Remington m700p big problems

[Bloody_Tailgate]

Re: Remington m700p big problems

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: uafgrad</div><div class="ubbcode-body">how is it possible to ignite the powder and not have the bullet leave the case? </div></div>

Exactly what I was thinking. If there is enough pressure to break the pin how did the bullet not take off?

 

[kickinneon]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: osuarchitect</div><div class="ubbcode-body">After seeing that they recalled another batch of sst superformance ammunition...you would think Hornady would be REAL interested in this issue. I think maybe you weren't talking to the correct person there. If I were you I would absolutely not take the gun to a gunsmith. Remington could say that your gunsmith botched the firearm. If it were mine I would talk to hornady and get your medical bills compensated for. IMO that's the least they could do. If something broke as a result of the ammo they should be paying for that too unless remington covers it.

Either way you are extremely lucky your thumb was there, if it wasn't that hole might be in your eye or face.

I also think the title of the thread should be changed to hornady SST 300WM superformance problem! That wasy someone who's got the same batch of ammo can at least be aware of a possible issue. </div></div>

When i talked to my gunsmith he told me not to even bring it to him that he would not touch it.

So from the sound of it everyone thinks its the ammo.
I still think that Remington and all other bolt guns should have some kinda pin or stop to keep the firing pin from coming back that far.

yea I'm kinda glad now that i had that bad habit of put thumb up on the stock like that If not its hard telling what would have happened.

 

[wnroscoe]

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Send me your complete bolt and I'll inspect it free of charge. If any parts are needed for a repair thats all you'll pay, parts only, no labor.

I'll keep you informed 100% and give you a guick turn around.

 

[kickinneon]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wnroscoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Send me your complete bolt and I'll inspect it free of charge. If any parts are needed for a repair thats all you'll pay, parts only, no labor.

I'll keep you informed 100% and give you a guick turn around. </div></div>

I really appreciate the offer but I think something like this is better to be handled by Remington Or hornady so they can figure out who/what was at fault. I will defiantly find out what happened and when i do ill Post up on here letting everyone know.

 

[Foomanshoot]

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I would suggest contacting Remmington and making arrangements to have a third party mutually agreed apon inspection done on the firearm. Once the results are concluded and thoroughly documented return the rifle to the manufacturer. In the case of ammo i would follow in a similar fashion. You are very fortunate to have escaped with minimal physical harm.

The reason i suggest this is to have a unbiased conclusion and not having the manufacturer just trying to cover its own ass.

 

[wnroscoe]

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Fair enough, good luck.

 

[kickinneon]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Foomanshoot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would suggest contacting Remmington and making arrangements to have a third party mutually agreed apon inspection done on the firearm. Once the results are concluded and thoroughly documented return the rifle to the manufacturer. In the case of ammo i would follow in a similar fashion. You are very fortunate to have escaped with minimal physical harm.

The reason i suggest this is to have a unbiased conclusion and not having the manufacturer just trying to cover its own ass.

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This is actually not a bad idea. they are suppose to call me Monday. I will more then like go this route even If i have to contact my own lawyer and force them to go this route.

wnroscoe would this be something that you could/would be interested in doing.

But something else is the action its self is jacked up. I had to shim my 20moa base with 3 layers of pop can to get it sighted in at 100yards.

 

[SnkBit]

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What scope is on this rifle?

 

[kickinneon]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SnkBit</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What scope is on this rifle? </div></div>

In this pic its a Nikon buck master 6x18x40 in a mil-dot. you can only get it threw midwayusa. they are having a sale on them right now for 309+ shipping

 

[Foomanshoot]

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One area where i would have concern for you is who did the muzzle break installation. If im not mistaken the barrel isnt threaded from Remmington to accomodate one. If my information is incorrect then my mistake. The manufacturer could simply say in this instance whom had done the work is at fault since the barrel would have been seperated from the action for this job to be completed. I'm just trying to cover all the bases.
Another possible scenario than ran through my mind is in the shiming of the scope base. Would it have been possible for the screws used to mount it protrude to the chamber in a sense creating a binding point not allowing the round to chamber correctly? To me in the case where you have two different manufacturers of ammo the head space may acceptable for one and not be an issue but then all of a sudden create a bottle neck in a sense. I'm not an expert or gunsmith but hopefully these questions can be answered by someone more qualified than myself.
If its unclear my point of work by a smith,possible obstruction,excessive head spacing would allow the bolt to still close and fire with the pin piercing the primer. Just a thought.

 

[kickinneon]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Foomanshoot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One area where i would have concern for you is who did the muzzle break installation. If im not mistaken the barrel isnt threaded from Remmington to accomodate one. If my information is incorrect then my mistake. The manufacturer could simply say in this instance whom had done the work is at fault since the barrel would have been seperated from the action for this job to be completed. I'm just trying to cover all the bases.
Another possible scenario than ran through my mind is in the shiming of the scope base. Would it have been possible for the screws used to mount it protrude to the chamber in a sense creating a binding point not allowing the round to chamber correctly? To me in the case where you have two different manufacturers of ammo the head space may acceptable for one and not be an issue but then all of a sudden create a bottle neck in a sense. I'm not an expert or gunsmith but hopefully these questions can be answered by someone more qualified than myself.
If its unclear my point of work by a smith,possible obstruction,excessive head spacing would allow the bolt to still close and fire with the pin piercing the primer. Just a thought. </div></div>


You are correct the barrel is not thread from Remington. When i had the barrel threaded it was not removed from the action he clamped the action and all in the lathe and centered the barrel. Plus the guy that took my info done said that me have the muzzle brake installed has nothing to do with what happened that if anything they would only void the warranty on the barrel.

On the screws i dont think that the action is tapped all the way threw were the bolt/bullet chamber is. Plus the front of the base did not get any thinner so the screws should not go any deep then they would with the back unshimmed

the ammo that i had the problems with was a hornady ammo. I ran 40 federal threw it before the hornady for brake in with out any issues.

 

[burneyr]

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I have seen this happen before. Buddy got a box of 30'06 once that had a bad round. Turns out after Remington looked at it that the cartridge had been manufactured without a flashhole in the primer pocket.

 

[vman]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: burneyr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have seen this happen before. Buddy got a box of 30'06 once that had a bad round. Turns out after Remington looked at it that the cartridge had been manufactured without a flashhole in the primer pocket. </div></div>

For real!

 

[SnkBit]

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It sounds like the scope doesn't have enough adjustment to compensate for the 20moa base. I don't think that there's a problem with the action in that regard but I could be wrong. It's fairly common on scopes with limited adjustment range to not be able to properly zero @ 100yds with an angled base.

 

[zenbiker]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SnkBit</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It sounds like the scope doesn't have enough adjustment to compensate for the 20moa base. I don't think that there's a problem with the action in that regard but I could be wrong. It's fairly common on scopes with limited adjustment range to not be able to properly zero @ 100yds with an angled base. </div></div>

Totally apart from the bolt problem, the scope mount base/action fit discprepancy is nothing new. Remingtons are notorious for rear deck height discrepancies requiring shims. If a Badger Ordnance base requires a shim, the problem is in the action, and in this day of CNC, it's a problme that absolutley amazes me.

Good luck getting this resolved; I've had as many problems with Remingtons as any other shooter here, including bent/<span style="font-style: italic">twisted</span> barrels. That being said, no product is 100% perfect all the time, and defects can sneak through. Once again, good luck.

 

[Augustis]

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First off -I dont believe the primer alone could cause enough pressure to to blow the cocking piece/striker out of the bolt tube alone, in the event the flash hole did not exist. No flash hole - No powder ignition!

From the limited information I can determine from the pictures - I see the problem COULD potentially be a two fold combination of factors...

First, it appears there may be a "Primer Blanking" issue. I observe flowing of the primer material back into the firing pin hole recess in the face of the bolt. The ring on the flow & swell surrounding the firing pin indent looks rather large in the pictures you provided. Second, The rifle could have passed RAC gallery testing because Remington primer cups tend to be on the hard side. Primer cups are not created equal, in that some tend to be harder composition than others, & so some are more sensitive to striker impact that others. If the firing pin hole is over max. limits, combined with soft primer cups, in combination, could very well develop into blown primers, releasing pressure into the bolt tube as you describe.

Typically when this condition occurs, there will be, or could most likely be damage to the sear and/or trigger engagement surfaces. If you have the old fire control with the connector, I would suspect damage to the connector in the form of a crack near the area where the over travel screw passes through the face of the trigger connector - but including damage to the engagement surfaces. If the connector is cracked it will be prone to failure in the not so distant future.

I do not believe this incident warrants legal action - My 2 cents - get the rifle repaired & go on with your life...

Typically Remington might repair the bolt face with a swagging operation, then ream the hole to the proper dimension, check head space, done deal.

Aug ><>

 

[SWRichmond]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kickinneon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Foomanshoot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would suggest contacting Remmington and making arrangements to have a third party mutually agreed apon inspection done on the firearm. Once the results are concluded and thoroughly documented return the rifle to the manufacturer. In the case of ammo i would follow in a similar fashion. You are very fortunate to have escaped with minimal physical harm.

The reason i suggest this is to have a unbiased conclusion and not having the manufacturer just trying to cover its own ass.

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This is actually not a bad idea. they are suppose to call me Monday. I will more then like go this route even If i have to contact my own lawyer and force them to go this route.

wnroscoe would this be something that you could/would be interested in doing.

But something else is the action its self is jacked up. I had to shim my 20moa base with 3 layers of pop can to get it sighted in at 100yards. </div></div>

Personally I think the above is the correct course of action. What is really required here is that a thorough analysis of some kind be done by some competent party, with results professionally prepared and presented where they will do the most long term good. Is this an ammunition issue? Is it a Remington issue? Why did the primers perforate? Are the cases without primer flash holes as speculated? You can gloss over this and "get on with life" but that doesn't serve the shooting community. Is there a genuine problem or is this a one-of? Is there a batch of faulty ammunition out there? It's entirely possible that it's a one-of, but don't you think the rest of us would like to be assured of that?

Forgive me also for adding my voice to those who've already frustration with your decision to reassemble the rifle parts and fire it again, no matter how far away from it you were. At the very least you might have destroyed valuable evidence of a systemic problem that might require action by a manufacturer (recall).

No one likes recalls, and no one likes liability issues, but ignoring their possibility won't make the underlying issues go away. Engineering problem? Design problem? Material problem? Manufacturing problem? See? How will anyone know?

/rant

 

[tfre3927]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SWRichmond</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Personally I think the above is the correct course of action....No one likes recalls, and no one likes liability issues, but ignoring their possibility won't make the underlying issues go away. Engineering problem? Design problem? Material problem? Manufacturing problem? See? How will anyone know?
/rant </div></div>
+1
Bravo, good rant

 

[vman]

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You only have one set of eyes... may as well return it just to be safe

 

[kickinneon]

Re: Remington m700p big problems

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: burneyr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have seen this happen before. Buddy got a box of 30'06 once that had a bad round. Turns out after Remington looked at it that the cartridge had been manufactured without a flashhole in the primer pocket. </div></div>

For real! </div></div>

I'm about 99% sure this is the problem. I called hornady again this morning and he said that it sounds like their is not a flash hole in the case. I can shake the bullet and still hear the powder inside of the case. they are sending ups tomorrow to pick up the ammo to be sent back for review. I'm am keeping one of the bullets that was fired but failed so i can cut it apart and do my own inspection. I'll post some pic's when i do.

 

[Foomanshoot]

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I believe this to be a bit hasty imho in rushing the ammo back to the manufacturer. Since this could be a possible law suite and you did recieve physical injury as a result of their product. For the sake of yourself and others i still believe a third party would be better off inspecting the ammunition. This is not to say you are going to file but its just a precaution. For Hornady its interest from a legal stand point is recover said ammo and possibly dispose of it. With no documentation or analysis its your word against theirs.
If other people get injured from this how would you feel knowing something else could have been done.

On a personal level i would be scared for someone to lose an eye. On remmingtons part though how could this have been avoided is the question that resounds in my head. To me this isnt just one party at fault. I understand in manufacturing there is allways a chance,fluke something can happen but as an engineer wouldnt you want to avoid this if at all possible.
That is why situations like this are important to document. I know its a major inconvenience and you just want to go out and get back to shooting but just think about it.

 

[Augustis]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Aussie700P</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SWRichmond</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Personally I think the above is the correct course of action....No one likes recalls, and no one likes liability issues, but ignoring their possibility won't make the underlying issues go away. Engineering problem? Design problem? Material problem? Manufacturing problem? See? How will anyone know?
/rant </div></div>
+1
Bravo, good rant </div></div>


I agree, or would have agreed with the above statement - once.

HOWEVER, regarding the recent debates involving the trigger issue that has recently been in the news - & subsequently debated on this forum - I observed a lot of individuals here, that frankly do not have a fucking clue what they are talking about, other than potentially voicing their political views, or to point their finger at individuals that have had different functional experiences with their rifles, including the Brotherhood of LE Snipers - without ever investigating, or researching the issue for themselves, through a systematic collection of evidence involving the connector fire control.

This has somewhat changed my views in this area to some degree. Ultimately if people choose to remain blind, ignorant, or make excuses regarding certain material facts surrounding a safety related issue(s) without ever investigating the facts for themselves, then they become part of a bigger problem & not part the ultimate solution. So with that said, maybe they deserve everything they get in the future. It appears to me that some people believe, if you ignore a problem long enough that it might somehow go away by itself...

So good on you fella's for taking a keen interest in something that potentially poses a threat to others, to ensure that the situation ultimately gets resolved & people are informed of the risks, or the potential danger!!

Know this gentlemen, if you attempt to expose something of this nature that may pose some kind of threat to Remington's image, or future financial interest, dont be surprised if they retaliate against you in some capacity - personally, or professionally, if they can get at you in that regard.

I have known them to lie, cheat, deceive, re-neg on previous agreements involving retrofit, etc. - what ever they can IF they perceive it to be in their best interest at any given time, so agreements are subject to change without notice, solely to protect their financial interests, or image.

Especially if the situation were potentially so wide spread it might cost them money to correct a situation - even if that condition presents a potential safety hazard to their "valued customers"!


Remington's SOP is typically to blame the customer - I am sure, even in this instance, they can manage to find a means to blame the gentleman that reported this incident to us as to the cause of this incident, if it would somehow serve their best interest - after all, who are you gonna believe, one guy, or the "Oldest Gun Manufacturer in the US"??

Until you identify other incidences involving similar failures, all you have, or will be led to believe by Remington, is a random - isolated incident occurred, somehow related to "operator error" - which only serves to allow further injury, blindness, or death from re-occurring failures in Remington products.

If you are seriously interested, PM me & I will provide the contact number(s) for qualified "firearm experts" to examine the rifle in question.

Good Luck to you fellas ;O)

Aug ><>

 

[Augustis]

Re: Remington m700p big problems

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kickinneon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: burneyr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have seen this happen before. Buddy got a box of 30'06 once that had a bad round. Turns out after Remington looked at it that the cartridge had been manufactured without a flashhole in the primer pocket. </div></div>

For real! </div></div>

I'm about 99% sure this is the problem. I called hornady again this morning and he said that it sounds like their is not a flash hole in the case. I can shake the bullet and still hear the powder inside of the case. they are sending ups tomorrow to pick up the ammo to be sent back for review. I'm am keeping one of the bullets that was fired but failed so i can cut it apart and do my own inspection. I'll post some pic's when i do. </div></div>

Let me ask this, how could the primer produce enough pressure by itself to produce such a failure - under the present theory that the flash hole does not exist?

Edited to add:

You do not have to cut it apart... de-prime in a reloading press, or if the bullet is still in the case mouth, remove it, dump powder & inspect for the presents of a flash hole with a flashlight. Retain powder in a glass vial, or zip lock bag without crushing contents. I suspect powder burned in the case, expelling gas from the primer to have caused that kind of damage to the bolt components.

Aug ><>

 

[Quickdraw40]

Re: Remington m700p big problems

firearm/cartridge failure investigation engineering: www.entropyec.com

 

[Hogstooth]

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Send to Remington with the cases and left over factory ammo, do not give it to a gunsmith. Remington will take care of you, I have never heard of a cocking piece pin breaking? Never say never!!

 

[jeep505090]

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Hey all, first let me say glad you are ok kickin', second i have seen several issues with some superperformance ammunition at the range i work at, including one blown primer, do you have factory bottom metal or aftermarket, and are the screws the correct length in the front? I had a shooter who had a screw to long in the front and could force the bolt 3/4's of the way down but not all the way, he did not to attempt to pull the trigger and after several mintues of inspection found the culprit to be the long screw in the front contacting the round, im no remington expert by any means but if it could fire like that then maybe the alignment of case to bore was off causing excessive pressure and a blow back? just a thought good luck

 

[Kevlars]

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Hi all,

IMHO I would recomend that you send the rifle back to Remington to get checked out as certain componants have been challanged with the incident. I would also send with it one or two of the rounds you were using. As far as Hornandy I would not send back all of the Amunition back. I would pull one apart (one that shows over pressurization meaning the one with the primer pushed out). Investigate to see if there is a flashhole.

Regardless of who what when and where I believe that you just want a reliable rifle that shoots true. With that said Hornandy and or Remington should take care of that for you. However you must retain some evidence so that incase one tech leaves either company you can then re-submit to the new one.

Good Luck...

 

[kickinneon]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eric0311</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey all, first let me say glad you are ok kickin', second i have seen several issues with some superperformance ammunition at the range i work at, including one blown primer, do you have factory bottom metal or aftermarket, and are the screws the correct length in the front? I had a shooter who had a screw to long in the front and could force the bolt 3/4's of the way down but not all the way, he did not to attempt to pull the trigger and after several mintues of inspection found the culprit to be the long screw in the front contacting the round, im no remington expert by any means but if it could fire like that then maybe the alignment of case to bore was off causing excessive pressure and a blow back? just a thought good luck </div></div>

The gun is factory besides for the muzzle brake.

 

[kickinneon]

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Ok i have found the problem. I'm going in the morning to talk to a lawyer to see what he recommends me do.

The ammo is not superformance. Its the Hornady custom 180 gr sst Interlock.

I will post my findings after i talk to my lawyer.

 

[Marksman]

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Tag for you lawyering up.

 

[HillbillyfromAL]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kickinneon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

its still going back. their is something wrong with the action. I had to shim it with 3 pieces of pop can to get a 20moa base to 0 at a 100 yards

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Like another guy already posted this is most likely because your scope didn't have enough adjustment. The deck Height issue would affect the base, say you lightly torqued the front base screws in place and could see daylight under the rear of the base. That would be a bedding job to do it correctly. If you were shimming the rings that's the scopes fault.

Did you pull one of the bullets to see if the powder had ignited? That would be the first thing that I would have done. When I first started reloading I didn't use a powder check die, and had two rounds that didn't fire. The primer didn't have enough juice to push the bullet out of the case, but there was no powder in them, and no ruptured primer. I'm interested in seeing where this went, and what the problem was.

 

[kickinneon]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HillbillyfromAL</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kickinneon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

its still going back. their is something wrong with the action. I had to shim it with 3 pieces of pop can to get a 20moa base to 0 at a 100 yards

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Like another guy already posted this is most likely because your scope didn't have enough adjustment. The deck Height issue would affect the base, say you lightly torqued the front base screws in place and could see daylight under the rear of the base. That would be a bedding job to do it correctly. If you were shimming the rings that's the scopes fault.

Did you pull one of the bullets to see if the powder had ignited? That would be the first thing that I would have done. When I first started reloading I didn't use a powder check die, and had two rounds that didn't fire. The primer didn't have enough juice to push the bullet out of the case, but there was no powder in them, and no ruptured primer. I'm interested in seeing where this went, and what the problem was. </div></div>

I had to shim the rear of the base. when i loosened the rear screw i can see the base lift up so if Remington does not fix it i will bed the base to the action. The scope has 65moa of Internal adjustment. I have the same set up on my .308 and works perfect.

I did pull one of the bullets.

Ill post my findings after i talk to the lawyer.

 

[Kevlars]

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Any news on your findings?

 

[jtv3062]

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What would Remington fix? The base is out of spec, I had the same problem with my .243 bedded the rear of the mount and moved on.

 

[jeepwilson]

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Let`s hear at least what was wrong with it.

 

[kickinneon]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jtv3062</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What would Remington fix? The base is out of spec, I had the same problem with my .243 bedded the rear of the mount and moved on. </div></div>

No the base is not out of spec. I have put 2 different bases on the rifle and both was the same.

 

[kickinneon]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jeepwilson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Let`s hear at least what was wrong with it. </div></div>

I will post my findings in due time. i still am unsure what the lawyer is going to do.

 

[Foomanshoot]

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Have you proposed the previously mentioned suggestions to your lawyer in reguards to third party testing? If so what were his thoughts?

 

[kickinneon]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Foomanshoot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Have you proposed the previously mentioned suggestions to your lawyer in reguards to third party testing? If so what were his thoughts? </div></div>

No not yet. I have only talked to him long enough to brief him on what happened.

 

[Guest]

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FWIW

Enough overpressure will drive the firing pin on a 700 to the rear hard enough to break the cross pin, but the F/P spring will stack an keep the pin within the bolt assy. The shroud will retain everything up to and including the weapon in many pieces. The front guide plate on the firing pin can still act as a piston even though the pressure relief hole is in the receiver. All of the numbers have to add up to do this but it can happen above 90K psi. The bulk of the time if the numbers line up you will get gas all the way thru the bolt an into your eye.
BTDT, while testing duplex an triplex powder loads. Forgetting the timing buffers, or using or installing the wrong buffers is a hard lesson to learn. You'll only hose the buffers once, then you'll rethink that program/project completely. YMMV

 

[Wild_Bill]

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I will be interestd to hear where this leads but i would bet that the 2 that the primer fired and blanked but the projectiles did not move did not have flash holes int he cases i have seen Win factory Palma ammo that was issued for the Commonwelth games in 2006 with no flash holes the rifle it was fired in had a very small firing pin and it did not blank but blew the primer pocket open and the primer cup fell out after the round was unloaded. remember this is a magnum load with a magnum primer. Primers have a massive amount of energy and repeated blanking without any other way for the pressure to release like down the bore could preasurise the bolt tube and snap the cross pin retaining the cocking piece once it broke you were not smart for forcing the parts back and trying again though if something like this happens stop shooting and send the rifle for enspection because serious injury can occour.

Also i picked up on the high pressure force against the belt that is way past the norm this would also have been caused by the primer pressure not having a way to release with no flash hole so i am pretty sure this will be what he tells us.

 

[Kevlars]

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I have seen that happen to Wild Bill-- that is one argument for reloading. you can control the entire process and you know what you are putting into your rifle.

 

[DeSnifter]

Re: Remington m700p big problems

No offense, but I think the more important recommendation is the next time a major component of your rifle breaks off, don't put it back together and try again. You were very lucky it was your thumb and not your skull. Even if it was tied to a table that doesn't mean you couldn't have a catastrophic failure in the receiver and have your glass take a hit. Safety first.

 

[HillbillyfromAL]

Re: Remington m700p big problems

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kickinneon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I had to shim the rear of the base. when i loosened the rear screw i can see the base lift up so if Remington does not fix it i will bed the base to the action. The scope has 65moa of Internal adjustment. I have the same set up on my .308 and works perfect.

I did pull one of the bullets.

Ill post my findings after i talk to the lawyer. </div></div>

Just because the scope worked on your .308 doesn't mean it would work here. Especially Since you added more MOA to the Base by shimming it. What MOA base did Your .308 have? Just bed the base when you get all this other stuff sorted out. There's nothing to "fix" as far as that is concerned. Just out of curiosity what has your lawyer told you other than don't talk about it?

 

[kickinneon]

Re: Remington m700p big problems

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HillbillyfromAL</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kickinneon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I had to shim the rear of the base. when i loosened the rear screw i can see the base lift up so if Remington does not fix it i will bed the base to the action. The scope has 65moa of Internal adjustment. I have the same set up on my .308 and works perfect.

I did pull one of the bullets.

Ill post my findings after i talk to the lawyer. </div></div>

Just because the scope worked on your .308 doesn't mean it would work here. Especially Since you added more MOA to the Base by shimming it. What MOA base did Your .308 have? Just bed the base when you get all this other stuff sorted out. There's nothing to "fix" as far as that is concerned. Just out of curiosity what has your lawyer told you other than don't talk about it? </div></div>

My setup on both guns are the same and are Leopold 20moa bases and Leopold medium rings. I called Leopold and they told me that both scopes should be with in one turn of each other.
If Remington does not fix the problem i will bed the base and go on with it.

I have not talked to my lawyer face to face yet. I will be going Monday to talk to him. I have a list of question's to ask him. He did say that he was going to have a 3rd party check out my findings to confirm.

 

[Jager247]

Re: Remington m700p big problems

Ok Hillbilly. Not to burst your bubble for your few days of fame. But this whole thread is BS. The FP didn't come out the back and it Did not hit your thumb. The pc of your thumb proves your lying. Everyone scroll back up to the pic of his Booboo. Look where it's at. Then look at his scope and how it's mounted. There is noway possible for that bolt shroud to hit his thumb like he said it did. Not to mention the shroud is blunt not sharp it would not leave that type of wound on you. If it did strike you as you claim it did it would have been in the side not your pad. So plead don't waste everyone time with your fake threads. And stop being a sissy and get rid of that break!!!!

 

[sticshooter]

Re: Remington m700p big problems

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jager247</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok Hillbilly. Not to burst your bubble for your few days of fame. But this whole thread is BS. The FP didn't come out the back and it Did not hit your thumb. The pc of your thumb proves your lying. Everyone scroll back up to the pic of his Booboo. Look where it's at. Then look at his scope and how it's mounted. There is noway possible for that bolt shroud to hit his thumb like he said it did. Not to mention the shroud is blunt not sharp it would not leave that type of wound on you. If it did strike you as you claim it did it would have been in the side not your pad. So plead don't waste everyone time with your fake threads. And stop being a sissy and get rid of that break!!!! </div></div>pretty harsh for a first post.i don't see how you can say he is lieing by the pictures.i held my own remington r5 which is real close to the same set up and held the rifle how he said he held the rifle and if the firing pin did come out the back it would hit my thumb excatly where it hit his thumb.not taking sides but i can't see where you can call bullshit with the info and pics given.interested in hearing what happened since i own a couple of 700's and know remingtons have had QC problems of late.

 

[kickinneon]

Re: Remington m700p big problems

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jager247</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok Hillbilly. Not to burst your bubble for your few days of fame. But this whole thread is BS. The FP didn't come out the back and it Did not hit your thumb. The pc of your thumb proves your lying. Everyone scroll back up to the pic of his Booboo. Look where it's at. Then look at his scope and how it's mounted. There is noway possible for that bolt shroud to hit his thumb like he said it did. Not to mention the shroud is blunt not sharp it would not leave that type of wound on you. If it did strike you as you claim it did it would have been in the side not your pad. So plead don't waste everyone time with your fake threads. And stop being a sissy and get rid of that break!!!! </div></div>

Why do I have to be a hillbilly. And thanks for adding to my couple of days of fame as you call it becouse you bumped it back to the top so everyone else will see that their could eather be a problem with the remington rifles or hornady ammo. I will make it pubilc with the problem when my lawyer says it's ok.

What the hell are you talking about a shroud for becouse no one has said anything about it. If you would have looked at the pics on the first page you would see what I was talking about.
And just to make you happy when I get home I will take pics of how I was holding and how I always hold the gun when I shoot it or any other rifle.

 

[Jager247]

Re: Remington m700p big problems

No troll here badshot


And I'm glad I could help with your fame and yes it was pretty harsh for my first post. well I guess that takes care of the welcome to the forums part.

I just don't see how this could happen so I called bs. In all my years of shooting and firearms training this has never been seen. The thing that ticks me off most about it is that you want to take legal action against someone. You remind me of the lady that spilled hot coffee on herself the sued mcd b/c there wasn't a label saying that the coffee is hot. Like with the hot coffee and your so called misshap it all falls back to operator error. Before shooting the gun and the ammo need to be checked over for proper workings. My guess is remington is going to find that the bolt was taken apart before it was shot and not put back together correctly. But you are someone that did that would never admit to that so we are back to square one all over again. Little tip for ya for free. Put your thumb alongside of the pistol grip. It can affect the rifles responds to recoil and can enlarge group size as much as .25 to .5 at 100 yards

 

[Kevlars]

Re: Remington m700p big problems

Jager247

Really, if you dont understand it ...it cant be ... I am not saying that it could or could not happen. I am simply waiting to find out what was found. There is no need to lob grenades. Although, Badshot has a point ...rather than ask ... or question you immediatly call it BS ... that says alot about who you are.. Although you have surely caught my attention ... Attention to the fact that you are the one seeking attention...enough to say ... you have no idea what you are talking about ... go back to your hide.