Remington 700 Police .308 (My Dream Come True)

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Dreams really do come true!

With the convergence of circumstances, I have finally been able to purchase a Remington 700P (Police) in .308 Win, one of my dream guns. Those converged forces being a decent bonus check, a local dealer's sale and a loving wife's approval. I have wanted a 700P since it was called the 700PSS (Police Sharp Shooter). This is the version of the Remington 700 that would turn me into a covetous sinner, in every movie or TV show that showed a LEO or military sharpshooter taking aim at a foe.

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Why is the Remington 700 Police more of a dream rifle than other 700's or other brands? The Remington 700P adds features to the base 700 that should cost MUCH more than it does, but Remington has kept the cost down to make it affordable to LE agencies.

Features like:
<ul style="list-style-type: disc">[*]Barrel: A Heavy parkerized 26" bull-barrel with a 1 in 12 twist[*]Stock: A H-S Precision stock reinforced with Du Pont Kevlar and fiberglass[*]Bedding: The stock is laid up around an aircraft-grade aluminum bedding block that runs up the entire length of the receiver[*]Trigger: Remington's best 40-X trigger system (Not all 700P's or PSS's come with this trigger system)[/list]

Don't ask what glass I'm using... OK! Fine! I'm using a Center Point 4x16x40 until I can afford a Kahles Helia CL scope... More dreams.

I'll post some range results soon.

Sometimes, life really is but a dream...
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Update 10/17

<span style="font-weight: bold">The Dream Continues!</span>

I could not be happier with this new 700P. Even though I am still breaking in the barrel, which is a long and arduous process, I was still able to get some accuracy testing in. The group below 3-shot group was at the end of a 20 shot break-in session, and I was shocked at the result.

My break-in process is as follows:

<ul style="list-style-type: disc">[*]First 10 shots - Clean the barrel between each shot with copper solvent, Hoppes #9 and then Ammonia free Windex. This takes dozens of patches on each cleaning.[*]Second 20 Shots - Clean the barrel between each 2 shots, with the same procedure as above. This is where I ended my range time today.[*]Third 50 Shots - Clean the barrel between each 5 shots, with the same procedure as above. I will complete this next week, and then the barrel will be broken in.[/list]

101710dimegroup.jpg


If I am dreaming... Don't wake me up!
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Update 10/19

I can hear Aerosmith singing "Dream on" in the back of my head.

I finally finished the break-in process of my barrel... Wise or not, it is now done. I can only say that I am uber-happy with the way this Remington 700 P performs. Below is the final 5-shot group as I ended the break-in process, and I have to say that I am more than pleased.

101910dimegroup.jpg

What does it mean when the flyer hits your POA? :rolleyes:
 
#2
Re: Remington 700 Police .308 (My Dream Come True)

Very nice! never 2nd guess or complain about your glass... I fit works~ it works period...from the looks of the groups yours is working...

Save up----for different glass is fine...does not need to be a Kahles though... SS scopes are nice...the 3-9...Leupold M3 or M1's 3-10 or 4-14, Wotac (from Wonderoptics), Falcon Menace (has a following)

good luck
 
#5
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Looks like it's shooting pretty good, I see this is your first post and I'm sure you've probably been on the site prior to becoming a member, but check out the barrel break in procedures in the gunsmith section. Go ahead and shoot your gun, it's shooting pretty good already considering the scope you have lol. The Kahles scopes are nice, I don't know too much about them but for the price I would look into a Leupold or Sightron Siii or something along those lines. But hey, it's your gun do what you want with it!
 
#6
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Good job on the rifle that was alot of shooters's first including mine.
They shoot like a gang busters as you can attest.
 
#7
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Nice gun you got there! and nice shooting too. I cant belive your CP scope is working like that. I tried one a while back on my savage 10 in .308, and my shots were all over the target if they even hit it. Maybe I just got a bad one. Now I just stick with the SS scopes. For the money you cant beat them I actually still have the CP scope and Im going to try it on my AR-15.
 
#16
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Thanks for the good words guys.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Congrats and welcome to the club
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Never realised some 700P's come with a 40x trigger... was this a special order of some sort?</div></div>

I'm not sure if Remington is making a complete switch over to the 40x for all new 700P's or if this was a one-off purchase by my local dealer. This dealer always seems to have one outrageous deal every fall... This year it is the 700P.

During this sale, I bought a 700P, as did my son and two friends from work. All of them came with the 40x trigger system. This sale is still ongoing at Midwest Gun Exchange in Mishawaka, Indiana, and the 700P's are on sale for $749... It was a deal I just had to jump on, and I'm glad I did.
 
#17
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Great first post. Lol

Those 700P's just plain shoot, and the stock is comfortable as well. I have 2 Remington 700P's and that was actually my first LR rifle.

You did good, I say wear that bitch out and enjoy the smiles.
 
#19
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Falar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You could have saved yourself a lot of time by skipping "break-in".</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bvmoney</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nice groups. Just shoot it. Skip "break in".</div></div>

This is taken from from Kreiger's website, They may know a just little more about barrels than the rest of us.

"With any premium barrel that has been finish lapped -- such as your Krieger Barrel --, the lay or direction of the finish is in the direction of the bullet travel, so fouling is minimal. This is true of any properly finish-lapped barrel regardless of how it is rifled. If it is not finish-lapped, there will be reamer marks left in the bore that are directly across the direction of the bullet travel. This occurs even in a button-rifled barrel as the button cannot completely iron out these reamer marks.

Because the lay of the finish is in the direction of the bullet travel, very little is done to the bore during break-in, but the throat is another story. When your barrel is chambered, by necessity there are reamer marks left in the throat that are across the lands, i.e. across the direction of the bullet travel. In a new barrel they are very distinct; much like the teeth on a very fine file. When the bullet is forced into the throat, copper dust is released into the gas which at this temperature and pressure is actually a plasma. The copper dust is vaporized in this gas and is carried down the barrel. As the gas expands and cools, the copper comes out of suspension and is deposited in the bore. This makes it appear as if the source of the fouling is the bore when it is actually for the most part the new throat. If this copper is allowed to stay in the bore, and subsequent bullets and deposits are fired over it; copper which adheres well to itself, will build up quickly and may be difficult to remove later. So when we break in a barrel, our goal is to get the throat polished without allowing copper to build up in the bore. This is the reasoning for the "fire-one-shot-and-clean" procedure.

Barrels will vary slightly in how many rounds they take to break in because of things like slightly different machinability of the steel, or steel chemistry, or the condition of the chambering reamer, etc. . . For example a chrome moly barrel may take longer to break in than stainless steel because it is more abrasion resistant even though it is the same hardness. Also chrome moly has a little more of an affinity for copper than stainless steel so it will usually show a little more "color" if you are using a chemical cleaner. (Chrome moly and stainless steel are different materials with some things in common and others different.) Rim Fire barrels can take an extremely long time to break in -- sometimes requiring several hundred rounds or more. But cleaning can be lengthened to every 25-50 rounds. The break-in procedure and the clearing procedure are really the same except for the frequency. Remember the goal is to get or keep the barrel clean while polishing out the throat.

Finally, the best way to break-in the barrel is to observe when the barrel is broken in; i.e. when the fouling is reduced. This is better than some set number of cycles of "shoot and clean" as many owners report practically no fouling after the first few shots, and more break-in would be pointless. Conversely, if more is required, a set number would not address that either. Besides, cleaning is not a completely benign procedure so it should be done carefully and no more than necessary."

 
#20
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Jesus H. Christ, how did this turn into a break in vs no break in tread...

Who cares if it's unnecessary or not, he's not going to hurt his rifle by doing it. He's getting trigger time!
 
#21
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jesus H. Christ, how did this turn into a break in vs no break in tread...

Who cares if it's unnecessary or not, he's not going to hurt his rifle by doing it. He's getting trigger time! </div></div>

True, and it looks like the break-in did not hurt it one bit.

Nice shooting and it looks like the scope is doing just fine until you can afford what you want.
 
#22
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jakhamr81</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Falar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You could have saved yourself a lot of time by skipping "break-in".</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bvmoney</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nice groups. Just shoot it. Skip "break in".</div></div>

This is taken from from Kreiger's website, They may know a just little more about barrels than the rest of us.

"With any premium barrel that has been finish lapped -- such as your Krieger Barrel --, the lay or direction of the finish is in the direction of the bullet travel, so fouling is minimal. This is true of any properly finish-lapped barrel regardless of how it is rifled. If it is not finish-lapped, there will be reamer marks left in the bore that are directly across the direction of the bullet travel. This occurs even in a button-rifled barrel as the button cannot completely iron out these reamer marks.

Because the lay of the finish is in the direction of the bullet travel, very little is done to the bore during break-in, but the throat is another story. When your barrel is chambered, by necessity there are reamer marks left in the throat that are across the lands, i.e. across the direction of the bullet travel. In a new barrel they are very distinct; much like the teeth on a very fine file. When the bullet is forced into the throat, copper dust is released into the gas which at this temperature and pressure is actually a plasma. The copper dust is vaporized in this gas and is carried down the barrel. As the gas expands and cools, the copper comes out of suspension and is deposited in the bore. This makes it appear as if the source of the fouling is the bore when it is actually for the most part the new throat. If this copper is allowed to stay in the bore, and subsequent bullets and deposits are fired over it; copper which adheres well to itself, will build up quickly and may be difficult to remove later. So when we break in a barrel, our goal is to get the throat polished without allowing copper to build up in the bore. This is the reasoning for the "fire-one-shot-and-clean" procedure.

Barrels will vary slightly in how many rounds they take to break in because of things like slightly different machinability of the steel, or steel chemistry, or the condition of the chambering reamer, etc. . . For example a chrome moly barrel may take longer to break in than stainless steel because it is more abrasion resistant even though it is the same hardness. Also chrome moly has a little more of an affinity for copper than stainless steel so it will usually show a little more "color" if you are using a chemical cleaner. (Chrome moly and stainless steel are different materials with some things in common and others different.) Rim Fire barrels can take an extremely long time to break in -- sometimes requiring several hundred rounds or more. But cleaning can be lengthened to every 25-50 rounds. The break-in procedure and the clearing procedure are really the same except for the frequency. Remember the goal is to get or keep the barrel clean while polishing out the throat.

Finally, the best way to break-in the barrel is to observe when the barrel is broken in; i.e. when the fouling is reduced. This is better than some set number of cycles of "shoot and clean" as many owners report practically no fouling after the first few shots, and more break-in would be pointless. Conversely, if more is required, a set number would not address that either. Besides, cleaning is not a completely benign procedure so it should be done carefully and no more than necessary."

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This was posted by Gale McMillan 11 years ago on "thefiringline":


The break in fad was started by a fellow I helped get started in the barrel business . He started putting a set of break in instructions in ever barrel he shipped. One came into the shop to be installed and I read it and the next time I saw him I asked him What was with this break in crap?. His answer was Mac, My share of the market is about 700 barrels a year. I cater to the target crowd and they shoot a barrel about 3000 rounds before they change it. If each one uses up 100 rounds of each barrel breaking it in you can figure out how many more barrels I will get to make each year. If you will stop and think that the barrel doesn't know whether you are cleaning it every shot or every 5 shots and if you are removing all foreign material that has been deposited in it since the last time you cleaned it what more can you do? When I ship a barrel I send a recommendation with it that you clean it ever chance you get with a brass brush pushed through it at least 12 times with a good solvent and followed by two and only 2 soft patches. This means if you are a bench rest shooter you clean ever 7 or 8 rounds . If you are a high power shooter you clean it when you come off the line after 20 rounds. If you follow the fad of cleaning every shot for X amount and every 2 shots for X amount and so on the only thing you are accomplishing is shortening the life of the barrel by the amount of rounds you shot during this process. I always say Monkey see Monkey do, now I will wait on the flames but before you write them, Please include what you think is happening inside your barrel during break in that is worth the expense and time you are spending during break in
 
#23
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Falar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jakhamr81</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Falar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You could have saved yourself a lot of time by skipping "break-in".</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bvmoney</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nice groups. Just shoot it. Skip "break in".</div></div>

This is taken from from Kreiger's website, They may know a just little more about barrels than the rest of us.

"With any premium barrel that has been finish lapped -- such as your Krieger Barrel --, the lay or direction of the finish is in the direction of the bullet travel, so fouling is minimal. This is true of any properly finish-lapped barrel regardless of how it is rifled. If it is not finish-lapped, there will be reamer marks left in the bore that are directly across the direction of the bullet travel. This occurs even in a button-rifled barrel as the button cannot completely iron out these reamer marks.

Because the lay of the finish is in the direction of the bullet travel, very little is done to the bore during break-in, but the throat is another story. When your barrel is chambered, by necessity there are reamer marks left in the throat that are across the lands, i.e. across the direction of the bullet travel. In a new barrel they are very distinct; much like the teeth on a very fine file. When the bullet is forced into the throat, copper dust is released into the gas which at this temperature and pressure is actually a plasma. The copper dust is vaporized in this gas and is carried down the barrel. As the gas expands and cools, the copper comes out of suspension and is deposited in the bore. This makes it appear as if the source of the fouling is the bore when it is actually for the most part the new throat. If this copper is allowed to stay in the bore, and subsequent bullets and deposits are fired over it; copper which adheres well to itself, will build up quickly and may be difficult to remove later. So when we break in a barrel, our goal is to get the throat polished without allowing copper to build up in the bore. This is the reasoning for the "fire-one-shot-and-clean" procedure.

Barrels will vary slightly in how many rounds they take to break in because of things like slightly different machinability of the steel, or steel chemistry, or the condition of the chambering reamer, etc. . . For example a chrome moly barrel may take longer to break in than stainless steel because it is more abrasion resistant even though it is the same hardness. Also chrome moly has a little more of an affinity for copper than stainless steel so it will usually show a little more "color" if you are using a chemical cleaner. (Chrome moly and stainless steel are different materials with some things in common and others different.) Rim Fire barrels can take an extremely long time to break in -- sometimes requiring several hundred rounds or more. But cleaning can be lengthened to every 25-50 rounds. The break-in procedure and the clearing procedure are really the same except for the frequency. Remember the goal is to get or keep the barrel clean while polishing out the throat.

Finally, the best way to break-in the barrel is to observe when the barrel is broken in; i.e. when the fouling is reduced. This is better than some set number of cycles of "shoot and clean" as many owners report practically no fouling after the first few shots, and more break-in would be pointless. Conversely, if more is required, a set number would not address that either. Besides, cleaning is not a completely benign procedure so it should be done carefully and no more than necessary."

</div></div>

This was posted by Gale McMillan 11 years ago on "thefiringline":


The break in fad was started by a fellow I helped get started in the barrel business . He started putting a set of break in instructions in ever barrel he shipped. One came into the shop to be installed and I read it and the next time I saw him I asked him What was with this break in crap?. His answer was Mac, My share of the market is about 700 barrels a year. I cater to the target crowd and they shoot a barrel about 3000 rounds before they change it. If each one uses up 100 rounds of each barrel breaking it in you can figure out how many more barrels I will get to make each year. If you will stop and think that the barrel doesn't know whether you are cleaning it every shot or every 5 shots and if you are removing all foreign material that has been deposited in it since the last time you cleaned it what more can you do? When I ship a barrel I send a recommendation with it that you clean it ever chance you get with a brass brush pushed through it at least 12 times with a good solvent and followed by two and only 2 soft patches. This means if you are a bench rest shooter you clean ever 7 or 8 rounds . If you are a high power shooter you clean it when you come off the line after 20 rounds. If you follow the fad of cleaning every shot for X amount and every 2 shots for X amount and so on the only thing you are accomplishing is shortening the life of the barrel by the amount of rounds you shot during this process. I always say Monkey see Monkey do, now I will wait on the flames but before you write them, Please include what you think is happening inside your barrel during break in that is worth the expense and time you are spending during break in </div></div>
This information from Gale McMillan is the information that I base my opinion on. It's been quite liberating as well as controversial when I'm at the range with those that never read this.

You've got a winner there with your 700P. I posted the same on the "other" forum too. (I think I warned about the "Break-in" thing too) Just enjoy it. If you want to break it in, break it in. There should be no ill effects from it as long as you use a bore-guide and a good coated rod. Cleaning with a steel or fiberglass rod and no bore-guide can and will destroy your barrel.
 
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I will conclude my "dream" 700 Police post with a final picture. This is a 3-shot group in stiff wind, where my scope (As cheap as it is) and barrel are finally dialed-in.

3shotsondot.jpg


Now back to livin' the dream.
smile.gif
 
#29
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I bought myself a 700P and couldn't be happier like you said. Now its all about getting trigger time and wearing out the barrel till the upgrades come in....
 
#30
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: oneshot onekill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This information from Gale McMillan is the information that I base my opinion on. It's been quite liberating as well as controversial when I'm at the range with those that never read this.

You've got a winner there with your 700P. I posted the same on the "other" forum too. (I think I warned about the "Break-in" thing too) Just enjoy it. If you want to break it in, break it in. There should be no ill effects from it as long as you use a bore-guide and a good coated rod. Cleaning with a steel or fiberglass rod and no bore-guide can and will destroy your barrel. </div></div>

I also posted on another forum (1911forum) about the break-in. Welcome to snipershide gglass, from a fellow new-guy. You're going to love this site for all the great info and folks here. It's definitely my "go-to" site for long range shooting and rifle questions.

And again, congrats on the new rifle and I hope she gives you many years of enjoyment.
 
#32
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gglass</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I knew I could do it!

At 100-yards, I just needed to adjust the scope 1/4 Minute-of-Dime to get there.
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dimeat100yards.jpg
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Nice!... Now take it out further. I have a nickel on my keychain I poked at 300yds. Not braggin'... It took 3 shots to do it but it makes an interesting conversation piece. Actually, most non-shooters don't believe it was 300yds out. That's OK...
 
#36
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after reading your post I am ready to sell my GAP and buy a PSS lol. It sounds like you are a salesman for Remington. Looks like a great set up for the money.
 
#37
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gglass</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for the good words guys.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Congrats and welcome to the club
smile.gif


Never realised some 700P's come with a 40x trigger... was this a special order of some sort?</div></div>

I'm not sure if Remington is making a complete switch over to the 40x for all new 700P's or if this was a one-off purchase by my local dealer. This dealer always seems to have one outrageous deal every fall... This year it is the 700P.

During this sale, I bought a 700P, as did my son and two friends from work. All of them came with the 40x trigger system. This sale is still ongoing at Midwest Gun Exchange in Mishawaka, Indiana, and the 700P's are on sale for $749... It was a deal I just had to jump on, and I'm glad I did. </div></div>

$749 is a great price! $200 cheaper than what they run around here.
 
#38
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobcatT870</div><div class="ubbcode-body">after reading your post I am ready to sell my GAP and buy a PSS lol. It sounds like you are a salesman for Remington. Looks like a great set up for the money. </div></div>

His profile says he is in marketing...probably has something do with why he comes off that way.
 
#39
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Falar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobcatT870</div><div class="ubbcode-body">after reading your post I am ready to sell my GAP and buy a PSS lol. It sounds like you are a salesman for Remington. Looks like a great set up for the money. </div></div>

His profile says he is in marketing...probably has something do with why he comes off that way. </div></div>

Good call! It is hard to turn off sometimes.
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#40
Re: Remington 700 Police .308 (My Dream Come True)

gglass,

Great purchase! Like many others here, the 700P was my first long range target stick. I won my first 1000 yd F Class match with it and there's no way I'll ever sell it despite "replacing" it with a custom .308 a few years back.

Good shooting!
 
#41
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Another update:

This is my best 100 yard Sub-MOA group from my Remington 700 Police .308 Win. This is a 3-shot group, which measures 0.263 MOA (measured with calipers), and done with 15 mph winds.

0375moa.jpg


Platform:
finishedr700p1.jpg


Did I mention that I love this rifle?
 
#43
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Print out the "Practical Tactical" snipers hide target and go nuts on that.

Report back with results
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</div></div>

Where is that target on the website?
 
#45
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Outstanding deal on that 700p. I have one I purchased at around that price 12 years ago and is still more rifle than I'll ever need inside of 1000yds. I still find it amazing what these rifles can do out of box. ENJOY !!!
 
#46
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BTW as you obviously already discovered the Federal GMM 168 feel like they were created for this rifle and will serve you fine out 600yds. Above that the Federal GMM 175's also work outstanding thru this rifle. Look to start reloading if you can.
 
#47
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Print out the "Practical Tactical" snipers hide target and go nuts on that.

Report back with results
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You are a mean man... I just saw some results of that target a couple of days ago. It does look like quite a challenge.

I just might do it, if you double dog dare me.
 
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