F T/R Competition Reticle choice
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Re: Reticle choice
I am a big fan of the NP-2DD. Have two F-Open rifles with the NF BR 12-42x56 scope with that reticle. Am building a F-TR gun, haven't decided on NF or Sightron (for cost and weight reasons), but if I go NF again, it will definitely also have the NF-2DD.
I am a big fan of the NP-2DD. Have two F-Open rifles with the NF BR 12-42x56 scope with that reticle. Am building a F-TR gun, haven't decided on NF or Sightron (for cost and weight reasons), but if I go NF again, it will definitely also have the NF-2DD.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Karux</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do the cross bars on the NP-2DD bracket the regulation target bull? or do you always rely on the center dot?</div></div>
They approximately bracket the 9 ring on the NRA F-Class target. According to NF's website, the bars are 4moa from the center at 22x, so at 42x (which is what I run the scope at 95% of the time), they are 2.09moa. But I don't use them for that. The bars are mostly useful to make it very easy and natural for your eye to find its way to the center dot.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you holdover at all with the NP-2DD? </div></div>
I hold off on various landmarks on the target itself.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Karux</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do the cross bars on the NP-2DD bracket the regulation target bull? or do you always rely on the center dot?</div></div>
They approximately bracket the 9 ring on the NRA F-Class target. According to NF's website, the bars are 4moa from the center at 22x, so at 42x (which is what I run the scope at 95% of the time), they are 2.09moa. But I don't use them for that. The bars are mostly useful to make it very easy and natural for your eye to find its way to the center dot.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you holdover at all with the NP-2DD? </div></div>
I hold off on various landmarks on the target itself.
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I like the 2DD a lot... I have it in three 12-42x56 scopes right now.
That said... my next scope will *not* have it, and I'll probably work towards replacing it on one or more of the scopes I have now.
Why? Basically, it's too small/fine for my eyes under less than perfect conditions. On a dark/overcast day (I live in central Washington and have to travel to the Seattle/Tacoma or Portland areas for a lot of matches) against a black target... that little tiny black dot gets hard to find. Then as the target gets shot up and lots of little black pasters muddying up the image... it gets *really* hard for me to see it. I had a 2DD, then tried a CH-3 (very fine lines w/ a small gap and an even smaller dot) and gave up I don't know how many points to that damn crosshair - I could see the target nice-n-clear, but half the time I couldn't see the reticle for more than 5-10 seconds before it'd fade away. The 2DD doesn't *quite* do that to me, but its a struggle under bad atmo condtions. Heavy mirage is not a lot of fun with it either.
About the only time I use the lower dot is if I run out of elevation and have to hold over for the odd (once every 2-3 years) match @ 1200yds) - it gives me the few extra MOA of hold off I need.
I had planned on getting a CH-2 (fine x-hair + target dot) on my next scope, but apparently Nightforce has decided to drop all the CH series reticles. I've used an R2 reticle in several people's scopes, and have a couple lower-powered scopes w/ R1 reticles. I'm thinking my next NF 12-42x BR will have an R2 reticle... if things work the way I plan, I'll set it up to be bottomed out (or close to it) zeroed @ 300yds. That'll give me enough room for 1200 at the top end, and more room for windage @ 1000... plus being able to use the stadia lines for 100yd sight-in & load development, etc.
YMMV,
Monte
I like the 2DD a lot... I have it in three 12-42x56 scopes right now.
That said... my next scope will *not* have it, and I'll probably work towards replacing it on one or more of the scopes I have now.
Why? Basically, it's too small/fine for my eyes under less than perfect conditions. On a dark/overcast day (I live in central Washington and have to travel to the Seattle/Tacoma or Portland areas for a lot of matches) against a black target... that little tiny black dot gets hard to find. Then as the target gets shot up and lots of little black pasters muddying up the image... it gets *really* hard for me to see it. I had a 2DD, then tried a CH-3 (very fine lines w/ a small gap and an even smaller dot) and gave up I don't know how many points to that damn crosshair - I could see the target nice-n-clear, but half the time I couldn't see the reticle for more than 5-10 seconds before it'd fade away. The 2DD doesn't *quite* do that to me, but its a struggle under bad atmo condtions. Heavy mirage is not a lot of fun with it either.
About the only time I use the lower dot is if I run out of elevation and have to hold over for the odd (once every 2-3 years) match @ 1200yds) - it gives me the few extra MOA of hold off I need.
I had planned on getting a CH-2 (fine x-hair + target dot) on my next scope, but apparently Nightforce has decided to drop all the CH series reticles. I've used an R2 reticle in several people's scopes, and have a couple lower-powered scopes w/ R1 reticles. I'm thinking my next NF 12-42x BR will have an R2 reticle... if things work the way I plan, I'll set it up to be bottomed out (or close to it) zeroed @ 300yds. That'll give me enough room for 1200 at the top end, and more room for windage @ 1000... plus being able to use the stadia lines for 100yd sight-in & load development, etc.
YMMV,
Monte
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NP-2DD
I really don't consciously notice the bars, but they do center your eye on the dot. I run an 8-32 and the dot is small enough that I can aim for a quadrant of the X-ring at 1000, not that I'm that accurate.
The only time I back off the magnification is if it's boiling or I'm 15 shots into a 20 shot string and I don't have a mirage shield on the barrel, then I'll probably have to back it out to 24 or so.
If I was buying another for long to medium range targets I'd get the same.
NP-2DD
I really don't consciously notice the bars, but they do center your eye on the dot. I run an 8-32 and the dot is small enough that I can aim for a quadrant of the X-ring at 1000, not that I'm that accurate.
The only time I back off the magnification is if it's boiling or I'm 15 shots into a 20 shot string and I don't have a mirage shield on the barrel, then I'll probably have to back it out to 24 or so.
If I was buying another for long to medium range targets I'd get the same.
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memilanuk, have you looked at the NXS versions and not just the BRs? The BR only has 50MOA total elevation but the NSX has over 80 I think. If you put on a rail that bottomed you at 100 you should be able to make 1200 without holdovers with anything that will remain SS that far out. You should be fine with an NP-2DD in an NSX.
Just looking at JBM numbers a 185 Berger LRBT running at 2650 (long tube to get that) will still be SS at 1200 and only needs 43.1 from a 100 yd zero.
memilanuk, have you looked at the NXS versions and not just the BRs? The BR only has 50MOA total elevation but the NSX has over 80 I think. If you put on a rail that bottomed you at 100 you should be able to make 1200 without holdovers with anything that will remain SS that far out. You should be fine with an NP-2DD in an NSX.
Just looking at JBM numbers a 185 Berger LRBT running at 2650 (long tube to get that) will still be SS at 1200 and only needs 43.1 from a 100 yd zero.
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I have an NXS 12-42x56mm that we ordered special for the 2009 FCWC with 1/8 moa elev clicks, 1/4 moa windage clicks and a 2DD reticle - so I have a couple years trigger time behind one. It'll probably get an R1 reticle next time I have the time and money to send it in for a change.
And no, they don't have 80 moa of elevation, they have about 45 according to the web site. Reality is somewhat closer to 41-42 if your windage isn't absolutely centered mechanically. The 12-42x NXS gives up a fuzz of windage (35 moa per their web site) for the extra elevation, as opposed to the BR which has about 40 elev / 40 windage. Most of my guns have at least 20 moa rails; my primary F/TR gun for the last four years has a 30 moa Farrell on it - plus Burris Sig Zee rings, to help make *sure* I'm centered for windage to maximize my elevation.
While I do like being able to put that little pip right on where I'm aiming, under poor visibility conditions where there just isn't much identifiable inside the 9 ring... I find I'm generally better off with something I can either quarter the fuzzy blob that is the aiming black, or else bracket the frame if its really bad.
I have an NXS 12-42x56mm that we ordered special for the 2009 FCWC with 1/8 moa elev clicks, 1/4 moa windage clicks and a 2DD reticle - so I have a couple years trigger time behind one. It'll probably get an R1 reticle next time I have the time and money to send it in for a change.
And no, they don't have 80 moa of elevation, they have about 45 according to the web site. Reality is somewhat closer to 41-42 if your windage isn't absolutely centered mechanically. The 12-42x NXS gives up a fuzz of windage (35 moa per their web site) for the extra elevation, as opposed to the BR which has about 40 elev / 40 windage. Most of my guns have at least 20 moa rails; my primary F/TR gun for the last four years has a 30 moa Farrell on it - plus Burris Sig Zee rings, to help make *sure* I'm centered for windage to maximize my elevation.
While I do like being able to put that little pip right on where I'm aiming, under poor visibility conditions where there just isn't much identifiable inside the 9 ring... I find I'm generally better off with something I can either quarter the fuzzy blob that is the aiming black, or else bracket the frame if its really bad.
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Hmm, not sure why I thought the NSX had so much more elevation, or why I forgot what my BR has for that matter as I went through the calculations and ended up with a 30 MOA rail on my BR to reach 1000 (my erector was centered at 18MOA off of the bottom at 100 on a 20MOA rail).
I really thought the NSX versions had more than 45MOA elevation, 1200 would be challenging.
Hmm, not sure why I thought the NSX had so much more elevation, or why I forgot what my BR has for that matter as I went through the calculations and ended up with a 30 MOA rail on my BR to reach 1000 (my erector was centered at 18MOA off of the bottom at 100 on a 20MOA rail).
I really thought the NSX versions had more than 45MOA elevation, 1200 would be challenging.
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Just a guess... maybe you were thinking of the NXS 5.5-22? Those have more like 80-90 moa elev depending on the individual specimen.
Just a guess... maybe you were thinking of the NXS 5.5-22? Those have more like 80-90 moa elev depending on the individual specimen.
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I like and use an eighth minute dot on my F-Class gun. I use the Leupy 45x45 comp with a 20 minute base. I know some guys complain about mirage with this magnification but I try to use it to my advantage when judging the breeze.
I like and use an eighth minute dot on my F-Class gun. I use the Leupy 45x45 comp with a 20 minute base. I know some guys complain about mirage with this magnification but I try to use it to my advantage when judging the breeze.
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fine crosshair for me or the IOR MP8, you can use the lines on it to square the target frame in the reticule.
fine crosshair for me or the IOR MP8, you can use the lines on it to square the target frame in the reticule.
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I us my custom US Optics reticle (MDMOA as a based), but see lots of Nightforce NP-R1s and NP-R2s on the line t my range.
JeffVN
I us my custom US Optics reticle (MDMOA as a based), but see lots of Nightforce NP-R1s and NP-R2s on the line t my range.
JeffVN
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