Rem 700 Triggers???

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Does anybody have any info on replacement trigger for a Rem 700 Sniper Rifle? We have 4 that have the original Rem Trigger and due to potential errant unintentional discharges Admin is contemplating replacing them. Our guys are split from Jewel/Timney. I have heard a few good things about Huber but never seen one in action. Any info would be appreciated.

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#2
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Jewell is the gold standard. I've always heard Jewell is the best and have done a lot of reearch on it. Timney is good too I've heard, but jewell will do you good
 
#3
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Never handled the Huber, but it is reported to be very good stuff. It is a 2-stage, so if you want to stick with single stage for feel and transition, then it may not be what you are looking for. For the most seamless transition from the factory original, the Timney's shoe is very similar to the factory one. They are excellent triggers, and are reported to have a better tolerance for field work than a jewell. The jewell is an awesome trigger when adjusted correctly, but have heard a few agree with me that they have a spongey feel when adjusted in the 2-2.5 pound range. Also, they are a tighter tolerance trigger, so can be more suceptible to dirt or grime failure.

Hope that helps a little

Dave
 
#4
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+1 for DebosDave not to mention the price difference...

$230.00 for a jewel with a safety
$125.00 for a timney with a safety
once again i think you need to decide what you plan on doing with your rifles and whether or not you can live with out the "gold" standard along with the "gold" standard of cleaning.
 
#5
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DebosDave</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The jewell is an awesome trigger when adjusted correctly, but have heard a few agree with me that they have a spongey feel when adjusted in the 2-2.5 pound range. Dave </div></div>

Concur.

The Jewell HVR is not an ideal 2.5 pound trigger. It does best for what it was originally designed. Low let off weights... I had 4 of them at one point, however, my taste run toward a well tuned Remington/Shilen/RifleBasix and a good two stage trigger...fwiw & imho

Regards, Matt.
 
#6
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Yeah I just read the OP again I got the vibe these will be used for field work? The Jewell will need to be babied a little. Like I said in my post, the Timney should be just fine.
 
#7
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You are correct in that it will be used for field work. We currently have a policy in effect that limits poundage to no less than 3.5#. We are looking for triggers that require little to no regular maint. The rifles are currently required to come apart 2X a year for cleaning and inspection, at which time th triggers are cleaned, checked and lubed. Once by me and once by an outside entity for liability reasons. They do generally come apart a few more times due to training in the rain and such, but we would like to be able to stick with that or a near approximation.
 
#8
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Web</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You are correct in that it will be used for field work. We currently have a policy in effect that limits poundage to no less than 3.5#. We are looking for triggers that require little to no regular maint. The rifles are currently required to come apart 2X a year for cleaning and inspection, at which time th triggers are cleaned, checked and lubed. Once by me and once by an outside entity for liability reasons. They do generally come apart a few more times due to training in the rain and such, but we would like to be able to stick with that or a near approximation.
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Look at Rifle Basix, your most cost effective option and its a good trigger with great support.
 
#9
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I'm surprised that you don't just keep the Rem700 triggers. A properly tuned one will work just fine. Are you being forced to go to an aftermarket trigger or can you keep the original ones but have them tuned up?
 
#10
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we aren't being forced to change as of yet, however there is video, and reports are out there of the type of triggers we have firing on the release of the safety. Admin is contemplating it as a liability prevention measure. As a sniper and the user of this trigger, I am trying to get together as much info as i can on possible replacement triggers....what works, what don't, etc... so we don't get stuck with the cheapest "solution" out there.
 
#11
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I would personally replace the old style triggers in any of my rifles, and Timney seems to be a great fit to what you are suggesting as use and maintenance schedule. The old style triggers do have a great feel, and tuned they can be excellent, but they are indeed dangerous in the connector design. There is plenty of reading on the interwebs about it all... just need to do a search. If you aren't cleaning them, the design 'issue' can be amplified.

Timney FTW

DD
 
#13
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I just installed a Rifle Basix and love it. It had a little creep so I installed a steel fluted firing pin assembly from Pacific tool and gauge.
Now it breaks at 2# and I'm in love with it. Very smooth, very happy.
 
#14
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GRIM</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm surprised that you don't just keep the Rem700 triggers. A properly tuned one will work just fine. Are you being forced to go to an aftermarket trigger or can you keep the original ones but have them tuned up? </div></div>

+1

If I'm reading your OP correctly, they are still serviceable and fully operational without any failures to date.

Sending even one of your four OE triggers out for a tune-up would be very cost effective option. Hard to beat in terms of cost vs performance, IMO.
 
#15
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If your a lazy fuck stay away from Jewels, as they do require maintenance, I have shot a couple matches with mine set at 10oz, right now it's set at 1lb, and I think that's about perfect in the stock it's in.
 
#17
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a tune up would likely consist of cleaning and perhaps stoning and polishing critical surfaces. This does little to circumvent the inherent design issue involved in the old style triggers. A fire upon release of safety can still happen in a tuned trigger. Also, they are known to fire when the bolt is closed or when the bolt is opened. Like I said earlier there is much reading to be done on these triggers, even though it is an issue that is widely covered up or eyes are constantly closed to. The BEST solution is to replace the trigger with either a kit or a complete trigger, which removes the connector design from the trigger. JARD makes a replacement/upgrade kit which can be ordered in a set pull weight. This seems to be a great and affordable option.

Ask 10 guys that have been around Remingtons for any period of time, and odds are heavily in favor of one of them having either experienced personally or knowing someone who has experienced a remington going off when it was not intended. There is much defense of the trigger design (not exactly sure why??) saying they just need to be cleaned or adjusted properly. The fact remains that a percentage of the old style triggers were prone to firing failures even in the factory at factory settings.

This is as far as I am going to go into it at this point, if you want to be educated, google is your friend.

there have also been numerous posts here about the issue.

Dave
 
#18
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If your a lazy fuck stay away from Jewels, as they do require maintenance, I have shot a couple matches with mine set at 10oz, right now it's set at 1lb, and I think that's about perfect in the stock it's in. </div></div>

I guess I've just had good luck with Jewells. I've got one of their 2-stage triggers in a .308 Rem 700 (that's right, they made a 2-stage trigger for Rem 700 a few years back). The rifle has well over 8k rounds through it and no problems at all, never an adjustment, cleaning or anything. That includes a bunch of field matches and PR 1&2 at Rifles Only.

That said, I did recently purchase a Huber Concepts trigger and I like it better than the Jewell re "feel". More similar to my AIAW rifles. I hope it'll hold up, we'll see.
 
#19
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All this being said I had a Timney in one of my Rem700's and it was very nice.

Does GA Precision do work on police rigs/triggers? I'd imagine they do... Wasn't George a dept sniper?

Or perhaps Terry Cross at KMW?

Is there such a thing as a certified police armorer seal of approval ? Do you have to send your rigs to a certified police certified armorer for liabilities sake?
 
#20
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Web</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does anybody have any info on replacement trigger for a Rem 700 Sniper Rifle? We have 4 that have the original Rem Trigger and due to potential errant unintentional discharges Admin is contemplating replacing them. Our guys are split from Jewel/Timney. I have heard a few good things about Huber but never seen one in action. Any info would be appreciated.</div></div>

First, remind your Admin that the pre-2006 trigger is in the hands of more military and police snipers than any other trigger. It resides in every M40-M40A5 and M24 used by our military.

The vast majority of the problems with the Remington trigger comes from poor maintenance or untrained monkeying. That's not to say that mechanical failures do not occur. They do, but proper training will prevent injury if a mechanical failure occurs.

Regarding the Jewell trigger. It is a COMPETITION TRIGGER and has no business on a duty rifle. If you are a member of the American Sniper Association (which as a professional sniper you SHOULD BE) request a copy of their newsletter that included an after action report from a accidental discharge with a Jewell trigger. The final determination on the incident was made by Jewell and it was a "dirty trigger".

If you are going to allow your admin to make a choice like that, then just replace the triggers with the Remington X-Mark Pro Adjustable. It is perfectly suitable for a duty rifle. Two of our three department owned LTR's came with them. One came with the standard X-Mark. While I don't prefer them, they work well and were specifically designed to address the issues of the previous design.

A second option that I have been working with is the Timney 510. It feels like the old Remington trigger but with a wider shoe. It also uses a different type of safety designed to prevent the "safety off-discharge" issue.

Now, the best method to address what your admin fears is a practice dubbed "cover safe". When you are not on the rifle ready to fire, keep the bolt handle in the unlocked position. When you close the bolt or release the safety, make sure the weapon is pointed in a safe direction that can absorb and stop a high powered rifle round safely.

It has long been taught to never trust a mechanical safety.

Now I will say it again...<span style="font-weight: bold">There is nothing wrong with a properly maintained factory Remington trigger.</span>

BTW, I just pulled it off my shelf and the incident with the Jewell is in Issue #71 of "Sniper" the ASA/Snipercraft newsletter. If you want to email me I can scan it and email it back to you.
 
#23
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I am surprised that there are not more recommendations for a two stage style of trigger like the CG Jackson or Huber. I thought the beauty of a two stage is you can have a heavy first stage so the rifle is quite safe with a nice light second stage for precision?

I think all the AI rifles have a two stage style of trigger.

Cheers Lachlan
 
#27
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An aftermarket trigger is going to open you up to way more liability. A lawer is going to say you hot rodded your rifles with hair triggers, and an ignorant jury is likely to believe him.

For that reason, I would say stick with factory triggers, just make sure they are maintaned and documented.
 
#28
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gugubica</div><div class="ubbcode-body">An aftermarket trigger is going to open you up to way more liability. A lawer is going to say you hot rodded your rifles with hair triggers, and an ignorant jury is likely to believe him.

For that reason, I would say stick with factory triggers, just make sure they are maintaned and documented. </div></div>

If your objective is to minimize liability, then this is the best advice. Get the latest Remington X-Mark Pro and have them adjusted and certified at the factory. It's a factory trigger and opting for the latest technology that the factory has to offer is the most defendable position from a liability standpoint. Going with any other trigger only increases your liability...unless the manufacturer was willing to stand beside you in court and testify ont he quality and reliability of his product.

I am planning to head this way with our department rifles.
 
#30
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I am using a Jewell in my rifle and it breaks beautifully at all weights i have had it at...from 2 lbs to 10 oz. to make the trigger shoe feel better, i went and got a shoe from Mark Pharr at tumbleweed customs out of san marcos. much better
 
#31
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Brian K. Sain</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Any operational PD guys utilizing 700s and triggers other than the new X Mark Pro, give me a call at the office. ASA recommended trigger weight is no less than 3.5 lbs.

Brian
605-348-5150 </div></div>

This would definitely be a worthwhile call. Great source of information. Thanks for doin what ya do Brian.
 
#32
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<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #FF0000">A POLICE OR MILITARY SNIPER RIFLE IS NOT A BENCH OR COMPETITION RIFLE.</span></span>

We don't get to go home when it rains. We don't get to call a timeout for an equipment issue. We don't get alibi's or do-overs. For you guys who keep recommending COMPETITION triggers, would you drag your rifle through a muggy creek and bet your life that it would work?

Brian was sitting behind me in April at the conference where it was again reinforced that competition triggers do not belong on duty rifles.

Now I don't 100% agree with the stand that all pre-2006 triggers need to be replaced with x-mark triggers. I have not personally witnessed a single Marine Corps M40A1 with any of the much publicized trigger issues. Then again, if you touched one of those screws on that trigger you would loose your billet, and most likely also rank and pay. This doesn't hold true for some Police "Snipers" and many, many, many, civilian tinkerers who proudly announce that they have gotten their factory triggers down to 1 lb. pull weights.

Again for the OP, if liability is the drive to replace the triggers then the X-Mark Pro Adjustable is the trigger to go with. It will also be the least expensive for your armorer to order.
 
#33
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Personaly i like my rifle go bang only and always when i pull the trigger.
I just dont like Jewell or any competition trigger for that reason. I really like old school Remington trigger when its adjusted right.

Im not a police sniper but i can imagine that they are working under huge pressure so maybe you should not have super light trigger pull in first place. 2 stage trigger like Huber might be gtg but i dont have any personal experience.
 
#34
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> would you drag your rifle through a muggy creek and bet your life that it would work?

</div></div>

Yes, but I shoot an AI, 3lbs and two stages, I think there is a lot of merit to that.

1lb triggers do not belong on a tactical rifle (be it duty or competition). I have seen WAY to many UDs at comps with light triggers. A duty rifle is even more important that there is never an oops...
 
#35
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Poundage is not an issue as we are required to be at 3.5lbs. More wondering as to what would be an acceptable replacement trigger for a rifle that will be dragged through the mud. I thank all of you for your input.

web
 
#36
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KingKong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Personaly i like my rifle go bang only and always when i pull the trigger.I just dont like Jewell or any competition trigger for that reason. I really like old school Remington trigger when its adjusted right. </div></div>


I though you indicated you ONLY like your rifle to go bang, only when you pull the trigger?? With the "old school" Remington system, keep the rifle pointed on target when you release the safety, which can act as a trigger intermittently, or when you rack the bolt opening or closing.

Which is worse I wonder, not firing when you want to, or firing when you did not intentionally initiate the discharge?? It kind of sets one up for failure either way, but especially IF you do not actually control the actual instant, time & place the rifle were to go off... Think about that for a moment??


Then Consider, lets Add the other potential factors that one could have on their mind during a call out - Assessment = the situation rapidly degrading - a decision has to be made to regain control of the situation with a single shot fired from a high powered rifle - is there someone behind the target in case of over penetration - same applies, shooting through intermediate barriers, deflection angles, spauling from glass shards in the face of a vic - the list goes on... - the situation continues to degrade, where by, you observe the perp raising a knife to the hostages throat after the threat lets it be known "That it is over"- as you prepare to engage, the F#*king rifle goes off when you release the safety & things go down hill fast from there, as if things were not already bad enough for the operator on scene, or the hostage.

These can, or could be life changing events for officers, that they will be forced to live with the rest of their lives! If a rifle is to fail in a situation like I have attempted to described above, then maybe the failure would be better to "Fail Safe" & not fire, rather than the opposite form of malfunction... Lets give this concept a little further consideration when we make recommendations to others regarding fire controls on duty weapons shall we?

Aug ><>
 
#37
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Augustis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If a rifle is to fail in a situation like I have attempted to described above, then maybe the failure would be better to "Fail Safe" & not fire, rather than the opposite form of malfunction... Lets give this concept a little further consideration when we make recommendations to others regarding fire controls on duty weapons shall we?

Aug ><> </div></div>

Neither failure is acceptable or should be expected in a service weapon. These are not target rifles or hunting rifles. A failure to fire can result in death just as surely as a unintentional discharge.

Additionally a Sniper watching a victim murdered in his scope with a non-functional rifle in his hands will most definitely destroy that officer.

I still assert that the problem here is not the trigger. The problem here is understanding proper maintenance and adjustment. Our military snipers use the factory trigger. They know how to maintain the factory trigger. They know when it needs to be adjusted it goes to someone who knows what they are doing. They are not sitting around thinking that if they turn this screw to reduce their trigger pull they can really impress the guys at the range. They are not coming on the internet bragging that they dialed their stock trigger down to half a pound.

Every law enforcement M700 fire control failure I have encountered has been the result if improper maintenance or improper adjustment. Most of the civilian failures I have heard about from professional gunsmiths or from the factory have been traced back to no maintenance of the trigger group.

Take it as you will. If your shooters don't have confidence in the trigger, then replace it. Lack of confidence in a combat weapon system can be a killer. It pollutes the decision making process.

Just make sure that you are seeking your advice from the right sources. Civilian target shooters may not be the best folks to ask when you are looking for a hard use duty trigger.
 
#38
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Augustis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If a rifle is to fail in a situation like I have attempted to described above, then maybe the failure would be better to "Fail Safe" & not fire, rather than the opposite form of malfunction... Lets give this concept a little further consideration when we make recommendations to others regarding fire controls on duty weapons shall we?

Aug ><> </div></div>

Neither failure is acceptable or should be expected in a service weapon. These are not target rifles or hunting rifles. A failure to fire can result in death just as surely as a unintentional discharge.

Additionally a Sniper watching a victim murdered in his scope with a non-functional rifle in his hands will most definitely destroy that officer.

I still assert that the problem here is not the trigger. The problem here is understanding proper maintenance and adjustment. Our military snipers use the factory trigger. They know how to maintain the factory trigger. They know when it needs to be adjusted it goes to someone who knows what they are doing. They are not sitting around thinking that if they turn this screw to reduce their trigger pull they can really impress the guys at the range. They are not coming on the internet bragging that they dialed their stock trigger down to half a pound.

Every law enforcement M700 fire control failure I have encountered has been the result if improper maintenance or improper adjustment. Most of the civilian failures I have heard about from professional gunsmiths or from the factory have been traced back to no maintenance of the trigger group.

Take it as you will. If your shooters don't have confidence in the trigger, then replace it. Lack of confidence in a combat weapon system can be a killer. It pollutes the decision making process.

Just make sure that you are seeking your advice from the right sources. Civilian target shooters may not be the best folks to ask when you are looking for a hard use duty trigger. </div></div>

Lone Wolf

I have read all of your posts in this thread & giving your points careful consideration as to weather or not I care to get further involved, in what I am sure would be a time consuming venture on my part, to specifically address your assertions & claims that you have raised.

I know more than just a little bit about the background history of this issue, as well as have had my own insider resources to gain certain insight from at one time or another in the past that would allow me to render a fair argument to your claims & assertions, that I suspect would come as a great surprise to many readers, or possibly even yourself??

While I ponder the question of weather I really want to become further involved, or to what degree I care to disclose certain facts surrounding this issue remains to be seen in the near future? With that said, the one thing that strikes me is, I believe you have been misinformed by your resources regarding certain irrefutable facts surrounding this issue. As a LEO, I would recommend you invest some of your time & talent, as such, to determine certain facts through the systematic collection of documented evidence that exists to become truly informed!

As a LEO, I am pretty sure you have been lied too once or twice in the past in course of a investigation that you have conducted? It seems all too often that people are not willing to accept personal, or Corporate responsibility for their direct actions, conduct, or just pi$$ poor decisions that are made that are, or could be a question of potential violations of the laws that are established to protect others. In this instance, from potential bodily harm by laws that are established, that should be applied equally across the board - Not one set of laws for the wealthy, & another for the rest of us - or a Judicial domain where the issue(s) is judged by the merit of one legal citation of law over another, which somehow in the process manages to somehow appear to dilute the facts in a potential attempt to circumvent the ultimate duty of our courts to determine the truth, or right from wrong that is to be ultimately judged in by our Court System, as the facts seem to have become a secondary consideration to the application of law itself.

Do I come across sounding cynical???

IMHO, WE must not circumvent the investigation process to ultimately arrive at the truth for ourselves, or the facts of this issue, that can only be gained though the collection of evidence & not close our minds to what we would like to believe, even if we do not like the outcome, or final results of what we have uncovered through the collection of said evidence. Without this investigative process, there could be no system of applied justice for the crimes that are committed against others!

Because you raised the point in one of your earlier posts if memory serves me correctly, I would also offer you this suggested reading from the "Sniper" Publication - November 2009 - Issue 70 - Titled "When They Come For You".

And I quote:

<span style="font-weight: bold">"A couple things need to be addressed here. First, life teaches us that almost anything is possible. Just because you haven't seen it, doesn't preclude it from being a real possibility. Just when we think we have seen it all, something previously unthinkable happens, causing reasonable people to reexamine their beliefs. A good investigator should always keep an open mind and go where the the evidence leads. Dont be too quick to dismiss the improbable." </span>

Sounds like good - sound advice to live by to me! Who knows, when & if the day should ever come, "when they come for you", then & only then could you potentially have any amount of appreciation for someone like me, with my specialized resources & knowledge in this area, but of course, only if the reported incident & disciplinary, or civil action brought against you, or another member of the brotherhood supported the effort on my part...

Edited to Add:

I wonder who will come forward when they come for me, like I have done for others in past?

Until then, be safe, shoot straight & may your bullet always hit the mark in the defense of others!

Aug ><>
 
#39
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Look into the two stage offered by Xtreme Shooting . A true 4 lever two stage, fully adjustable unit available with a standard Remington trigger shoe or a grooved match type shoe. Not the cheapest, but very well made and above all, Safe. Won't go down to the same letoff minimums as the Jewells but who wants a 2 oz. trigger on a PD rifle ?
Just my .02
 
#40
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We just ordered 40X triggers for all of our PD rifles. Externally adjustable to 3.5 lbs - which is where we want them. Plus, it is a Remington part backed by Remington on a Remington rifle installed by Remington armoreres. The triggers seemed much nicer than the old style remington triggers we were using at armorers school (I also liked the Mark X Pro). The triggers are not particularly expensive, and I don't hear of many problems from them. Seems like a simple fix.

I wouldn't dare put on an aftermarket trigger on a duty rifle any more than I would put a an aftermarket trigger in my duty Glock.
 
#41
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The problem is the 40X trigger does not offer any advantage over the standard trigger. If you are replacing the standard trigger with a 40X trigger due to wear and tear or malfunction then you are just fine.

If you are replacing it due to concerns over liability you are not gaining anything. The X-Mark is the way to go for that.

There is nothing wrong with an aftermarket trigger on a Police Sniper Rifle. It just needs to be the appropriate trigger. If it's durable, consistent and properly maintained then it's going to be difficult for a lawyer to attack it. Sure it will probably be addressed, but if you followed the manufacturers recommendations for installation and maintenance then you should be good to go.

If anyone can point me to a case that hinged on type or weight of trigger I am all ears.
 
#42
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I have 2 jewells and 2 timneys in action right now. While I am not about to throw the jewells away as they are outstanding triggers, I think the Timney's break a little more crisp. This is just my experience. But compared to the factory 700 trigger, I will take either.
 
#43
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The problem is the 40X trigger does not offer any advantage over the standard trigger. If you are replacing the standard trigger with a 40X trigger due to wear and tear or malfunction then you are just fine.

If you are replacing it due to concerns over liability you are not gaining anything. The X-Mark is the way to go for that.

There is nothing wrong with an aftermarket trigger on a Police Sniper Rifle. It just needs to be the appropriate trigger. If it's durable, consistent and properly maintained then it's going to be difficult for a lawyer to attack it. Sure it will probably be addressed, but if you followed the manufacturers recommendations for installation and maintenance then you should be good to go.

If anyone can point me to a case that hinged on type or weight of trigger I am all ears. </div></div>

As I have indicated (behind the scenes), for the reasons Lone Wolf has repeatedly stated - The X Mark Pro, installed ONLY by factory authorized individuals is the ONLY logical answer on SWAT duty rifles, to minimize the liability exposure of Agencies & Officers who employ this weapon system. One easy way to tell what trigger you have is to inspect the trigger bow. The Old, connector design fire control has serrations on the trigger bow. The SPL, or X Mark Pro fire control has a smooth trigger bow.

Aug ><>
 
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