Remington 5R Tactical rifle issues

[Tazman]

Purchased a new 5R 300WM in the tactical line for a hunting rifle. Put 35 rounds throught with every combination I could come up with from 168-210 grain bullets and various powders. The best group I could get was just under 3 inches at 100 yards. I even went and purchased factory Hornady 180 grain soft points and they were just under 4 inches. I have swapped bases from NF to Badger and swapped scopes which were both NF. The extractor broke after the 3rd shot but I expected that and have a Sako extractor ready to be installed. This is the second factory rifle I have purchased in the last 3 years and both have had major issues from the factory. I even had a Timney trigger installed just to see if any difference was noticed. I changed the seat depth from on the lands to 40 off the lands in .005 increments. I sent the first rifle back to Remington and it was joke. They sent it back with no trouble found and the extractor still broken!!lol

The second issue is; no matter what load I use the brass sticks in the chamber. I loaded down to a 190 Berger with 72 grains of H1000 and the brass still sticks. Using new brass or once fired makes no difference. I know there are guys having good luck with these but I have seen nothing good from the quality of Remington in the past 2 rifles. I sent the rifle to a gunsmith today to see if we can figure out what's going on. Has anyone ran into a issue like this? I'm assuming it's a crown or barrel issue but what a PITA!

 

[Megahoser]

Re: Remington 5R Tactical rifle issues

I have the exact same rifle...and my experience couldn't be more opposite. First group out of the rifle was sub 1/2MOA with with BH 190SMKs. I then shot the remaining 15 rounds into a 1/2MOA hole. I now have worked up loads with 210 Bergers, and swapped the trigger for a Timmeny...and accuracy is even better. Hundreds of rounds through it and never an extractor issue. Dunno, maybe you got a lemon. Are you used to shooting Magnums?

 

[fdkay]

Re: Remington 5R Tactical rifle issues

Sorry to hear about your problems.
I have a .308 and it shoots exceptionally well.

Every one puts out a turd, unfortunately, you appear to be a turd magnet.

FWIW, I would never put a Sako extractor in a remington bolt.

 

[Tazman]

Re: Remington 5R Tactical rifle issues

I shoot alot of 338 lapua out of my DTA and my 338AX. I put the rifle in a bag set up just to see if I was having a bad day or week in this case. I think the brass sticking in the chamber is the key but hopefully the gunsmith will see something for sure. I really like the rifle but my luck must be bad with new factory rifles. I feel like I have done everything I can do at this point to eliminate the variables I can control.

The wife thinks I'm pulling the shots just to justify my custom rifles but I assure you that is not the case!!lol

 

[JB02]

Re: Remington 5R Tactical rifle issues

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fdkay</div><div class="ubbcode-body">unfortunately, you appear to be a turd magnet</div></div>
Before jumping to this conclusion, did you try any premium factory ammunition? Everybody runs into some trouble, and factory ammo is a good indicator in narrowing the problem to a reloading issue or a rifle issue.

 

[fdkay]

Re: Remington 5R Tactical rifle issues

I said that because he mentioned that the last two rifles have had problems.

While I wouldn't expect 180 soft point ammo to be half moa, I would figure it would be far less than 4 moa.

 

[STR]

Re: Remington 5R Tactical rifle issues

The worst, cheapest ammo should shoot way better than 3 MOA at 100 yards unless you're shooting off hand, which I know you're not. That rifle has an issue, and you did good to send it to a pro. The question is, who, and do they specialize in bolt guns? The problem might be simple, or as bad as a damaged barrel. Hopefully you will soon have an answer. Shame on Remington for returning a non functioning rifle to a customer.

 

[Tazman]

Re: Remington 5R Tactical rifle issues

I went and bought Hornady factory 180 grain soft points just to see if I was way off base on the reloading but they looked like a shot gun pattern. GAP has always done all my work but I used a local gunsmith that has a good reputation and specializes in bolt guns. I was afraid GAP wouldn't be able to turn it around in a short time do to how busy they are. I'm not one to bash and everyone makes a mistake at some point but like the previous post said..."I must be a terd magnet for factory rifles"!!lol

I should have an answer in about 2-3 weeks as to what is going on. I tried everything I could think of to correct the issue but I think it is something with the rifle at this point.

One thing I should mention is that I could push really hard on the side the bolt and it would grab the shell to extract it but if you don't do that....it will not extract the shell case.

 

[klf]

Re: Remington 5R Tactical rifle issues

My 5R is a tack driver. Sounds like you got a lemon. However being the recoil wuss I am, 4" with a 300 win mag sounds about right.

 

[Tazman]

Re: Remington 5R Tactical rifle issues

Shoot my TAC50...that has a little recoil!!lol But is does hold a much better group than the 300WM.

I was looking for information and I don't want this to be a bashing of anyones product. I will get it resolved...with some assistance. I just hope I don't end up with 3K in a 1k rifle when it's done.

 

[JB02]

Re: Remington 5R Tactical rifle issues

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: klf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sounds like you got a lemon. </div></div> Yes indeed.

 

[seanh]

Re: Remington 5R Tactical rifle issues

35 rounds, that's it? Did you do any break in procedure?

I'd examine the case...look at primer strike, how far off is it; neck; is it straight when you spin it? I either roll it on a glass table or prop balancer and look for wobble in the neck. mike the case and see if it's overly expanded.

do you full length resize or just neck size?

I've had sticking cases in rifles...typically I'll fix it with a little polishing (not too much because sometimes too much will cause cases to stick too)

has anyone else shot it? I'm not doubting your skills, just sometimes we get frustrated and end up chasing a problem that isn't there.

I can't tell you how many guns I've "Fixed" where all I did was clean, very minor trigger work, retorque everything and proceed to shoot tighter groups. After I showed the target to the customer, they shot tight groups..so did the customer.

 

[Tazman]

Re: Remington 5R Tactical rifle issues

I did the MY normal break in with 1 round then clean for the first 5 rounds then 3-5 rounds and clean. I set the sholder back .001-.003 with a full length sizer. 35 rounds is a lot when you consider the groups never got any better. As I stated, there seems to be a issue with the chamber but the brass doesn't really give a defined direction. I did neck turn 3 rounds just to see if the brass would stick and it did. I didn't let anyone else shoot it but I have never had any issues with dialing one in.

I'm sure a chamber polish and re-cutting the crown will be the first things tried but I don't know yet. I can't believe it would need a new barrel but my luck hasn't been good with 300 WM factory rifles

 

[6brshooter]

Re: Remington 5R Tactical rifle issues

If u tried 3-5 different bullets, different charge weights, and 9 different oal, all in 35 rds. Your load work ups are suspect at best. Try some fgmm or BH's and see where u are at with good ammo. Check out what is most popular 300wm handload and try those. The extractor breaking and case extracting issues could be tied together or can be a sure sign of chamber being non concentric to bore. I am not a Remington fanboy at all, and my 5r 308 was 1 moa on a good day with 300+rds of different load work ups. 6 different bullets 4 powders, and 4-5 different oal. Found out that the bore centerline was off .050" from OD. It is nice to find a load inside off 35 rds, but that is why a match barrel is a match barrel. This is a premium factory barrel, ha ha.

 

[Aimsmall55]

Re: Remington 5R Tactical rifle issues

I have a bone stock 5r in .300 win mag. My loads are 76.2 h1000 210 vld at 2.912" to ogive. 2865 fps and a tack driver.

Also shoot 208 amax with 72.4 r22 at 3.595" coal. At 2900 fps. Shoots better than 210 vlds.

Also it took me about 100 rounds for mine to start shooting consistent 1/2 moa groups. To be honest I too was scared I got a bad one too but after playing enough with different loads and shooting it enough it proved to be as good a rifle as any I own.

Take it to a gunsmith and get it checked out bc something isn't right. I'd say more like way off

Also, not saying there's not something wrong with your rifle, but in my experience the 700's start shooting better after 100 rounds or so.

Good luck and sorry about your rifle. 700's these days is like flipping a coin, some will shoot ... Some won't.

 

[JAAM12]

Re: Remington 5R Tactical rifle issues

I would follow the above suggestions. Also ck your action screew torqs. And how does it shoot at the longer ranges? I have 700P that does not shoot great at 100yd but I am just starting to play with it. I would order a new barrel and have it ready to install once the barrel is done or you decide to change it away. But try some target or match loads first. Good shooting.

Regards

 

[seanh]

Re: Remington 5R Tactical rifle issues

I'd get another 50 rounds and just shoot end on end, clean powder/carbon and then see what it does.

Go back and look at primer dimple (within spec or majorly out of line?), case neck wobble to see for alignment...you'll need to spin the case for this.

If you can...neck size only and see what happens.

 

[my human host]

Re: Remington 5R Tactical rifle issues

When you say that the brass is sticking, do you mean that the extractor doesn't grab at all or that the case is actually stuck in the chamber and the extra effort required causes the extractor to hop over the rim?

 

[Tazman]

Re: Remington 5R Tactical rifle issues

The best load that measured just under 3 inches was 75.6 grains of H1000 and a 210 berger. I tried changing the seat depth but the group didn't change. The load I want to shoot is H1000 and a Berger bullet. Most groups were just under 3.5 inches.

The brass sticks in the chamber even if you take a piece of new Winchester or Hornady brass and chamber it. The bolt would open fine but you have to strick the bolt backwards to get the brass to come out. It won't just pull back. Loaded or not...the brass sticks. I will let everyone know what they find as the issue even if it's something I did. Brass shows no pressure signs to indicate a charge issue. I'm not giving up on it, we will get it shooting one way or another.

 

[my human host]

Re: Remington 5R Tactical rifle issues

Very interesting. Please let us know how this plays out. I suspect you're going to end up either setting the barrel back or buying a new tube. Just a guess, tho.

Fdkay is right about the Sako extractor. If you have a high pressure mishap the extractor can become a projectile. I have one in a 700 and it works fine, but I'm careful not to push the rifle hard.

Good luck.