Gunsmithing Rem 700 misterious discharge

[lghunt1]

I don't believe all the hype behind the Remington scare stories but this happened to me.

While pig hunting this past week I had my 700 adl discarge while holding it by one hand on the forend. The mussle was in a safe dirrection, no tragic story. When I inspected the gun I noticed it was not on safe. I had placed the gun on safe before crawling through the manzanita and scrub brush. So it must have caught on something. There was nothing caught on the trigger when it went off.

I have since put the gun through multiple function tests, on safe, off safe, bumped and dropped, and still can't duplicate the malfunction. I know that replacing the trigger is the fix for this problem. I am looking for advise on fixes or possible explainations. It does have the old remington trigger in it.

I know there are a lot of you out there with far more knowlege than I and I would appreciate any imput. Thanks

 

[mateofeo85]

Re: Rem 700 misterious discharge

happy to hear no one was hurt. no solution from me but i wish you luck man.

 

[Hellbender]

Re: Rem 700 misterious discharge

Normally, IF the trigger is adjusted properly, a good cleaning will fix this problem.

Old, thick oil on/in the trigger is the most common cause.

If it has been messed with and not adjusted properly, then it needs a trip to someone who knows what they are doing.

 

[kytrapper]

Re: Rem 700 misterious discharge

Glad no one was hurt keep us posted after you get it looked at

 

[SmokeRolls]

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My first guess would be that the trigger was set to light and it got jarred or banged but if it wasn't then clean it good and measure the poundage that the trigger is breaking at if you can.
After you clean it and WITHOUT AMMO in it prime your trigger (like you are going to dry-fire) and then lightly tap the ground with your buttstock or on something soft and then increase the jarring effect to see if your trigger will accidentally go off. I know you already tried bumping and dropping but did you hold the rifle vertical and bring the rifle down onto the buttstock?
Definately get to the bottom of this or a similar situation may occur again with disastrous results.
..Hope this helps and hope you find the problem.
....SmokeRolls

 

[aaronraby1]

Re: Rem 700 misterious discharge

that story was on cnbc this morning...

what hellbender said. give it a good clean..

i know that there is a little tiny screw on the back of the trigger that if adjusted too far out, it will cause it to be really really sensitive and cause it to fire... it should have some kind of glue or something on it to keep it from moving. maybe check that??? i hope that made sense...

 

[lghunt1]

Re: Rem 700 misterious discharge

The trigger is still stock from remington. I will give it a good clean and run it through the function checks again, along with bumping it on the recoil pad...(unloaded of course using snap caps). One thing, I have read a lot about using lighter fluid for cleaning? Is there a certain brand to use? And I am only guessing it is used becuase of its lubrication and solvents properies combined?
Thanks

 

[RTO]

Re: Rem 700 misterious discharge

Try flushing the trigger with lighter fluid. This will help remove any grease and crap and leave a light layer of oil which should be all it needs.

JMHO

 

[RTO]

Re: Rem 700 misterious discharge

Also meant to add that Im glad no one was hurt and two thumbs up for doing your part and being safe!

 

[blakheaven]

Re: Rem 700 misterious discharge

lighter fluid? I dunno but cant that ignite when you fire the weapon if not careful? doesn't safe to me when using firearms lol

 

[JCH]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakheaven</div><div class="ubbcode-body">lighter fluid? I dunno but cant that ignite when you fire the weapon if not careful? doesn't safe to me when using firearms lol</div></div>

Not while it is wet. But once it dries and evaporates you are fine.

 

[BOLTRIPPER]

Re: Rem 700 misterious discharge

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lghunt1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't believe all the hype behind the Remington scare stories but this happened to me.

While pig hunting this past week I had my 700 adl discarge while holding it by one hand on the forend. The mussle was in a safe dirrection, no tragic story. When I inspected the gun I noticed it was not on safe. I had placed the gun on safe before crawling through the manzanita and scrub brush. So it must have caught on something. There was nothing caught on the trigger when it went off.

I have since put the gun through multiple function tests, on safe, off safe, bumped and dropped, and still can't duplicate the malfunction. I know that replacing the trigger is the fix for this problem. I am looking for advise on fixes or possible explainations. It does have the old remington trigger in it.

I know there are a lot of you out there with far more knowlege than I and I would appreciate any imput. Thanks</div></div>





are you fucking serious.......you actually crawl around like some airsoft warrior WITH A FUCKING HOT WEAPON.....and expect us to tell you what is fucking wrong......


dude you need another hobby......knitting or bowling might be a bit better of a hobby before you get someone hurt

 

[SmokeRolls]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lghunt1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't believe all the hype behind the Remington scare stories but this happened to me.

While pig hunting this past week I had my 700 adl discarge while holding it by one hand on the forend. The mussle was in a safe dirrection, no tragic story. When I inspected the gun I noticed it was not on safe. I had placed the gun on safe before crawling through the manzanita and scrub brush. So it must have caught on something. There was nothing caught on the trigger when it went off.

I have since put the gun through multiple function tests, on safe, off safe, bumped and dropped, and still can't duplicate the malfunction. I know that replacing the trigger is the fix for this problem. I am looking for advise on fixes or possible explainations. It does have the old remington trigger in it.

I know there are a lot of you out there with far more knowlege than I and I would appreciate any imput. Thanks</div></div>





are you fucking serious.......you actually crawl around like some airsoft warrior WITH A FUCKING HOT WEAPON.....and expect us to tell you what is fucking wrong......


dude you need another hobby......knitting or bowling might be a bit better of a hobby before you get someone hurt</div></div>
Had a bad day Bolt?
Lay back on the couch and tell me about it.

...SmokeRolls

 

[former naval person]

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I'm with the BT. Don't depend on a safety...especially one that "blocks the sear". If you have to feed a round into the chamber on your final approach, at least keep the bolt handle up. It won't fire that way and is almost silent when you lower it. You can cradle the raised bolt handle and pistol grip in the palm of your carrying arm while you low crawl.

 

[Tripwire]

Re: Rem 700 misterious discharge

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
are you fucking serious.......you actually crawl around like some airsoft warrior WITH A FUCKING HOT WEAPON.....and expect us to tell you what is fucking wrong......


dude you need another hobby......knitting or bowling might be a bit better of a hobby before you get someone hurt </div></div>

+1....bad day or not Bolt is spot on.

Stupidity just can't be fixed, sorry.

It's impossible for a cold chamber to discharge a round.

Knowing there's idiots like this literally crawling around out there makes my skin crawl.

"Mussle" pointed in a safe direction was a saving grace, but just barely.

Lucky is more like it.......

On aside the lighter fluid thing just blows my mind, it's USED ON TRIGGERS BECAUSE it evaporates fast with no residue.

Damn..........

 

[blakheaven]

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Lets stop with the name calling. Everyone makes mistakes and if you live from them (which I agree he was lucky to) you learn from it. He is a fellow shooter so I say treat him accordingly. I would be willing to bet it doesn't happen again. Having said that I know that when dealing with weapons second chances are rare and you shouldn't have to rely on them and in this particular case he was fortunate. my .02

 

[lghunt1]

Re: Rem 700 misterious discharge

I knew those comments where going to come out sooner or later. And I will take it. I am sure there are others who may look at this and change there way of hunting as I will. And I was hesitant to post this knowing some would find fault. I will learn from the experience and thank God no one got hurt. The question I have is what would cause a remington to fire when there was nothing to pull, bump or knock the trigger?

Thanks for all the comments

 

[blakheaven]

Re: Rem 700 misterious discharge

Well obviously some force acted on it cause anything at rest will stay at rest unless acted upon so something happened. You need to answer the questions they asked ie whats the trigger set at? is it dirty? has it been tampered with? ect

 

[LoneWolfUSMC]

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When you "drop test" a trigger, DO NOT be gentle. When I check ours during their inspections I slam the butt pretty hard from 12-18" off of a solid surface (concrete preferably).

I have seen people check triggers before by doing a little 2-3" bounce. That's bullshit because you want the weapon to remain safe when it's DROPPED, not set down.

 

[Sebben]

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I too have had this happen to me.

It was a cold 40 degrees at the shooting range and we decide to break out the Remington 700 in 300 RUM. I chambered a round and dis engaged the safety and the gun went off. my finger was not on the trigger and the gun nearly came off the table but i caught it.

The rifle was pointed down range so no one was hurt.

I then did the same thing dry and it still fired without touching the trigger. My friend took his gun home and we took video of it as soon as we got in. when we went to show some one else about an hour later it had stopped. For some reason this only happened when the gun was cold. we set it outside for a few more hours and yep same thing.

He sent the gun to remington and they said they could not duplicate the problem and that the even put it in a climate control room to attempt to duplicate it. But they replaced the trigger anyway.....

 

[Timo Turl]

Re: Rem 700 misterious discharge

Saw something similar on another forum. Here is a reply pasted for you. He ended up needing a new bolt tube and firing pin:

Some Remington 700's are know to fire from a condition when the safety is on and a round is chambered. If the sear engagement is weak, dirty and crudded, on not properly engaged then the sear will slip off when the safety is move from the safe position to the firing position without touching the trigger. Banging on any Remington 700 with the standard trigger is a good way to cause the sear engagement to slip.

 

[vman]

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Lesson to be learnt from this is not to chamber a round when you dont need it to be chambered...

I know dudes like to be ready, but seriously its one of the better ways to be safe.

Everyone thinks shit like this never happens to them... At some point in 2010 I remember hearing two stories in a matter of a fortnight of two accidental discharges whilst hunting that killed a family member. And this was in my state alone.

Get that trigger looked at, and thank god or the universe that nobody was injured/killed.

 

[Whiskey Tango Foxtrot]

Re: Rem 700 misterious discharge

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lghunt1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
When I inspected the gun I noticed it was not on safe. I had placed the gun on safe before crawling through the manzanita and scrub brush. So it must have caught on something. There was nothing caught on the trigger when it went off.

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If something caught on the safety...
I would suspect "something" caught on the trigger as well.

 

[VJJPunisher]

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I dress up in multicam and low crawl around my back yard just about every weekend, sometimes I see if I can "infiltrate" the neighbors bushes without them knowing and "recon" their hot 18 year old daughter through the window(this is where I point my "muscle" at someone). It is very realistic training but I will say this, I NEVER have a "hot" weapon, sure the mag is loaded but I dont chamber a round. As a matter of fact as an extra safety precausion I take the batteries out as well so there's no way it will fire.

 

[AIS]

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A guy i was elk hunting with this fall chambered a round everytime we went out! We both had the safari slings which keeps the gun in front of you and pointing down. After a couple of days the guy asked why he always is in the lead? I had to tell him that i didn't like having a loaded 270 at my back all day long walking through heavy dead fall!! I should have spoke up sooner.... It was a weatherby but still loaded.. f'n scarey what some people think....

 

[BOLTRIPPER]

Re: Rem 700 misterious discharge

wow.....just fucking wow



some here need to take a hunter safety course at the very least,



'cept VayjayJay.....he got hiz opera-tors license

 

[Sebben]

Re: Rem 700 misterious discharge

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lesson to be learnt from this is not to chamber a round when you dont need it to be chambered...

I know dudes like to be ready, but seriously its one of the better ways to be safe.

Everyone thinks shit like this never happens to them... At some point in 2010 I remember hearing two stories in a matter of a fortnight of two accidental discharges whilst hunting that killed a family member. And this was in my state alone.

Get that trigger looked at, and thank god or the universe that nobody was injured/killed. </div></div>

In my case I was sitting at the bench about to fire. I didn't have the rifle shouldered correctly as I had just sat down. I'm lucky I took my eye out of the scope to disengage the safety. Something I usually don't do.

 

[Tripwire]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakheaven</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lets stop with the name calling. Everyone makes mistakes and if you live from them (which I agree he was lucky to) you learn from it. He is a fellow shooter so I say treat him accordingly. I would be willing to bet it doesn't happen again. Having said that I know that when dealing with weapons second chances are rare and you shouldn't have to rely on them and in this particular case he was fortunate. my .02 </div></div>

I have NO problem calling them as I see 'em, and you'll be HARD pressed to get an apology for it.

Molycoddling stupidity will get someone killed eventually....

Fellow shooter or not, he best learn the harsh truth that a bullet can NEVER be called back.

He's got his second chance now, hope he takes advantage of it....it coulda been me, or my wife, or one of my kids that stopped his "misterious discharge".

He put the round in the chamber, it's ALL on him.........

 

[VJJPunisher]

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mysterious disharge................pretty sure that was how you began life