in the 24" 1:8" Stag barrels.

All of my brass is resized on the same f/l die, with the same generic adjustment (to fit the SAAMI Spec case gauge I have). There are no function issues, and accuracy is very acceptable in each of the rifles. I haven't shot the 75's in the shorter 16" or 20" barrels, but am working up a generic load for them using the Sierra 65gr GameKing; it will be quite near the hotter end of the Hodgdon load guide (63gr data) spectrum. For the most part, the 16" guns are intended for M193 and M855 Mil-Spec ammo.

Are the loads optimal for each barrel? No, but they don't need to be; what accuracy the generic loads provide is certainly good enough to settle for, and the reduction in handloading complexity far outweighs any accuracy gains that unique-to-each-barrel loads would certainly provide.

At my age, I can use all the simplicity I can muster. I think many of us get hung up on the "Most Accuracy at Any Cost" Mantra, when we neither shoot BR, nor have any practical need for BR type accuracy. I prefer adequate accuracy with the least complexity at a reasonable cost.. We trade knowing stares about group sizes, when all we really need to do is effectively defeat our given target, whatever that actually requires.

The greater proportion of my shooting is 223/5.56 these days (the reasons are obvious), and I handload and shoot several hundred rounds of it per week when the weather is bearable. Right now it is not (mornings are cold and afternoons are windy), and come mid-Summer it won't be (with temps in the mid 100's-to one-teens from 9AM or 10AM on).

The altitudes here run about 4000ft to 4500ft ASL, and distinctions between loads tend to run together a bit more than down in the lowlands. Everything carries velocity further.

I also maintain a fair supply of M-1 Garand .30-'06 M-2 150gr Ball Equivalent ammo loaded in Garand clips. Every charge weight is weighed to a .1gr spec, so I consider it all to be match grade.

I love my Garand and shooting it often is one of the greater joys of my Elder years. So stay off my lawn.... (..er, gravel...)

Greg
 
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