That much? I’d imagine getting the action trued even half-assed and barrel nutting a good barrel on it, then shooting good ammo would get you there.
Im not, I know for sure because Ive tried it four times
You are so full of shit. (respectfully)
rem 700 ADL - 380.00
Tier one blueprinting from LRI + side bolt release + time and tig bolt handle - 465
bolt knob install - 65
Total 910 dollars
if you want M16 extractor - 175 for $1085.
Since, according to you, this is TWICE the price of a custom action, please point me in the direction of custom actions that cost 450-550 dollars.
This is how I was figuring it:
That's overdoing it a bit.
That entire list is to replace the items you bought pretty much, which is why I don't generally recommend a 700. That being said, the only thing you can compare when looking at a custom action is action related costs. The barrel, trigger, tools, and all other parts will have to be bought with any action you go with. So you're got the cost of the action/rifle plus $300 in it which is about $600 if you consider $300 for a stock action.
Considering most are basically 700's with fancy ejectors and tight tolerances... yes. If you can't find a part then it would not be too hard to make one. The only things I've ever seen fail on custom actions are older bolt knob designs before they all went to separate internal threads, and triggers that are 700 footprint anyway. Many of them have tens of thousands of rounds on them and still going strong so I think this is a non issue.
It might be a minimal concern, but something I like to consider with certain designs.
Sounds to me that if the Remington 700 didnt leave a path for all these "custom" actions to Clone it and make upgrades to it when being cloned, with no disrespect but they wouldnt know their palm from the back of there hand...good thing the majority of these actions,including the Bergara have alot of dues to pay imho to the 700 being developed in the first place and Thank Remington for giving these "custom" action manufacturer's something to follow and more than enough consumers something to start out with...if the 700 wasn't made and used by the majority of shooters out there for over 50 years, there would be no need to use its "foot print", its style triggers, etc...So why dont these "custom" action manufacturers make there own "foot print" and trigger design and just improve on it all together, make them multilug(more than 2), give it a firing pin blocked safety, a flat bottom instead of round with integral lug ,etc...the best you can? Some custom actions have more improvements than others, but for the most part they are just that, improvements. Engineering wise, go all out, and not screw on just improving on the 700's design and str8 make it obsolete all together dont you think? Oh..but then all that money-making 700 aftermarket support would mean nothing when it means "the World" to a big firearms manufacturer trying to sell to the masses...even the "custom" action manufacturers would rather sell to the masses than jus a few, hence why they use the 700 "foot-print" and with in the last few years made "lower" cost versions of their Custom actions...Money makes this world go round'....im not saying the 700 is this or that,Im saying "it is what it is"... Im saying its being "Cloned" for reasons we Shouldnt be paying for...But we do, because we all want the best, but the Best is basically an Improved Remington 700 action...Splenda is cool but it'll never be Sugar. Buy what makes you Happy. Bash what Doesnt. Take a school trained long-range marksman with a stock 700P and have him go against the "average joe" with the Best machined, hand fitted, and most accurate rifle he can find, same calibers and throw the same scope on both rifles and see who shoots what at any distance more accurately under any time restrictions..now the rifle becomes irrelevant because training is worth more than any custom anything...buy what you can afford and fk the nay-sayers...if a 700 is all you can get, go for it. If a Custom action floats your boat, ride off into the sunset...i own both and they each have their own place in my safe..
I agree for the most part. Current Remington just sucks. As for the whole bit about Remington built it, you're right, but they also piggybacked off Mauser. That's generally the way progress works. You could easily trace pretty much all guns back to bow and arrows with that logic. Does that mean I want to be stuck with it? No.
Appreciate your opinion and I get you, but piggy back off Mauser?, idk about that one. They both were making hunting rifles from the get go. Mauser imho became infamous for their controlled round feed M98 action through "old timers" that had used it in war, hunters and sportsman using it for recreational shooting after the fact and if Remington had to pick its "legend" action it would be the 700 imho, which is altogether different, its push fed not controlled, no claw extractor, way different trigger design, etc...now maybe Ruger's M77/Hawkeye or Kimbers 84 actions' were piggybacked off of Mauser but the 700...? Not in my book. Also to address the Current Remington as a company is crap, QC sucks, etc I cant speak on that and I do know thats a valid point to many that encountered that, but personally I never had to use their cs or their warranty because the 700s I bought(last one in 2011) always shot decent from the factory, did what they were supposed to do...though I rebarreled them for my own preference...after owning some a while.
The line is fairly indirect. They took from Enfield p14/17 and early push feed Mauser designs (1871 and 88 commission rifle)and tried to make them much more machinable and cheaper bearing the 721, which is where the 700 came from.
Yes you are correct, but Mauser was never "known" for their push feed actions reguardless of making them earlier, most notibly as mentioned earlier, their M98 CRF action is what is talked about typically when the word "Mauser" comes up between fellow rifle shooters. When Remington comes up in a rifle convo its always, 700 this or 700 that, but I cant recall ever hearing, "oh yeah, the 700 was cloned off a Mauser push feed that derives off an Enfield..."...when your more likely going to hear," there are more "clones" of a 700 now than ever"...I respect your view though @winklche and appreciate your insight reguardless.
I’m not saying I would win but...pull my finger. No, the one below my belly button
Probably alot more than a 700 in general. Because the 700 is so typically accurized and blue printed its more of a generic process because so many gunsmiths have experience doing it. A good properly trained gunsmith can work on any firearm and do "magic" to accurize it but imho because they most likely havent done as many as say( the hypothetical "other brand" action) itll probably cost more. I bet if you called around and asked different gunsmiths what they charge for accurizing, its the same regurdless of what action, while others probably charge depending on their comfort level and depending on how many they do regularly and know the best gets the lowest cost typically...
Well if your a "casual" fan in the MMA world yeah, you prob dont get it and noprob there it was just a simile..sounds like you got some nice rigs in the works' The Mackbros actions look promising but we as consumers are still on a time wait on them being manufactured, when they will release, then wait on the guinea pigs to report and review..like anything,I hope for the best & expect the worst but thats just me personally...only time will tell.
So they all went and dumped 1k into crappy 700 actions, hmmmm...interesting. So are they now 1k crappy actions or 1k accurized and blueprinted non crappy actions? Are we turning shit into chocolate over here??????Probably...
I was thinking of a stock tikka, that’s the only other factory action I think I’d buy. And using the parts breakdown in skookum’s post as a blueprint, what is the price difference to take both a tikka and a 700 from stock to laser? I know tikka’s are pretty awesome from the factory so do they “need” to be trued? I’ve seen/heard that they don’t really need it. It seems like the action truing and trigger are the only things on that list that are more expensive to get a 700 on par with a tikka from my example. The other things on the list are items that will also be upgraded no matter what the setup is
proofresearch.com
No you won't"Barrel price is barrel price". Really? Lol.
A shouldered steel barrel from Proof Research is $545 MSRP. You'll pay close to that in just labor to most gunsmiths.
Impact Precision 737R & 787R Pre-Fit
Yeah, thats the first 90%. The next 10% is down the rabbit hole.
