I have the 5R 300WM Remington 700 . The stock trigger is horriffic to say the least , the trigger pull is so inconsistant sometimes I look to see if the saftey is on . Any ideas ?
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Re: Remington 700
If you are asking what to do about a factory Remington trigger you eould be better off taking it to a good smith.
If you are asking what to do about a factory Remington trigger you eould be better off taking it to a good smith.
Re: Remington 700
Huber, Hands down the best trigger on the market....
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2142573#Post2142573
Huber, Hands down the best trigger on the market....
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2142573#Post2142573
Re: Remington 700
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kingtiger88</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have the 5R 300WM Remington 700 . The stock trigger is horriffic to say the least , the trigger pull is so inconsistant sometimes I look to see if the saftey is on . Any ideas ? </div></div>
Clean it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kingtiger88</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have the 5R 300WM Remington 700 . The stock trigger is horriffic to say the least , the trigger pull is so inconsistant sometimes I look to see if the saftey is on . Any ideas ? </div></div>
Clean it.
Re: Remington 700
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kingtiger88</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have the 5R 300WM Remington 700 . The stock trigger is horriffic to say the least , the trigger pull is so inconsistant sometimes I look to see if the saftey is on . Any ideas ? </div></div>
Clean it. </div></div>
Why try something simple and inexpensive first... ?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kingtiger88</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have the 5R 300WM Remington 700 . The stock trigger is horriffic to say the least , the trigger pull is so inconsistant sometimes I look to see if the saftey is on . Any ideas ? </div></div>
Clean it. </div></div>
Why try something simple and inexpensive first... ?
Re: Remington 700
KT88
In the interest of isolating the problem, or a trend I have observed, I have a few questions to ask initially:
1. What fire control design do you have?
a. version with the trigger connector - pre 2006 (Serrated Trigger Bow)
b. Newer Version - post 2006 production - X Mark Pro (Smooth Trigger Bow)
2. Did you purchase the rifle new?
a. If so, roughly how many rounds have been cycled through the rifle?
b. Do you do dry fire drills - if so, estimate cycles included in round count
c. If you did not purchase the arm new, I would still like to have an estimate for questions 2 a & b since the arm has been in your custody
3. If you did not purchase the arm new, what vintage is the rifle?
a. If you provide the date code, left side, just in front of the receiver on the barrel. You should observe a 2 or 3 letter prefix.
Aug ><>
KT88
In the interest of isolating the problem, or a trend I have observed, I have a few questions to ask initially:
1. What fire control design do you have?
a. version with the trigger connector - pre 2006 (Serrated Trigger Bow)
b. Newer Version - post 2006 production - X Mark Pro (Smooth Trigger Bow)
2. Did you purchase the rifle new?
a. If so, roughly how many rounds have been cycled through the rifle?
b. Do you do dry fire drills - if so, estimate cycles included in round count
c. If you did not purchase the arm new, I would still like to have an estimate for questions 2 a & b since the arm has been in your custody
3. If you did not purchase the arm new, what vintage is the rifle?
a. If you provide the date code, left side, just in front of the receiver on the barrel. You should observe a 2 or 3 letter prefix.
Aug ><>
Re: Remington 700
It was purchased new and I lightened it up best I could and cleaned it as well . Has about250 rnds through it . Havent done dry fire drills so that would be my fault . Newer trigger with external adjustment . Absolute trash !
It was purchased new and I lightened it up best I could and cleaned it as well . Has about250 rnds through it . Havent done dry fire drills so that would be my fault . Newer trigger with external adjustment . Absolute trash !
Re: Remington 700
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kingtiger88</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It was purchased new and I lightened it up best I could and cleaned it as well . Has about250 rnds through it . Havent done dry fire drills so that would be my fault . Newer trigger with external adjustment . Absolute trash ! </div></div>
How did you clean it?
While I don't prefer the X-Mark it's far from trash. I really didn't like the first couple I tried, but they seem to have gotten better. One of our work rifles has an X-Mark Pro Adjustable (what you seem to be describing) that breaks very cleanly at 3 lbs. I have one on our new M700 AAC-SD. I have not gotten the pull gauge on it, but it also feels very nice.
Before you trash can it, I would suggest you take it to a smith and ask him to adjust it for you.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kingtiger88</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It was purchased new and I lightened it up best I could and cleaned it as well . Has about250 rnds through it . Havent done dry fire drills so that would be my fault . Newer trigger with external adjustment . Absolute trash ! </div></div>
How did you clean it?
While I don't prefer the X-Mark it's far from trash. I really didn't like the first couple I tried, but they seem to have gotten better. One of our work rifles has an X-Mark Pro Adjustable (what you seem to be describing) that breaks very cleanly at 3 lbs. I have one on our new M700 AAC-SD. I have not gotten the pull gauge on it, but it also feels very nice.
Before you trash can it, I would suggest you take it to a smith and ask him to adjust it for you.
Re: Remington 700
I did adjust it , however when I sent it out to have a break installed I believe fed ex dropped it a few times (only barrel and action were sent ) . Perhaps I should try a new stock , I like the HS percision but the palm swell is difficult to get exact every time , I have a dry fire case and i think drills may be a goo place to start but when you have to see if you left the saftey on ? I know I'm not that bad . The set trigger on my .54 Hawken is far better let alone my flintlock . I may try a local smith and see .
I did adjust it , however when I sent it out to have a break installed I believe fed ex dropped it a few times (only barrel and action were sent ) . Perhaps I should try a new stock , I like the HS percision but the palm swell is difficult to get exact every time , I have a dry fire case and i think drills may be a goo place to start but when you have to see if you left the saftey on ? I know I'm not that bad . The set trigger on my .54 Hawken is far better let alone my flintlock . I may try a local smith and see .
Re: Remington 700
KT88
Trigger pull weight has a relationship with the amount of sear/trigger engagement.
If memory serves me correctly you indicated that your trigger pull has become erratic, which indicates to me the trigger pull has enough variation that you can feel the difference from rep to rep... but also the trigger pull becoming so hard that you believe the safety is on when you pull the trigger.
I have heard of this happening on other X Mark Pro fire control(s) (hence a trend I have observed) - from a Sniper I shoot/work with with training from time to time. He reported the same thing happening to him at an event we were both at, with his duty rifle last year. What I am forced to wonder is the amount of visible wear that can/might be observed on the sear?
For starters, pull the bolt from the action and look at the top of the sear if you would - do you detect any wear on the sear from the cocking piece as it rides down the length of the sear, as the sear rotates downward to release the striker?? Also look for indicators that the cocking piece is rubbing, or getting caught on the edge of the fire control housing - I am wondering IF you ARE pulling the trigger to the full extent of its travel, but the sear is not releasing the striker?? Next time this happens, with the trigger pulled, jar the rifle with your palm of your other hand & see if this releases the sear/striker?? Frankly, I would not think you should see much, if ANY visible wear on the sear, with only 250 rounds down the tube, but check it out and report what you observe - If you want?
As to another potential explanation involving an erratic trigger pull:
I am wondering if this might possibly be an indication that the return spring has taken some "set", thereby creating a situation where the trigger is not returning to a consistent sear/trigger engagement condition? In other words, one rep lets say you get engagement of 15/1000", another rep - say 25/1000" of sear/trigger engagement... assuming the system is clean as you have already indicated.
As far as dry fire drills, they are a good thing to practice, so I am not pointing out any blame on your part IF you have been performing such drills, as a matter of fact, I would encourage you to do so... just use a snap cap in the chamber while doing so.
Aug ><>
KT88
Trigger pull weight has a relationship with the amount of sear/trigger engagement.
If memory serves me correctly you indicated that your trigger pull has become erratic, which indicates to me the trigger pull has enough variation that you can feel the difference from rep to rep... but also the trigger pull becoming so hard that you believe the safety is on when you pull the trigger.
I have heard of this happening on other X Mark Pro fire control(s) (hence a trend I have observed) - from a Sniper I shoot/work with with training from time to time. He reported the same thing happening to him at an event we were both at, with his duty rifle last year. What I am forced to wonder is the amount of visible wear that can/might be observed on the sear?
For starters, pull the bolt from the action and look at the top of the sear if you would - do you detect any wear on the sear from the cocking piece as it rides down the length of the sear, as the sear rotates downward to release the striker?? Also look for indicators that the cocking piece is rubbing, or getting caught on the edge of the fire control housing - I am wondering IF you ARE pulling the trigger to the full extent of its travel, but the sear is not releasing the striker?? Next time this happens, with the trigger pulled, jar the rifle with your palm of your other hand & see if this releases the sear/striker?? Frankly, I would not think you should see much, if ANY visible wear on the sear, with only 250 rounds down the tube, but check it out and report what you observe - If you want?
As to another potential explanation involving an erratic trigger pull:
I am wondering if this might possibly be an indication that the return spring has taken some "set", thereby creating a situation where the trigger is not returning to a consistent sear/trigger engagement condition? In other words, one rep lets say you get engagement of 15/1000", another rep - say 25/1000" of sear/trigger engagement... assuming the system is clean as you have already indicated.
As far as dry fire drills, they are a good thing to practice, so I am not pointing out any blame on your part IF you have been performing such drills, as a matter of fact, I would encourage you to do so... just use a snap cap in the chamber while doing so.
Aug ><>
Re: Remington 700
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Augustis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">KT88
... just use a snap cap in the chamber while doing so.
</div></div>
"False. Dry firing will not hurt any modern weapon which is not a rim-fire." http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1525406
"....thus wear and breakage is theoretically possible. However, this is incidental compared the stress that is put on your gun during live fire.
I can not imagine any breakage that would occur during dry-fire that would not occur during live fire. The only exception being with that of a rimfire." http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2057286
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Augustis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">KT88
... just use a snap cap in the chamber while doing so.
</div></div>
"False. Dry firing will not hurt any modern weapon which is not a rim-fire." http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1525406
"....thus wear and breakage is theoretically possible. However, this is incidental compared the stress that is put on your gun during live fire.
I can not imagine any breakage that would occur during dry-fire that would not occur during live fire. The only exception being with that of a rimfire." http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2057286
Re: Remington 700
I sent my X Mark Pro to Neil Jones up in Pennsylvania. He lightened it down to 2.0 lbs and I'm satisfied. Only charged $70 which included the return shipping.
I sent my X Mark Pro to Neil Jones up in Pennsylvania. He lightened it down to 2.0 lbs and I'm satisfied. Only charged $70 which included the return shipping.
Re: Remington 700
I have adjusted several Remington triggers to 3 lb down from the factory setting at 6 or 7 lb. At the end of the day you still have a Remington factory trigger. If you are really serious about trigger pull you wont stay with the Remington trigger.
Let a gunsmith mess with it if you want, but for a little over 100 dollars you can have a Timney trigger and you will never be sorry.
I have adjusted several Remington triggers to 3 lb down from the factory setting at 6 or 7 lb. At the end of the day you still have a Remington factory trigger. If you are really serious about trigger pull you wont stay with the Remington trigger.
Let a gunsmith mess with it if you want, but for a little over 100 dollars you can have a Timney trigger and you will never be sorry.
Re: Remington 700
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: carbinero</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Augustis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">KT88
... just use a snap cap in the chamber while doing so.
</div></div>
"False. Dry firing will not hurt any modern weapon which is not a rim-fire." http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1525406
"....thus wear and breakage is theoretically possible. However, this is incidental compared the stress that is put on your gun during live fire.
I can not imagine any breakage that would occur during dry-fire that would not occur during live fire. The only exception being with that of a rimfire." http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2057286 </div></div>
carbinero - so do you agree, or disagree with the rest of my post? You seem to have only singled out one very small portion of same.
Typically I run Ti pins with heavier than factory Wolf springs. I also have 140/1000" removed from the cocking piece to reduce travel distance - ultimately to reduce lock time so my striker is lightning fast at instant of release.
I will still recommend the use of a snap cap doing dry fire drills,(without reading the links) even if the rest of the "crowd" see' things differently - balance a quarter on top of the barrel, on the muzzle end of your rifle & dry fire it. Then do the same test with a ONCE fired primed case, or snap cap in the chamber - is the result the same?
If you answer NO to the above question - Next ask yourself why that is >;O)
Aug ><>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: carbinero</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Augustis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">KT88
... just use a snap cap in the chamber while doing so.
</div></div>
"False. Dry firing will not hurt any modern weapon which is not a rim-fire." http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1525406
"....thus wear and breakage is theoretically possible. However, this is incidental compared the stress that is put on your gun during live fire.
I can not imagine any breakage that would occur during dry-fire that would not occur during live fire. The only exception being with that of a rimfire." http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2057286 </div></div>
carbinero - so do you agree, or disagree with the rest of my post? You seem to have only singled out one very small portion of same.
Typically I run Ti pins with heavier than factory Wolf springs. I also have 140/1000" removed from the cocking piece to reduce travel distance - ultimately to reduce lock time so my striker is lightning fast at instant of release.
I will still recommend the use of a snap cap doing dry fire drills,(without reading the links) even if the rest of the "crowd" see' things differently - balance a quarter on top of the barrel, on the muzzle end of your rifle & dry fire it. Then do the same test with a ONCE fired primed case, or snap cap in the chamber - is the result the same?
If you answer NO to the above question - Next ask yourself why that is >;O)
Aug ><>
Re: Remington 700
The adjustable x-mark pro isn't really all that bad a trigger, and a little searching here will show that several actually prefer it when adjusted over some of the replacement triggers. I put a reduced weight spring from erniethegunsmith.com (no affiliation) in one I own, and am pretty content.
Good luck,
John
The adjustable x-mark pro isn't really all that bad a trigger, and a little searching here will show that several actually prefer it when adjusted over some of the replacement triggers. I put a reduced weight spring from erniethegunsmith.com (no affiliation) in one I own, and am pretty content.
Good luck,
John
Re: Remington 700
I am just wondering how there isn't a "correct" answer on the snap cap issue.
On the x-mark, I think it's fine as is, for what it is, but I don't see putting $70 into it. $30, sure. But as above, if you're putting $70 into it, why not $120-ish and Timney? ymmv...
I am just wondering how there isn't a "correct" answer on the snap cap issue.
On the x-mark, I think it's fine as is, for what it is, but I don't see putting $70 into it. $30, sure. But as above, if you're putting $70 into it, why not $120-ish and Timney? ymmv...
Re: Remington 700
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: carbinero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am just wondering how there isn't a "correct" answer on the snap cap issue. </div></div>
That is just the way the world is my friend, so take your pick!! I tend to worry a lot less about popular opinion on such issues personally. Did you put the quarter on your barrel & dry fire yet - opposed to firing with a snap cap in the chamber - were your results the same either way?
Aug ><>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: carbinero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am just wondering how there isn't a "correct" answer on the snap cap issue. </div></div>
That is just the way the world is my friend, so take your pick!! I tend to worry a lot less about popular opinion on such issues personally. Did you put the quarter on your barrel & dry fire yet - opposed to firing with a snap cap in the chamber - were your results the same either way?
Aug ><>
Re: Remington 700
I wanted to keep the all stainless and not have to worry about any type of lube. I would have preferred a Jewell, but I didn't feel like dropping $200 for a trigger just yet. This being my first experience with 'lighter' triggers, I had Neil turn it down to 2.0 lbs. I'm satisfied with it, but if I were to decide to upgrade, it would be a Jewell at 1.0 lb.
I wanted to keep the all stainless and not have to worry about any type of lube. I would have preferred a Jewell, but I didn't feel like dropping $200 for a trigger just yet. This being my first experience with 'lighter' triggers, I had Neil turn it down to 2.0 lbs. I'm satisfied with it, but if I were to decide to upgrade, it would be a Jewell at 1.0 lb.
Re: Remington 700
My Smith does old style Rem trigger jobs for $40. They are a helluva lot better than when he gets ahold of them, when you get them back. I have had him do several. But "you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear". I love my Jewells...
My Smith does old style Rem trigger jobs for $40. They are a helluva lot better than when he gets ahold of them, when you get them back. I have had him do several. But "you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear". I love my Jewells...
